The actual Beast's Mark of the NWO, how it will come in, Satan's last days deceiption (testing you

reply to post by yougetwhatyoudeserve


Perhaps I need to do a thread for you just on secret societies, what they control, their hierarchy and allegiance to the Jesuits/Vatican by proxy or directly. The 'sea beast/little horn' power represents a religio-political power, the tentacles of the Vatican are everywhere...read some of the books I suggested earlier.

Not everything is a conspiracy...while I'll go with you on believing the Catholic church is nefarious, Christianity in and of itself is not, as it's a genuine faith system rather than a religion - the religious aspect stems from man and will thus be flawed no matter how you look at it.

Originally posted by icepack
Another mystery to me are the Elohim. God said "Let's make them in our image", who are they ? How many are there ? Isn't this still polytheism, with one, most high god ?

Elohim is the name for the family of God, and the eventual purpose for the creation of the physical universe and mankind.

It is like a last name in modern terms. You have a father named Mr. Smith. Smith is his family name, all members of his family recieve the title Smith in reference.

Elohim is the title given to the family of God once they are born again of the spirit of God. Currently their are only 2 members of Elohim (Yahwey Elohim; the creator, sustainor, almighty God: and Jesus Christ Elohim the first of the firstfruits of salvation, king of kings and lord of lords).

In God's perfect timing and as a result of His perfect plan for the salvation of mankind and thus the craetion of the Elohim of God (God's family which is the purpose of existance) all mankind will have the oppertunity to become that creation (it is your purpose for life).

God was speaking in the progressive tense in that verse, meaning let "the God family" (whether compossed of just one i.e. Mr Smith; or 144,000 people after Jesus Christ's return i.e. the Smiths) make mankind in the image of "the God family";

Let Elohim make mankind in the image of Elohim. (God reproducing himself in mankind according to His perfect plan).

God Bless,

This is most certainly interesting, indeed.
I don't think there's such a thread here about this particular topic.
At least not one so thoroughly detailed and concise.

Very good read, and great ideas.

I am definitely enjoying this different approach.
It is a concept I've never explored before.
The Sabbath thing.

I may come back with a few questions.
Then again, I may not.



Good job.

Originally posted by joesomebody
reply to post by yougetwhatyoudeserve

 

Do you love Jesus and accept him as Lord and Savior? Do you do your best to show Him through your daily life? If so, you're fine.

"If you love me, keep my father's commandments." - Jesus Christ

4th commandment:

"Keep Holy the Sabbaths of the Eternal, 6 days you shall work, but the 7th day is a Holy gathering forever as a SIGN throughout your generations that I am your God and you are my people."

Do you love Jesus Christ?

The actual one who spoke those words, or the counterfiet version of Jesus Christ you are led to worship in your church community, who recieved there authority to keep Sunday, Christmas and Easter from the Catholic Church, then claim you are not under her authority?

Jesus told you how to love him, you are not authorized to go against his words to please your faith.

"He who says, I know him (love Christ) and keep not the commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him"

God Bless,

reply to post by troubleshooter

This Chart of the Week is over a hundred years old. It was prepared by Dr. William Meade Jones, a research expert in London, England. Well over a hundred languages prove that the week, everywhere, has seven days;—and that, in most languages, the native word for the seventh day is "Sabbath" (which means "rest" or "rest day") or "rest day."

Jones, a well-known British researcher, decided that since Scripture clearly shows that the Bible Sabbath was first given to mankind at the end of Creation Week, then two important facts would have had to be known throughout the ancient world: First, a fixing of the seven-day weekly cycle on a worldwide basis and, second, an ancient worldwide knowledge of the seventh-day Sabbath.
Chart of the week

Your concern about calendars and if the day has been lost....
Well if it was lost it was reconfirmed what the correct day was on about 9 occasions through history. Some of the occasions:
- During the Exodus when manna was given to last two days instead of one
- At Mt Sinai
- Then when we go to the Julian calendar in 46 BC we get the sabbath date reconfirmed during Jesus' life and the change to the Gregorian calendar did not modify the weekly cycle. It went from Thursday then Friday as the change came in.

We have had occasion to investigate the results of the works of specialists in chronology and we have never found one of them that has ever had the slightest doubt about the continuity of the weekly cycle since long before the Christian era.
source: Letter regarding continuity of the weekly cycle, US Naval Observatory (Washington DC: March 12, 1932)

"By calculating the eclipses, it can be proven that no time has been lost and the creation days were seven, divided into 24 hours each."—Dr. Hinkley, The Watchman, July 1926 [Hinkley was a well-known astronomer].

"The human race never lost the septenary [seven day] sequence of week days and that the Sabbath of these latter times comes down to us from Adam, though the ages, without a single lapse."—Dr. Totten, professor of astronomy at Yale University.

"Seven has been the ancient and honored number among the nations of the earth. They have measured their time by weeks from the beginning. The origin of this was the Sabbath of God, as Moses has given the reasons for it in his writings."—Dr. Lyman Coleman.

"There has been no change in our calendar in past centuries that has affected in any way the cycle of the week."—James Robertson, Director American Ephemeris, Navy Department, U.S. Naval Observatory, Washington, D.C., March 12, 1932.

"It can be said with assurance that not a day has been lost since Creation, and all the calendar changes notwithstanding, there has been no break in the weekly cycle."—Dr. Frank Jeffries, Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society and Research Director of the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, England.

reply to post by havok


I am happy if you come back with question. I can explore this topic from a huge number of angles. Even if the topic starts to wane your interest I would encourage anyone here interesting in the NWO topic to read the books by the Adventist pastor Bill Hughes who wrote The Secret Terrorist and The Enemy Unmasked. If people want to learn some of the best material on the NWO then 7th-day protestants (like Eric Jon Phelps with his book Vatican Assassins) and Adventists have material on them abundantly because we know how is the top controllers of everything else (the Jesuits) and focus our attention getting to the root cause and not hitting wall after all of all their various front groups.

reply to post by Azadok2day

You are way off base on this , although Rome fits in many ways they do not deny Christ as the son of God .

Incorrect. Rome fulfils all aspects. Follow up this link and read fully www.remnantofgod.org...

The Islamic faith was created by Rome to conquer the eastern Christian empire that were true Christian and would not have a bar of Rome's apostasy. You do realize that Muhammad was married to a very rich Catholic woman and he had heaps of Roman Catholic 'advisers' giving him guidance how to conquer Jerusalem for the Pope. The plan stuffed up though when Muslims grew so great in number and thought themselves invincible that they went to challenge Europe and thus the Vatican. Islam is now back under the control of the Vatican...watch the following video and learn from history, symbology ect how it is a mere counterpart of Rome

216 - The Islamic Connection
Description: This topic has puzzled numerous expositors. How does Islam fit into the picture of global conflict? Is this a political, religious, or religio-political conflict? What is its origin and what are its goals? How does it impact on ecumenism and on the doctrine of salvation in Christ? Find out in this informative video. A clear line is drawn through history, showing that the reality is more startling than the theory.

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205 - The Man Behind The Mask
Description: The Bible and the Bible alone are used to identify the Antichrist power. The little horn power of Daniel 7 with its twelve clear identifying features points to the only one who can qualify as Antichrist. Modern day deceptions regarding the little horn power, the doctrines of preterism(that the Antichrist existed in the past) and futurism(that the Antichrist will come in the future) are contrasted with the plain Biblical teachings. The word of God is sharper than a double-edged sword cutting even to the marrow.


210 - The Beast from the Bottomless Pit
Description: In chapter 11 of Revelation a beast arises out of the bottomless pit suggesting that form and structure have been added to a gospel of falsehood emanting out of the depths of the bottomless pit and threatening to rob the world of light. A detailed look at the French Revolution and its philosophy as it pertains to do the setting up of the new world order. This video portrays aspects of the kingdom of darkness which Satan wishes to establish on earth and exposes how this will directly impact on the lives of all living today. This video is foundational to understanding current world events.


211 - The Secret Behind Secret Societies
Description: Much has been written on secret societies and there are numerous speculations as to which powers control them. The nature of secrecy is such that the real power behind the power should remain exactly that-Secret. In this lecture, clear evidence is provided to show who really stands behind the throne of Earthly power.


212 - Hidden Agendas
Description: Exposes the philosophy behind secret societies. It unequivocally proves from the best sources that the deity of the Bible. Study the evidence for yourself and prove whether these things are indeed so.


215 - Revolutions, Tyrants & Wars
Description: Revolutions, Tyrants & Wars need finance and support in order to succeed. Who is behind the major conflagrations which have plagued mankind particularly during the last centuries. Are sinister forces working behind the scenes to achieve their Hegelian synthesis and to bring about a new order of things? Some highlights discussed are the revolutions of the previous century, culminating in the rise of the USA, the Kennedy assassination, and the setting up of the new world order.


218 - Two Beasts Become Friends
Description: This is an expose of Revelation chapter 13 where the beast out of the sea and the beast out of the earth become friends, culminating in a new system of worship which honors the first beast. Clear evidence is provided as to the nature of these political powers, their aims, and objectives. Since the issue is a matter of life and death with eternal consequences, it is vital that we understand who these powers are.


221 - A New World Order
Description: In this DVD, the emergence of a new world order is discussed, with all its political and socio-economic ramifications. The intriques behind the setting up of a universal order dictating to the conscience of men are clearly exposed. The events leading up to this order, such as the great terrorist attacks of our time, and the battle against the so-called "axis of evil" are discussed, as well as how the new structure will personally impact on the lives of the citizens of the world.


224 - That All May Be One
Description: In an age of religious tolerance and ecumenism, old hatchets are being buried. Churches are reuniting that have long been separated on questions of doctrine. Are these developments based on Scriptures conformity or humanitarian principles? Is truth sacrificed for the sake of unity? Are we moving to an era of peace the Bible warns against? This lecture also looks at the philosophies of some prominent preachers, such as Robert Schuller, Billy Graham, and others. Who leads this ecumenical movement and what is its goal?

reply to post by ElohimJD

You NAILED it! (more correctly God revealed this truth to you powerfully)

Thank you. Yes, it is the responsibility of those who have been put in a position to gain understanding and light to pass it on for God's service (ala parable of the talents). Adventist's have known the general gist about the beast mark for almost 150 odd years now but such information isn't really taught to anyone else openly. Basically SDAs are sitting on their hands, so to speak, awaiting for this imposter Christ to come first before they get activated. Personally I think it best to get this information out (with proper referencing cover multiple angles) before the event takes place and people get too taken in by the deception. I keep tabs on the general content of the messages that New Agers follow from the channeling of ETs (read fallen angels) and how the promises and hype seems to reach a point back about 2 months ago that I thought it best to start developing an online presence and start posting on this now.

According to the Word, Christians are told not to give our own opinion of what a prophetic symbol means. We must allow the Word of God to define it's own symbols. Our private interpretations are useless.

reply to post by LionOfGOD

I´m sorry, but it´s hard to take seriously anyone who thinks that they have outsmarted the devil or figured out god´s plan

Do you not think that on such a huge matter that such information is never meant to be found out, even if it can be extracted from the bible from very careful analysis. Who do you think the offspring of the woman is in Revelation 12 who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus (where 'the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy' Rev. 19:10). Do you not think this woman (faith church of God) would play an important role in the last days message?

reply to post by RobinB022


Please be specific in your critique...I am happy to show through scripture how the seal of God is the 10 commandments altogether, if one keeps the Divine Law it is impossible for them to receive the beast's mark

reply to post by JesuitGarlic


The 10 cammandments didnt stop gods warriors from murdering and raping little girls that were left after they destroyed entire citys for having to much skin on their penises.

O but you think its ok to kill people if god says they deserve to die.

^%&*ing insane.

reply to post by yougetwhatyoudeserve

I would like to know what happens to people who don't take both days serious, people who don't keep themselves busy with that kind of stuff you know?

If people choose to reject God then they will have this life to live out (which maybe only a short amount of time left) and that is it. At Judgment, those who do not find their name in the 'book of life' will be Judged according to their works, meaning if you just live a normal life and are not cruel to anyone ect then basically the fire from God will consume one completely within a blink of an eye and you will be effectively erased from existence both body and soul.

I don't see him as somekind of saviour/messiah but more like a teacher. He was "the perfect example" in his behaviour and how to behave to and with people, more like that...

If you don't think the Biblical account is supported by science, archeology and history I can suggest many resources for you to follow up on this.

If you would like to see how Jesus is in fact the Messiah and God then I will suggest some things about this aspect for you to follow up with now.

201 - Just Another Man?
Description: In this video, Biblical evidence that Jesus is the Messiah is presented in multimedia format. The ancient prophecies are unravelled, particularly the prophecy in Daniel 9 on the seventy weeks which pinpoints the exact time of the Messiah's arrival on Earth. The study of this prophecy has even been cursed by some theologians who do not wish to acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah. Study the evidence revealed in this video and you make your own conclusions.


These two books to help establish the independent evidence that Jesus was a real person and actually did conquer death and rise from the grave proving his diety.
The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus
The Case for the Real Jesus: A Journalist Investigates Current Attacks on the Identity of Christ

Once you fell like what you are reading about Jesus is true and know that he really was God's Son then I would suggest these two books (the second book listed is the best and most rewarding book I have read in my entire life)
- Steps to Christ
- The Desire of Ages

If you hunt around searching of a copy of the Desire of Ages online you should be able to find a good pdf file version as well.

reply to post by Wertdagf


Please provide the relevant passage in scripture where this is outlined so I may comment on it properly

Originally posted by ElohimJD

Originally posted by icepack
Another mystery to me are the Elohim. God said "Let's make them in our image", who are they ? How many are there ? Isn't this still polytheism, with one, most high god ?

Actually, the "we" refers to the Holy Trinity, Father, Son, and Spirit - they are three individual sub-entities that make up the one Godhead. Furthermore, there are vast uses of the royal "we" to refer to single entities within the word.

It's not polytheistic in the least. It's like a puzzle with 3 pieces - they are each individual from one another, but all part of one image.

Originally posted by ElohimJD

Originally posted by joesomebody
reply to post by yougetwhatyoudeserve

 

"If you love me, keep my father's commandments." - Jesus Christ
4th commandment:
"Keep Holy the Sabbaths of the Eternal, 6 days you shall work, but the 7th day is a Holy gathering forever as a SIGN throughout your generations that I am your God and you are my people."
Do you love Jesus Christ?
The actual one who spoke those words, or the counterfiet version of Jesus Christ you are led to worship in your church community, who recieved there authority to keep Sunday, Christmas and Easter from the Catholic Church, then claim you are not under her authority?
Jesus told you how to love him, you are not authorized to go against his words to please your faith.
"He who says, I know him (love Christ) and keep not the commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him"
God Bless,

Keeping His commandments doesn't refer to being nit-picky about the particular day, it's the observance that shows your faith, not the day you take it on - you should be showing your dedication, praise, worship, and prayerfulness in your daily life anyway, and not just on the chosen Sabbath day. The commandment actually means you should take A DAY off a week to rest and worship God.

The day you take Sabbath on doesn't matter, and yes, I do know the Lord. You are all acting like a bunch of Pharisees. Jesus himself went against the notions of the Jews regarding the Sabbath by showing His authority over it. While He didn't do actual work on the Sabbath, He performed healings and miracles on the Sabbath, which infuriated the Jews at the time because they thought both that He was working, and that by doing so He was breaking the Sabbath.

His death and resurrection created a new covenant that superseded the entirety of the old law. While He does instruct us to follow the 10 commandments, as they are correct in their rules for living a Holy life, nowhere is it referred to as losing your salvation or whatever happens if you break one law, step on one crack, take Sabbath on a day other than the first of the week, etc.

If this were the case, we'd all have to recommit our lives to Jesus thousands of times a day for every sin we commit, instead of simply praying according to the Lord's prayer. By your logic, people then too would have to be considered marked by the beast any time they sin. Use a curse word? Hell for you. Skip church? Hell for you. - BUT IT'S NOT LIKE THAT, Jesus came to forgive us and provide blanket forgiveness for our blood debts to God.

Can you deny the bible?

Col 2:13-17 -- 13When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you[c] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14HAVING CANCELED THE WRITTEN CODE, WITH ITS REGULATIONS, THAT WAS AGAINST US AND THAT STOOD OPPOSED TO US; HE TOOK IT AWAY, NAILING IT TO THE CROSS.15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[d] 16THEREFORE DO NOT LET ANYONE JUDGE YOU BY what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or A SABBATH DAY. 17THESE ARE A SHADOW OF THE THINGS THAT WERE TO COME; THE REALITY, HOWEVER, IS FOUND IN CHRIST.

Romans 14:1-8 -- 1ACCEPT HIM WHOSE FAITH IS WEAK, WITHOUT PASSING JUDGMENT ON DISPUTABLE MATTERS. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, WHOSE FAITH IS WEAK, EATS ONLY VEGETABLES...5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6HE WHO REGARDS ONE DAY (not "the 7th day) AS SPECIAL, DOES SO TO THE LORD.

Case closed.

Take note that there will be false prophets. Matthew 7 Tells us:

15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will [k] know them by their fruits. [l]Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will [m]know them by their fruits.

21 “ Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many [n]miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

And for you nitpickers, Jesus IS the law. The ones who practice lawlessness are those who don't follow Him or his rule.

reply to post by JesuitGarlic

You do realize of course that Seventh-day Adventists had their origins in the use of a lunar calendar.

The Karaite calendar William Miller used to establish 22 October 1844 was a lunar calendar...
...which determines Sabbath's by reference to the New Moon each lunar cycle.

Oddly SDA's later adopted a Sabbath based on a Roman Saturday.

JG,I appreciate the gusto it takes to do what you did here. I was the same way,more than once,when I thought I had it all figured out.

Maybe I still don't,but if you want to look at all angles of things,(which you do,I can tell,because you're very thorough on many points),here's something a friend of mine told me after reading your thread.

It might come off as a riddle to you,but give it some thought.

"But like most SDA's on prophecy he makes the Papacy everything and it is not. The Papacy is but one of the seven heads of the Beast System and besides This Beast now of Rev 13: has ten horns now with the crowns showing that the ruling power is no longer with any of the heads no more as it was in Rev 12:3."

reply to post by boymonkey74

Yeah, he love wasting bandwidth and preaching, doesn't he? There is no such thing as an antichrist, but there is an anti christian movement, and soon there will be no more christians,,, hopefully. All copy/paste, nothing original here.