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Why it's Harder to be Republican:

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posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 09:18 AM
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It's easier to be Democrat; it's harder to be Republican.

In the realm of politics Democrats have sort of the easy road. They know where they stand, they know who to go to for money, they know who will vote for them two years before any election in the country! Some fellow republicans and especially black republicans have called the Democratic Party a Plantation of sorts, and I don't think that's stretching the truth at all. For to be republican means to be free thinkers, to be independent, and to enjoy success and capitalism at it’s finest!

However, that's what's difficult about the Republican Party in the first place. WITHIN the Republican Party you have different sects of republicans who believe in different ideas of running the country. In the Democratic Party they all pretty much have the same ideas.

For example, in this year’s primary race, one time Presidential contender Tim Pawlenty apologized for his own heresy, “everybody in the race, at least the big names in the race, embraced climate change or cap-and-trade at one point or another, every one of us." Now, it’s no secret that we in the republican base hate the words Global Warming, because we were never allowed to question its authenticity. So, does that make everyone in the Republican Party a traitor? No, it just means they were doing what any politician does. Working with the opposite side to get something done…

Coming off the amazing energy of President Barack Obama’s campaign in 2008 whereas something of 80% of the country liked his different message, booming voice, and promise of hope and change, no respectable Republican wanted to dare become another John McCain and face him in November.

The Primary process soon got under way and we saw different faces emerge. NeoCons like Newt Gingrich, Social Conservatives like Michelle Bachman and Herman Cain. Never before had the Republican Party saw a black man and a woman in the same race! However, nobody bothered to comment on that momentous occasion. The diversity of the Republican Party was never realized by the MSM. Later we saw the Libertarians like Ron Paul and Gary Johnson, Evangelicals like Tim Pawlenty and the successful Rick Santorum Surge. You also saw typical Billionaires like Jon Huntsman and Rick Perry trying to get their messages out there. Then, the most unlikely candidate beat them all, 2008 Presidential Candidate and Former Governor of Massachusetts Willard Mitt Romney.

From his own base Mitt Romney has been deemed a liberal unworthy of the bases support. Social conservatives wrote him off as they kept on trying to find a rising star in the names listed above. But as each one soon dropped out and fellow GOP elites kept telling the base, that Mitt Romney was the man the party was backing, a stark reality soon emerged for most members of the Republican Party that didn’t have their heads in the sand. Mitt Romney was going to be the main man!

They questioned the GOP. Really Mitt Romney? He was a liberal wasn’t he? He did that Health Care thing didn’t he? He lost to John McCain didn’t he? McCain was more conservative, and tougher on actual republican views than Romney. McCain was tougher on war, foreign affairs and of all else immigration! However, John McCain didn’t run in 2012. No other republican, was John McCain in 2012. Mitt Romney never really had a challenger! Rick Santorum, loved his family too much to go all in, disappearing from the campaign trail every time his daughter got sick. Rick Perry made too many mistakes. Herman Cain was black and rumors of an affair destroyed his campaign. Michelle Bachman was portrayed as too much like Sarah Palin. Ron Paul will never sacrifice his morals and stances to work with the Republican Party and appeal to the majority of the base. Jon Huntsman and Tim Pawleny never made it past Round one and Newt Gingrich was all over the place.

My point to making this thread is that it is nearly impossible to get the entire Republican Party to like you if you decide to run for something. We are too broad. We are too diverse! Despite what lies the democrats would like to claim, the Republican Party, the GOP is the MOST diverse Party the United States has. If you decide to run for office, and your record is not picture perfect along party lines, people in your own party will start to question you. But, other than Jesus Christ himself, who actually had some interesting socialist ideas, how could one ever become the picture perfect republican when in 1976 Gerald Ford and not Ronald Reagan was the republican choice? This to me proves that what the GOP needs is like the Democratic Party had with Obama in 2008 an actor! Mitt Romney’s flip flops however, many there may be seems like the logical choice. Mitt Romney can change his opinion based on the type of people he is talking to. He can make sweeping promises to just about anybody to win votes. He doesn’t need to prove himself, he doesn’t need a conservative record, and he doesn’t need to tell the truth. When was the last time you saw a Presidential candidate keep all their promises once elected?

What is a conservative record? What does it mean that they prove themselves to be a real republican? These republican talking points are all pretty scary to someone who isn’t a politician. But anybody in politics knows all it takes is the strongest message and the right backers to win an election! Anybody can register as a Republican and vote Republican. Some democrats do it just to mess with the system. In the Democratic Party, they are just happy to have you along for the ride and will find ways to stretch the truth for you for all eternity! They may even cover up your entire past with classified documents


Forget the picture that the Democratic Party in charge of the media has portrayed the Republican Party as a group of first class Wall Street and oil billionaires sitting in a room playing poker and making deals. Forget about the false claims of racism and not caring about the common man. Forget about how portions of the Republican Party are claiming that Mitt Romney bought the election, or that somehow he was chosen before the process. This is why it's harder to be a Republican. But the media doesn't help at all!

I hate to break it to you but that is the way it is. You want to save the world. Go join the peace corps or start a charity. Politics is for lawmakers and deal makers. Politics is for actors and flip floppers. Politics is corruption and broken campaign promises. That is the stark reality people!
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posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 09:26 AM
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both party's
are the same party

there is no difference




just try being a human being
lets start there 1st


"why its harder not to be colluded into behaving like sheep"



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 09:33 AM
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It's harder to just be, period, regardless of political affiliation.

How do I have it easier?

I'm deaf, I'm a minority of sorts (NA) and I'm poor.

Oh, and I vote Democrat.

But you know what? Democrat or Republican, neither party cares nor understands the plight of the common American.

If anything, if I'm going by your definitions, it's much, much easier to be a Republican, especially if you're already rich and white.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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Your never going to make the social conservatives happy. Even if you have a candidate that is willing to turn the country into a theocracy, some groups will complain that he isn't a member of the correct church and therefore not a real Christian. Even worse would be if the candidate is not a member of the correct church and is caught using the new NIV Bible.

Overall, I think the majority of Republicans support Romney.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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Um no it isn't really harder to be a Republican in the GOP of today (and note I am saying the party of today, once upon a time you could actually have conversations with them). All one needs to do is throw out any rational reasoning skills, cease all attempts at compromise while swearing on the bible that they are good Christians and will gleefully bomb Iran.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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Mcain was the *rebel* he was the biggest back stabber the GOP has seen since ford!!!

That guys daughter is the cesspool of love sponges!!!

No one was beating Obama in 08, but the GOP could of done better..!!



THIS time around Obama is going down!! On more then his wife



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 10:09 AM
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Does it really matter?

We're all #ed regardless.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by KeliOnyx
Um no it isn't really harder to be a Republican in the GOP of today (and note I am saying the party of today, once upon a time you could actually have conversations with them). All one needs to do is throw out any rational reasoning skills, cease all attempts at compromise while swearing on the bible that they are good Christians and will gleefully bomb Iran.


Wow. Way to Generalize. So were all bible thumping war mongers? Way to stereotype. And you say we cant have a rational conversation? Do you realize how much of a hypocrite this post makes you look? I will support Bombing Iran if it is necessary but not for no reason and I dont go to church unless it is a holiday and my Grandma expects me and the family to show up. I believe in what I can see and hear and feel. I believe your president has bombed and killed plenty so get off it now. Come up with a better put down.
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posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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Its the extremes of both parties that are the issue.

They tend to be the most vocal by far and have a tendency to throw a hissy fit, stop their feet, take their toys (votes) away and just go home if a playmate ( candidate) doesn't do or say exactly what they want when they want it.

They are like spoiled, stubborn children who will not share, or compromise no matter what the cost and will often refuse to play and throw a tantrum if everything doesn't go their way.

On the far left it would be groups like move on, etc. On the far right its groups like the evangelicals, etc.

The problem is the bulk of the US population lies in the middle of these two extremes and tends to view both sides as "out there". The extremes on both sides tend to back candidates that the middle simply will not support.

In the latest example that means you get people like Michelle Bachman who is a darling of one group but is seen as far too extreme my most in the middle.

On the other side of the coin, Obama is naturally too left for most on the right.. but he isn't far enough left for the extreme left to be happy with him either.

I guess the bottom line is that on either side the left and right wings nuts are going to make lots of noise and back people that are largely (thankfully) un-electable.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by The Sword
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Does it really matter?

We're all #ed regardless.


=( Your right!!

The choice though is, which *snip* we get


Mod Edit: Censor circumvention removed.
edit on 6/25/2012 by seagull because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 10:14 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

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Why is it harder to be a Republican?

Cause there aren't any Republicans anymore? They've been hijacked by a far far right wing group who claim to be Conservatives but are actually just cleverly dressed up liberals? Who show no Conservative values at all outside of economics and even then it's a pretty fine line?

Not that the Democrats are any better, considering everybody in politics works for the same people. But the GOP has it harder now, cause they have to convince everybody, that they are the same party, when clearly they are not.

So you're right, but not for the right reasons.

~Tenth

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 10:15 AM
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How can it be harder when both are the same behind the curtains? Both parties represent different sets of corporations that is all.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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For to be republican means to be free thinkers, to be independent, and to enjoy success and capitalism at it’s finest!
...
My point to making this thread is that it is nearly impossible to get the entire Republican Party to like you if you decide to run for something. We are too broad. We are too diverse!


You are contradicting yourself here.

Free Thinkers and Independents don't just support someone because they are declared the nominee for the party. They don't abandon their ideals just because their guy lost and will now just support someone they don't agree with. That isn't a free thinker...that is a follower.

I don't like Ron Paul's policies...but it is laughable what you are trying to argue...you have more accurately described Ron Paul supporters rather than Republicans. They will stick to their ideals...they won't fall in line and just support someone because of the (R) next to their name.


I think it is hilarious how you totally contradicted yourself...and you don't even realize it.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77
to be republican means to be free thinkers, to be independent,


Only had to read that far... the current Republican party is as far from a group of independent, free thinkers as it is possible to get.

The Republican hierarchy is fully in control, and whatever they say, the drones get into step. This can be observed by noticing how the exact same whizzy phrase of the day gets used by every single Republican commentator, starting at the same time, used in the same way and ending at the same time.

Or by just talking to on-the-street Republicans... and noting how many of them at least say they believe Obama (for example) is a Socialist, Muslim or Kenyan. None of which he is, none of which has any credible evidence to support, but the Republican Machine said so, so that's what Republicans believe.

It is too bad that Republicans aren't more independent, free thinkers, maybe more of them would reject the extremeism being pushed by the hierarchy. Sadly, they in general are not independent free thinkers at ALL.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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Free Thinkers and Independents don't just support someone because they are declared the nominee for the party. They don't abandon their ideals just because their guy lost and will now just support someone they don't agree with. That isn't a free thinker...that is a follower.


You didn't understand my point. My point wasn't about sticking to principle...Most of the country is centered and they will fall in line or vote for whoever seems to be winning within their own party. That person just needs to get enough of the country excited about them. Obama was a no brainer in 2008. This time it will be really really close and I'm sure Obama's people will try another Al Gore thing.... Saying Romney bought the election or something.

It may be a follower, but as is following any candidate for President, including and especially democrat ones! Most of the republican party didn't even follow the primary...
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posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 02:51 PM
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It's hard to be republican..it's true...


I mean it must be hard to come up with new ways to let your racist viewpoints not sound racist at all.

I mean...since blacks got some power now..they have turned their attention to the Mexicans..but there still are those conservatives who try to vilify the blacks...hell any color other than white.

Ahhh..the hardships of the republicans...how do you get through life?...



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 02:56 PM
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Ahhh..the hardships of the republicans...how do you get through life?...


By blaming teachers, SS and social safety nets while benefiting from corporate subsidies, and tax breaks under the guise of creating jobs. Sounds good in theory, but so does pure communism.

In practice neither works well for the public in the long run.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 02:57 PM
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...So, it is easier to be amongst wealthy stupid people than be amongst poor stupid people?



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by kerazeesicko

I mean it must be hard to come up with new ways to let your racist viewpoints not sound racist at all.


See how easy it is to be democrat, you can blame it all on race!!!!!!
But if a republican even utters the word black...Watch OUT!



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