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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by xuenchen
I believe BH has it correct...that they have already have arressted them for something else and then they can check their status.
IF they decide to do it at a traffic stop...the law does not give them the ability to detain them even if they find they are here illegally...from what I understand by reading it.
I know the law and so doe Arizona. Their claim is that the federal government is not enforcing it. I know you just hate republicans and republican states and your having some circle jerk at your house because these got overturned but how about if you get upset because the federal government wont do anything to enforce their laws. Dont you think it is pretty stupid to have laws but then go to court to make sure no one can enforce them? Thats what just happened here. The federal government just said that Arizona cannot enforce the law that the federal government refuses to enforce themselves. Who exactly wasted resources? I guess if your a radical liberal Arizona did. If you are the average joe citizen the federal government did.
Why not? If I get pulled over they ask me for a license and registration. I have no problem providing that. So if they stop an illegal and ask for license and registration is that illegal? And if they dont have those then what? They have to let them go because they were not arrested? Do you see how grey and fuzzy this mess just got?
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by TheTardis
I know the law and so doe Arizona. Their claim is that the federal government is not enforcing it. I know you just hate republicans and republican states and your having some circle jerk at your house because these got overturned but how about if you get upset because the federal government wont do anything to enforce their laws. Dont you think it is pretty stupid to have laws but then go to court to make sure no one can enforce them? Thats what just happened here. The federal government just said that Arizona cannot enforce the law that the federal government refuses to enforce themselves. Who exactly wasted resources? I guess if your a radical liberal Arizona did. If you are the average joe citizen the federal government did.
Who isn't enforcing the law???
Deportations are up under Obama
The Obama administration increased the deportation of illegal immigrants convicted of crimes by 70 percent.
www.politifact.com...
Deportation of illegal immigrants increases under Obama administration
www.washingtonpost.com...
So what law is the Federal Government not enforcing???
Immigration is a Federal issue...not a State issue.
It is the job of the Federal Government to protect the Freedoms of US citizens...and this law posed a direct threat due to the potential of racial profiling and harrasement.
The State of Arizona just wasted resources, time, and effort because they knew what they were doing was against Federal law and would not stand.
And how much of an increase is there in those crossing the border illegally. The point is why what harm can there be in Arizona helping enforce the laws that are already in place? Why does the federal government feel so threatened by this? Is it because they want to pick and choose which ones to send back? And I can tell you around here I dont see any action to send back illegals. But I would venture a guess that deportations are up that much because people crossing the border are up by that much or more. But as usual nothing is going to convince you because your president is never wrong and he walks on water and craps golden eggs.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by TheTardis
And how much of an increase is there in those crossing the border illegally. The point is why what harm can there be in Arizona helping enforce the laws that are already in place? Why does the federal government feel so threatened by this? Is it because they want to pick and choose which ones to send back? And I can tell you around here I dont see any action to send back illegals. But I would venture a guess that deportations are up that much because people crossing the border are up by that much or more. But as usual nothing is going to convince you because your president is never wrong and he walks on water and craps golden eggs.
You can convince me if you come with facts instead of assumptions based on your personal observations.
OH...and btw...Obama has increased the number of border agents and has added UAV drones to patrol the border.
www.politifact.com...
www.nytimes.com...
But you are right...Obama isn't doing anything to stop people from crossing the border
It would be nice for you to get your facts straight...maybe stop listening to right wing talk shows for your facts would help.
Just because he is deporting 70% more doesnt mean these lax policies and lack of action isnt allowing 80% more to cross than before. So saying you are deporting 70% more just tells me that 10% more are staying.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by TheTardis
Just don't expect people to take you seriously.
You are absolutely correct, and yet the Federal government is NOT upholding it's own immigration laws.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by TheTardis
Just because he is deporting 70% more doesnt mean these lax policies and lack of action isnt allowing 80% more to cross than before. So saying you are deporting 70% more just tells me that 10% more are staying.
If you want to completely make up numbers like you just did...sure...you can say whatever you want.
Just don't expect people to take you seriously.
Originally posted by hellbjorn012
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
Really? Well it is a observable fact sorry you do not like it but there it is for all to see. More people staring his post means more people taking him seriously within this thread. Facts bro, factsedit on 25-6-2012 by hellbjorn012 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Doom and Gloom
You are absolutely correct, and yet the Federal government is NOT upholding it's own immigration laws.
I'll ask you the same question I asked TheTardis (which he couldn't answer).
What Immigration law is the Federal Government not upholding???
The nine bodies dangling from the overpass were bloody, some were blindfolded, and, according to authorities, they bore signs of torture. The victims carried no identification but appeared to be between 25 and 30 years old, the state prosecutor's office said.
I'm sure the response would be "well that didn't happen in Arizona". Well, how about we don't let it get to that point. I just don't think people put themselves in the shoes of some of these representatives. The day a story like this breaks in Arizona those representatives and LEO's will be the first to be blamed.
Also Friday in Nuevo Laredo, 14 headless bodies were found in black garbage bags in a truck parked outside a government customs building, authorities said. The heads were later found in three ice chests near City Hall. All of these dead were men, also between the ages of 25 and 30. Similarly, a little more than two weeks ago, 14 other dismembered bodies were found near City Hall.
Any Maricopa County deputy can arrest an Illegal, on the provision of trespassing. They have been using this for years, and rightfully so.