Great Warning was cancelled, brace for the Chastisement

reply to post by 2012newstart



Isaiah 2:21-22
"They will flee to caverns in the rocks and to the overhanging crags from the fearful presence of the Lord and the splendor of his majesty, when he rises to shake the earth. Stop trusting in mere humans, who have but a breath in their nostrils. Why hold them in esteem?"


I think the only "rescue" will be completely giving self over to the Sacred Heart.

WW3 nearly started in Mideast. The rapture should be before the full scale WW3, both according to Bible scholars and according to Bayside apparitions (however controversial, they speak of a rapture beforehand).

IMO the rapture will be technically performed with the use of spaceships, since no one is resurrected/transformed before the Second Coming of Jesus, and the Second Coming is not happening at the time of the Rapture.

For those who still doubt that God's angels use technical devices, please read Ezekiel 1
"15 Now as I looked at the living creatures, behold, a wheel was on the earth beside each living creature with its four faces. 16 The appearance of the wheels and their workings was like the color of beryl, and all four had the same likeness. The appearance of their workings was, as it were, a wheel in the middle of a wheel. 17 When they moved, they went toward any one of four directions; they did not turn aside when they went. 18 As for their rims, they were so high they were awesome; and their rims were full of eyes, all around the four of them. 19 When the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up. 20 Wherever the spirit wanted to go, they went, because there the spirit went; and the wheels were lifted together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures[c] was in the wheels. 21 When those went, these went; when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures[d] was in the wheels."
read the entire chapter www.biblegateway.com...

Here is a very good analysis of the Bible texts speaking of extraterrestrial angels, and also found in the book of Daniel for the end times' drama, where both the antichrist and his oponents will utilize extraterrestrial power. Let me notice I think this will happen in much longer period of time, as explained in my other thread. But this is an exellent review and you will miss a lot if you do not consider all those Bible texts together, that speak of angelic extraterrestrials, having also technical devices (or spaceships).

"Will Rapture of the Church be a Mass Alien Abduction" jmilor.startlogic.com...

The fanaticism works against the poor believers who are denied truths very well known to the leaders. This ultimately will result in a massive left behind among the staunchest believers, who will simply die from the next events. And will have to wait the resurrection at the Second Coming as spirits. They will miss the chance to build up God's kingdom beyond this planet, (as mandated by Jesus in Mark 16 in Greek: "cosmos"). Because of their narrow mind and chosen position that prevents further action of God in their lives in bodies. Except for a devote peaceful and holy death in the Lord, that surely they are ready for. But that is not the end of the world, and they will not participate in the next thousands of generations to come. I am sorry but someone must say the things as they are, even if he is ridiculed. The prophets were too. And I am surprised that there are so few people literate in extraterrestrial phenomenon, or those who could just listen to what Vatican officials talk about, as Mgr Balducci and Fr Funes, both available on youtube. You guys miss the opportunity of your lives, for you and for the generations after you, Good there are a few believers (as Noah) who will be saved physically and will continue the Church beyond the Earth's doom, as mandated by Jesus Christ Himself, to the ends of the universe. I am sure many say that will happen only after the Second Coming in the Millennium. We DON'T KNOW. We may expect the Second Coming another 2000 years. Should we all die then, and leave God's promises unfulfilled? Someone wants exacty that. Don't you see his agenda?

When they talk about the Jews fighting against the antichrist, it is important to note that there were seven tribes of Israel. Do you think the only tribe is the present day Jews? People got to open their eyes a little and read what the bible is really saying. The seven tribes they refer to are probably all the people of the world. The bible was written from the Jewish peoples perspective, they were part of one tribe or race. I think there were seven races of humans/humanoids on the world long ago, not just the four races we consider now. Who knows how long the information of the bible was passed on from generation to generation before it was written down. Most people those days did not know how to read or write.

I hope that pope Benedict will lead the church beyond the planet Earth. Or his successor. If this somehow doesn't happen (let say the pope is killed in a nuclear blast in Rome and there is no other pope elected). I hope there will be bishops inside the raptured people. Including bishops from sister churches from the East who have equally valid apostolic succession. So when the Chastisement comes and destroys all life on Earth, those saved beforehand will bring the holy sacraments and the church itself together with her survived people, to othe rplanets. Including devotions like the Sacred Heart and Immaculate Heart of Mary. Did God create only this planet? Will He allow everything to happen in the coming end by fire? (ref. 2 Peter). Instead, we are promised a new earth. This is not necessarily the event of the last judgment. Between there could be the era of peace, including on a restored planet Earth after thousands years. I develop that idea in another thread. I DO NOT KNOW THE REAL PICTURE, only give suggestions. But to allow everything God did on Earth to simply die in nuclear fire, or in a solar flare caused by any cosmic source (tel me the difference), this is not promised. Instead Peter talks of fire that we will be taken out of it. He doesn't talk of Second Coming of Jesus here, but that we go there to a new earth where righteousness dwells...Just think about the first pope! Thanks God there are thinking people in the church today, as the ones I already mentioned.

Where is the Marian movement of priests and Don Gobi's eschatology (call it as you like). Won't they too move beyond the earth? Don Gobi speaks of an Eucharistic reign or millennium. I.e. he envisions many more years before the Second Coming of Jesus visible in glory. Not just several more decades. There could be Thousands or even more years. The extraterrestrial contact is inevitable during that time. it already happens, their existence is undeniable, tries to convince the people the late Monsignor Balducci, chief papal astronomer (see youtube interview). He is the one who posted the Neues Europa Fatima text in Osservatore Romano. For him it is obvious, but not for the most faithful. They will stay to die, millions from one moment to another, as Our Lady predicts in her loving motherly care. Hope there are those who will continue the way and mission. Not only ignorant people who wil of course choose the rescue if given to them. But also devote people who will be capable of teaching the other saved the basics of the Christian faith. The saved ones won't be only Christians. We may not like the fact, but there might be more Buddhists and others saved, if the Christians deny the rescue prepared by God. Well, the Revelation talks of 144,000. While I do not think this is that, it is shown in history that even much smaller number of people works in God's plan (8 in Noah's ark).

I see and feel tendencies of someone (groups) hidden within the church(es) that would like to have more people sacrificed than helped out of the doom. No matter if the doom is a total nuclear war, or has a space-based origin. Be aware of the wolves in sheep clothing! They are able to use microwave technology and to beam images and voice into the brains of so many seers, who contradict each other and basics of the Gospel. You have been warned! The ecclesiastical masonry is a fact that few common believers understand. P-2 masonic lounge is just one of the many examples how it works. May JPII pray for us from heaven, because he battled that evil that ruins inside the church.

Originally posted by 2012newstart
WW3 nearly started in Mideast. The rapture should be before the full scale WW3, both according to Bible scholars and according to Bayside apparitions (however controversial, they speak of a rapture beforehand).

- There is no such thing as a rapture and it isn't in the bible.
- Like I said - the Catholic Church condemned Bayside saying it wasn't supernatural in origin.

Buck up. If you are here for the tribulation you won't be getting a 'get out of tribulation free' card. All through the centuries, Christians have suffered. Those living in the end times will have it no differently ... except perhaps they'll suffer even more.

Originally posted by 2012newstart
Where is the Marian movement of priests and Don Gobi's eschatology (call it as you like).

I met Father Gobbi back in the 90's. None of his 'prophecies' have come true. His movement probably died off as people and priests discovered the prophecies were false.

Originally posted by 2012newstart
May JPII pray for us from heaven, because he battled that evil that ruins inside the church.

edit on 16-11-2012 by 2012newstart because: (no reason given)

REALLY?? JPII battled that evil that "ruins" inside the church??

Do you know that it was under his strict orders that recognized pedophile and opiates addict father Marcial Maciel, who raped tens -if not hundreds- of seminarists, including his own unrecognized children, was not brought to justice under both secular and canonic law?

JPII provided a blanket of security for Maciel to keep abusing children and getting filthy rich. It must have been due to all the money that fr Maciel kept hoarding in for the church, stemming from the Legion of Christ's colleges.

To think that before JPII died and all of Maciel's crimes and depravity came to light, there was even talk of making him a saint!

These are the kind of things that drive people away from the church.

Prophecy of Ecstatic of Tours (19th century): "when everyone least expect it, the big event begins."

Maria Esperanza: "when you least expect it, Russia may act in a surprise way."

Mary Julia Jahenny??: "When the world will believe in security, I will come like a thief in the night."

Aiello: "when men least expect it, the course of Divine Justice will be accomplished."

Neus Europa: "This will be a time which neither king nor emperor, Cardinal nor bishop expects, but it will come, nevertheless, in accordance with My Father’s plan to punish and take vengeance."

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No I don't believe in 2012 for world war 3.
No I don't believe in the Essef date of 2012.
No I don't believe in the warning sign for Dec 21, 2012.

No I don't believe in prophecies claimed to have been received from aliens.


Yes I believe 2013 will be significant prophetically. No I don't want to convince people to believe in my thoughts about 2013 without knowing without a shred of doubt that God is absolutely finished with great reprieves.


No I do not think there is a 100% chance that God is done with permitting prophetic reprieves/delays within the next seven months.


No I don't think KNOWING the 3rd Secret will save people from the punishment of God. It would be pure fantasy to think it is about alien rescues. There is zero evidence that those prophecies pertain to alien rescues.


Yes I do believe the Pope and all the Bishops collectively can save the world with a consecration of Russia. But collectively the Bishops and even perhaps the Pope do not believe it enough.


Yes I believe the Arab nations will go to war against Israel.
Yes I believe the war in the Middle East would partly lead to the fulfilment of God's plan to punish the world according to the fulfilment of the prophecies of 1917.
No I do not believe the Middle East war is the true beginning of world war 3 (rather the Baltics).
No I don't believe in 2012 for world war 3.

No I don't believe Putin or Obama or China will launch nuclear attacks any time soon (Extremely absurdly unrealistic).
No I don't believe that Putin or Obama are willing to save Israel or Iran at the expense of nuclear war.
No I don't believe the "big events" that arrive unexpectedly and suddenly, foretold by the prophets pertain to a fast and sudden nuclear exchange-nuclear winter.
No I don't believe a nuclear bomb on an Arab nation would cause nuclear winter for the earth any more than the attack on Hiroshima in 1945.

first of all, good to hear Phantomfire back in discussion.
Especially if I am raptured, there will be less people in this forum and elsewhere to witness the truth a joke isn't it?

The rapture is Biblical, while the Great Warning is only based on apparitions that are not approved, unlike Fatima. Fatima itself does not speak of Great Warning. But let say they match in the part of the Chastisement.

The nature of the nuclear war requires preemptivenes when it comes to massive strike. Read Nyquist who has tons of negativism towards Russia but says some things that are true for all nuclear powers. To start a successful WW3 and to survive, even to win, a nation should prepare well in advance. ANd that prep in economy etc cannot go unnoticed for years. He has excellent articles in WND.com, don't know if they are still online. Search for VRYAN. His latest works in his own website are less impressive though.

Read also Lunev's testimony before US congress and later interviews.

I don't believe any interpretation no matter how big "apparition specialists" speak, only feel we are put in a too big delusion to know the true exit way. Still, it may not be the great delusion of the antichrist.

As of nuclear winter, reportedly it could be made by 100mt be it a single bomb or multiple smaller ones, aywhere on the surface (i.e. Russia can explode them in Siberia and we all got it around the planet, or India, or Israel). Nobody says how many mt are necessary for the continental-wide nuclear tornado (Rand McNally) or for ignition of atmospheric N2 in fusion chain reaction, feared by Oppenheimer's colleagues at the time of the first bomb. Today's warheads with average 200-550kt are nowhere near to Hiroshima. The essence of the reaction is different ways beyond in temperature and pressure, therefore the fireball not only destroys as in Hiroshima, but burns and makes parts of the fireball the buildings within certain range. We just don't study these things that are known for decades. this stuff is now freely available online.

And what is unknown to us, we can guess.
Well, when I see a pyramid over Kremlin, shown on each major Russian TV channel, and then in China million-wide city in broad daylight, not restricted to be upload on Chinese video hosts and then to be copied to youtube, that means something big is there and they are willing to show it now. We are talking of weapons way beyond our imagination. The thing we don't know - is who is behind them. Who are the bad guys. Because Russia converts, yes? So the big bad guy is someone else. I don't say it is America. America doesn't exist in the End Times prophecy, while now it is N1 superpower. Much water will pass between now and then.
Let break with taboos imposed on us in the Middle ages that were not a part of the early church. The earth is not only round, and does not only rotate around the sun (denied by the catholic church in Galileo time, with quite brute methods for those who did not enjoy papal friendship as Galileo did). The earth rotates in the galaxy as well, together with the sun. I don't have to convince anyone who haven't read his astronomy textbook and doesn't want to move beyond a level of knowledge inherited by centuries that proved to be wrong. The Sunday mass preachers won't tell that either.
Read Genesis 6.

By the way, where are consecrated all Sunday mass hosts? Did you see them present on the altar during consecration? Or on Saturdays? If this is true - that most Sunday hosts are not consecrated and distributed to mass people (who outside USA do not drink the Holy Blood either), that is a quite big crime only step from the total cease of the Eucharist. We know where it leads - to the False prophet. So when I am talking of ecclesiastical masonry that shaped 20th century, I am talking of that, and I am pro-pope, not anti-pope! Let it be crystal clear. It might turn at the end of the day, the Russian Orthodox liturgy is valid, while some of the Western ones are not. Under the Western I understand not only Catholic, but also let say Anglican and US episcopal church who have practices way beyond the apostolic tradition. SO who needs conversion? You will say: Russia. OK Russia converted, and glorifies God in authentic way. Some in the West, incl in the Cath. church do not want to hear of conversion, and stamp medieval brands upon everything that flies. Too bad! Perhaps "the thief cries: catch the thief" I also wonder the particular state and diocese where the false prophet will rise according to La Salette- a catholic bishop. Not orthodox.

Originally posted by auraelium
reply to post by 2012newstart

 

So God is gona destroy the entire planet, 7 Billion odd people....because 14 million Jews wont convert to christianity?

Hmmmm..........

What?

Are you crazy?

He's gonna do it because Honey Boo Boo is a TV SHOW.

She's the fifth horseman.

www.youtube.com...
Russian patriarch Easter mass, RT comments on the ancient rite.

Have you seen the same on the Western MSM? Can't you make the difference how far Russia went on the way to God? What more does the Western clergy want? Russia to disband its church established by St Andrew, and to kneel in the dust? Damn it! Russia has never been ordained by any bishop of Rome, but leads its ordination from St Andrew the apostle, going thru Byzantium. If you don't know that you know nothing. I would rather accept Fatima is grossly falsified, than to deny the apostolic succession that Russian orthodox church (and other churches) do indeed have! If needed, they will be the ones to baptize the galaxy, and not Rome! God ony knows in His unfathomed providence for the future.

Having said these things, I will develop further: the church will survive the chastisement within its saved members, not within the ones who will perish in body (who will join the church in heaven). I.e. for a visible church to continue, there should be a minimal number of people to survive physically the chastisement, and to be adequately active fit for living functions (not half-dead in caves). otherwise, Jesus' biggest establishment on earth that is the church will fail for lack of living members.

Moreover, the question of which tradition, rite and apostolic succession will survive post Chastisement era, will come on the table rather fast, after the immediate aftermath of the disaster. If we assume that the pope will suffer martyrdom in Rome, as predicted by a number of prophecies (without entering detais here - Rome may be washed by the tsunami or nuked or otherwise). Does it mean single catholic bishops will continue the apostolic succession of Peter in the rescued people beyond planet Earth? For that purpose they have to accept it, for themselves and for all who would benefit from it in this and future generations.

If that doesn't happen (although I would like to see the Roman church beyond Earth as leader among sister churches). What are the other options? There are a number of apostolic successions in the world today. Wikipedia has the entire list. Byzantium (Greek) - Russian - other orthodox churches are one of the apostolic lines coming from St Andrew. Another one is the Antioch church that is established by St Peter too, while he was residing in Antioch before Rome. (several churches today claim to be descendants of that succession). Another one is the Armenian apostolic church, established by St Simon and Jude.

The Coptic church in Egypt comes down from St Marc who is the first bishop of Alexandria and martyred there. Marc was a disciple of Peter. Pope Paul VI returned the body relics of St Marc to today's Coptic church in Cairo. Recently, the Coptic church elected their new leader, called papa or baba in Arabic, using the ancient method of casting a lot.

There are more churches with apostolic succession, including the Ethiopian of St Bartolomew, the Syro-Malabar and Syro-Malancar of St Thomas, and others. They all keep preserved authentic Sacraments and divine liturgy.

It may happen one or more of them, thru their member bishops and faithful, to be among the saved people in the unique rescue from Earth that is coming just before the Chastisement. (you may call it rapture for technical reasons, although I do not think this is the end times rapture, but I might be wrong of course). They will have the noble task to continue Jesus' Church beyond the limited borders of this planet, into the galaxy and even the Universe. Needless to say, that whichever church moves thru that tresshold, will not simply continue to serve the survived God's people on another planet. It(they) will continue Christ's mandate given before the Ascension. They will gain enormous prestige to add new members of God's family among the extraterrestrials. Among the variety of ET, according to many accounts, there are races indistinguishable from ours. (human ET). While others are "humanoids". I wil not discuss this in length. It is a fact.

Enoch is not on Earth, so is Elijah, and they both were taken with bodies, Elijah described with technical device and not an angel with wings. We do not know where, but we know it can't be "heaven" because they were not resurrected. It should be another planet. Whether the human ET are descendants from them (assuming also women present), or whether the connection with the "human ET" is farther in history and never recorded on Earth, we don't know. We will learn that there.

For now, we have for a fact their presence here on Earth (pls see 2001 ET disclosure press conference in Washington DC on youtube). So the churches who make it thru the Chastisement (be it nuclear holocaust or asteroid) will have that noble mission to bring the Gospel and Baptismal water to the ends of the world, universe, or cosmos (read in Greek Mark 16 where the word cosmos is used).

To deny that even as hypothetical possibility, is to deny the survival not only of the human race, but also of the Church of Jesus Christ established after His Resurrection on Pentecost. We know the church will not fail. "The gates of hell will not prevail over it". Even if Rome is destroyed, along with the rest of the earth. BTW Jesus never ordered Peter to settle in Rome, and to stay in Rome alone. This is a historical development, and in no way a commandment of Our Lord Jesus Christ. The history as we know it, the culture as we know it, come to an end with the Chastisement. Blessed are those who will be worthy to live in the era after it, the era of peace.
And please do not mess them with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, for which event not even the angels know, nor the Son, but only the Father - says Jesus Himself.

Timelines
There are scientists who believe different timelines are possible. Theoretically, change of time coordinate is possible according to Einstein, and that happens around Black holes or inside wormholes. It happens also in CERN. But from there to the statement there are different historic timelines, there is a long way to go. Leading scientists disagree on the topic. I will name a few, for your further study: Caltech professor Kip Thorne, Stephen Hawking (mostly denying, recently accepted it could be possible for highly advanced ET- See into the Universe), Dr Michio Kaku, Dr Anderson of Anderson institute of time control research. There are others.

What is the meaning in our case? Is it possible to start a new timeline to avoid the 2012 doom, or Chastisement, and to bring the earth or part of it to another space-time where that catastrophic event doesn't happen? If that is theoretically possible, as some scientists say, why not to be experimentally done with the hope the earth won't have any disaster this or another year? So are they doing THAT in CERN? I don't know.

However, if the time component is not future but past, as in the theories of black and wormhole, that practically would mean the earth would move to a previous past position in time and space. I don't know if that is possible, and wil not repeat it again and again, that I present someone's else views, and not mine. Because they are quite important to be just skipped as nonsense. There are math formulas who allow that in theory. And I strongly advice anyone who reads, to make the personal effort to learn about hyperdimensional physics as written by scientists. You can start with Kip Thorne's "Black holes and time wraps" - an easily readable and interesting book for 5-10$. You will learn the basics to allow you making further conclusions of the unknown, that we wil very soon trespass into it.

If that hypothetical experiment is back in time, then hopefully not back in history. I hope as Steven Hawking that there is yet undiscovered physical law to forbid what now seems is theoretically possible from equations, namely to go back in the past (of history). Because today's known laws do not forbid it.

How about the pre-historic past? This is another big question. If the earth could be reverted back into the Jurrassic era (it was a good movie isn't it) then between that time and the historic time there are one or more extinction leve events. One or more asteroids, that wipe out most of the life. They probably would disconnect also the causality effect, or butterfly effect. So changes in the Jurassic era due to a mass immigration of humans, would not affect the history the way we know it.

It is much simpler to say CERN is a gigantic stargate to another earth-like planet. But the above is at least a possible hypothesis that should not be taken lightly. The next question that will arise, is who might have an interest to bring great number of humans (if not the whole planet) into a distant past to start it all over there, among dinosaurs? (just an example, another time-space might be chosen). Think about that. Perhaps there are secret groups who want not only that, but also to change history - if they believe it is doable. I don't believe for now, because there is no material evidence, only mathematical proof and witnesses who contradict each other. I post that only to widen your perspective at the time you have to take decisions for you and for others. I don't try to convince anyone, moreover the above is discussable among leading scientists. I think you make that difference, and stop shooting at the messenger, rather finally tell him either a warm or just a formal "thank you for your efforts". Thank you for reading.

Another hypothesis, again just present it to you without veting it: what if the entire planet is closed in an Event horizon (check wikipedia or youtube) or the outer layer known as Ergosphere? In both layers around the exo- objects black hole, wormhole, the time component is either retarded, stopped, slowed down, or even goes back.

In other words, if someone is able and allowed to make event horizon/ergosphere around the earth, he will get 1. closed space-time with certain paradoxes, and 2. the possibility to slow down time inside, while in the outside universe thousands and millions years will pass.

Who could have an interest of that, if we think for a while that is possible? How about the 3.5 years or 7 years in a closed space-time, while outside the event horizon millenia will pass? Then many of the controversies in prophetic timelines will be clear. Depending on which side of the barrier you are.

What is technically proven so far and carried out as undeniable scientific fact - the time in satellites goes little faster than the time on earth. Your GPS works because of that. The satellite signals are deciphered correctly because that fact is taken into account.

I will not add more conspiracy to that, you could estimate on your own what that could mean in any prophetic scenario. Augustine cut off the entire Millenium. Why??? Was he illiterate? Was he just wrong, an error repeated like a wave in Middle centuries when the innovation was not the best skill? Or was he time-traveller? Centro Inteligencia Vaticano helped with training materials the time-travel experiment Pegasus in USA - says the participant Andrew Basiago. You can hear him on youtube. Then children, they had usually a catholic mass before jumping thru the stargate. Believe it or not. Why children were chosen? Because the adults usually got crazy of that paradox.

In other words, if there are real-case scenarios suggested in the above two posts, you could experience much more than just a "Chastisement", "refuge in cave", or "rescue~rapture" in spaceship. You could choose between some kind of antichrist-controlled planet Earth, be it in self-contained space-time wrap, or be it extended back in pre-historic time. Or you could choose the rescue-rapture with spaceships to meet the others of God's creatures that are trillions in the stars. And to tell them the good news that Jesus Christ the Son of God has resurrected, and will resurrect us all at the end.

I don't know if the choice is like that, or is it between the simple survival of God's people and the Church, versus physical death and failure of God's promises given to Abraham and later. One of the reasons for persecution of Jews in history- if the devil manages to kill all of them, then God's promise to Abraham to make his descendants as many as the stars in heaven, will never be realized.

BTW be careful how you read the word heaven. In the Roman languages heaven and sky are the same word. We know well how the heaven is depicted in Middle centuries, as something above the clouds and the saints walking there. Today we have the vastness of the cosmic space. We will be very stubborn if we deny that. And that is not the final heaven where the spirits of the righteous dwell in God's presence face to face. All of that is below, and is as real as the earth is. Today no one denies Jupiter has moons (as in the time of Galileo). Then why for what reason some devote people are so persistent in denying the truth of the Universe created by God? In a clear night they could have counted with their naked eyes some 6000 stars. Even that is enough for a reasoning mind, without the help of all the modern telescopes who show trillions. Please, for your own sake and that of your children, do not restrict God in a box! Or you may find yourselves restricted in a closed space-time wrap with repetitive events or who knows what Some scientists as Dan Burisch and Anderson say that earth's timeline was repeatedly changed since 1997. Is this the cause for the modern seers' failure to predict correctly the year 2000?????

Originally posted by 2012newstart
Especially if I am raptured,

You won't be.

The rapture is Biblical,

No. It's not. And the notion of a pre-trib rapture being biblical has been DEBUNKED here many times. The rapture cult was invented by failed anglican priest Nelson Darby in the mid 1800s. The bible itself, and the bloody history of Christian martyrs through two thousand years, tells us that Christians don't get a 'get out of tribulation free' card. There is NO RAPTURE. Anyone who banks on a rapture is going to have their faith shaken when they are left here to deal with all the problems like everyone else.

The Rapture Cult

John 17:15 (JESUS praying to The Father) "I pray NOT that thou shouldest TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WORLD, but that thou should keep them from evil."

Luke 17:29,30 (Jesus speaking) ...(in) Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from Heaven and destroyed THEM ALL. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. THE WICKED were destroyed, once again.

Matthew 24:21,22 and Mark 13:19,20 (Jesus speaking) For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved (survive); but for THE ELECT's sake whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days.

Proverbs 10:30 The righteous shall NEVER be REMOVED;

Psalm 37:29 The righteous shall inherit the land (earth) and dwell therein FOREVER.

Psalm 37:9-11 For evildoers (WICKED) shall be cut off (destroyed); but those that wait upon the Lord shall inherit the earth.

Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger...and He shall destroy the sinners thereof OUT of it (the earth).

Psalm 104:35 Let the sinners be consumed OUT OF THE EARTH (world), and let the wicked be no more

Matthew 24:13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

NO PRE-TRIB RAPTURE. Nelson Darby invented it. Rapture cults jumped on it.

By the way, where are consecrated all Sunday mass hosts? Did you see them present on the altar during consecration? Or on Saturdays? If this is true - that most Sunday hosts are not consecrated and distributed to mass people

The consecrated hosts are in the altar area during Mass, and afterwards any that are left over are placed in the tabernacle where they belong. The hosts are indeed consecrated before being distributed.

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John 17:15 (JESUS praying to The Father) "I pray NOT that thou shouldest TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WORLD, but that thou should keep them from evil."

Luke 17:29,30 (Jesus speaking) ...(in) Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from Heaven and destroyed THEM ALL. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. THE WICKED were destroyed, once again.

Matthew 24:21,22 and Mark 13:19,20 (Jesus speaking) For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved (survive); but for THE ELECT's sake whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days.

Proverbs 10:30 The righteous shall NEVER be REMOVED;

Psalm 37:29 The righteous shall inherit the land (earth) and dwell therein FOREVER.

Psalm 37:9-11 For evildoers (WICKED) shall be cut off (destroyed); but those that wait upon the Lord shall inherit the earth.

Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger...and He shall destroy the sinners thereof OUT of it (the earth).

Psalm 104:35 Let the sinners be consumed OUT OF THE EARTH (world), and let the wicked be no more

Matthew 24:13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

NO PRE-TRIB RAPTURE. Nelson Darby invented it. Rapture cults jumped on it.

Good effort and impressed you can quote from the bible like this.

Oh I think we will have warnings. All over the world people have heard the groanings and there are earthquakes. Some are fakes but I don't think all of them. The warnings will not be an obvious sign in the sky saying "Repent" or anything. It will be earthquakes, strange groaning sounds, famines, droughts and such.

The Rapture is in the Gospel, on many places "two will be in the field" etc. Google the sites that give exact quotes.

The hosts appear in such a number on Sunday catholic masses that is hard to believe they are consecrated on separate masses. When were all those masses celebrated with extra cups of hosts PRSESENTED ON THE ALTAR to be readied for Sundays?
In USA you have the cups with wine as well, so at least you drink the Precious Blood. But it is not the case in the rest of the world. I will not repeat myself again and again. Sometimes it is even visible on the TV screen on large ceremonies. Thousands or tens of thousands of hosts that just come out from somewhere. When did they consecrate all of them, so no one have seen? How about Medjugorje hosts that are brought after consecration on the altar? Which is the mass they consecrated those many cups? There is none. Because they bring them for every next mass from somewhere. Prove me wrong. I want you prove me wrong.

It is interesting you do not comment the space issues. What will happen on the day after when the Chastisement will be a fact? Will you hide in caves or what?