Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
reply to post by troubleshooter
My own background is 3rd generation SDA, from Melbourne, Adventist high-school, degree in finance and economics, post-grad studies in funds
management/investment analysis/hedge funds....so my skill-set is mostly in analysis of large and complex qualitative information (global macroeconomic
and geopolitical trends), establishing links/patterns/causes, distinguishing and filtering out biases in information, objective decision making and
decision making under uncertainty.
Good for you!
Ok, so you're non-denomination...
I am not non-denominational, I am a-denominational...
(therefore I have no idea what 'interpretation' you have on anything)
The wind blows where it will.
...and ex-SDA (perhaps seeking to justify why you are no longer there and/or have some axe to grind against them).
I was joined to a religion by birth and left because I learned the Gospel...
...I have no axe...
...I proclaim the Gospel and allow it to clear the baggage of religion.
Ok, so you don't believe personally that White was a prophet...many do and many don't. Personally, I do and think evidence supports this but
it is not my intention of the thread to 'convert' people to become Adventist so I don't care to argue the point. I personally think that all of
Adventists unique doctrine is scripturally accurate (I think the Roman church supports this view considering what they said about Adventist's
singling them out as the only ones scripturally based and knowing that some other denominations keep Sabbath than just SDAs so they were really
referring to all our theology).
This is just triumphalism.
I have had discussions on ATS with people about each aspect of unique SDA theology and each time shown that it is in-line with the Bible. I
don't care to discuss the finer points of SDA side issues with you like 1844 (where the supposed event occurred in Heaven only so there is no way of
proving anything one way or another) as it is irrelevant.
1844 was Cognitive Dissonance.
The Millerites had the expectation that Jesus would return 22 October 1844...
...a date determined by a lunar calendar reckoning...
...and when He did not return a few resolved the dissonance...
...by desperately embracing Hiram Edson's cornfield vision and made up the IJ doctrine.
The spirit of prophecy is meant to be a testimony to Jesus.
The testimony of Jesus is
the spirit of prophecy not Ellen.
Your interpretation of the 69 and 70 week prophecy would then have less power in bringing people to Jesus (who aren't Christians already) as
it is more broadly defined and not meant to be proven from specific historical time period events, would you agree? We have a passage in Romans 14:1
concerning quarreling over disputable matters, right....so I think this is the appropriate time to raise it (I will seek to discuss 70 week and 2300
day prophecy later on but atm it is too early in the thread to distract the minds of others from irrelevant topics to this thread subject) as I am
already a Christian it is pointless to argue with you one persons interpretation of a time prophecy with another.
Question: If the 69/70 weeks is so 'powerful', why did none of the New Testament writers ever appeal to it as proof that Jesus was the Messiah?
Issues I am happy to quarrel over now are the Sabbath commandment, the terms of the New Covenant, and still being held to the 10 commandments
as these are not interpretative but misunderstood areas. I would rather read up on the Jewish lunar calendar (even though I have already done one
reply post which should dismiss much of it, I wasn't specific enough) than argue interpretive moot points on time prophecies.
The Ten Commandments were
the Old Covenant...
...and while the 'law and commandments are holy, just and good' they are not the New Covenant.
The New Covenant is 'in His blood' and mediated through the Spirit and not law/commandments.
Questions for you:
- Is the sea beast/little horn power the Papal power (If not then what is)?
- is this beast's mark of authority Sunday worship (If not then what is)?
- Is God's 'mark' shown to be the Sabbath commandment (If not then what is)?
- Are we still under the obligation to keep the Divine Law, if not then explain why?
- What is God's 'seal' and how is it received?
If you are a true Christian the sealing is a past event.
2 Corinthians 1:22 Who hath also sealed us
, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Ephesians 1:12-13 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the
word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed
with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
- What legal basis would Satan have to condemn someone at Judgment for receiving the Beast's mark if it wasn't related to breaking any
A true Christian does not come into Judgement … they have already been judged in Christ.
John 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment
but has passed from death to life.”
My intention with this thread is that Christians become Sabbath-keepers, I don't care if they become SDA or not, and that non-Christians can
put the NWO puzzle together and 'when' these events transpire and occur just how Adventists say then they will know who has the Truth, what the
events mean in context, what decision they need to make for God, and have some idea of the chronology of events to happen next (so they are not
confused) from the same Adventist sources.
Is this fair....or is this so major issue with you?
The Sabbath is not the Gospel and I know of no biblical mandate to proclaim it...
...so what spirit has laid this burden on you?
Did you study theology and history at Avondale?