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Egypt's New President: Our Capital 'Shall Be Jerusalem, Allah Willing'

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posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 07:02 PM
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There are a significant number of Arab immigrants in San Diego county.


Define what you mean by significant since you did not go to the trouble of stating numbers.



Many of them are Iraqi Christians who have left recently after being targeted by radical Islamicists.


Firstly, there is no such thing as 'Islamicist' however you can call fundees Christianists if you wish.

Do you realise that the US invaded Iraqi and killed over a million people then they deployed their death squads.

The killers of Christian Iraqis, who have lived unmolested in Iraq for over 1000 years, were Americans and their death squads. Did you forget about American and British special forces in Arab clothing planting bombs in neighbourhood markets full of poor women and children? The Christian West is truly lethal.
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posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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The world is also tired of you and your extremist religious nut job dictators, we had all hoped you woke and would like to join the rest of the world in "the future" but clearly not, oh well heres to more years of war


No. The World is tired of you Americans. Try waking up and smelling the coffee, many nations are getting ready to deal with you religious fundee nutjobs who have taken over the country. Every thing you touch turns to crap. Do you not see the dollar being dropped by nation after nation?

All countries are arming themselves to the teeth and standing strong against fundees.
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posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask
 

ALL of Israel is stolen land. Israel has no 'sovereign right' to it just because of the Bible. Israel is a Western puppet state and military base. Those like you who offer a skewed version of history to defend their empirical existence based on the Bible are absurd. Might as well base foreign policy on the Chronicals of NArnia.


"Chronicles of Narnia"
Very nicely put.

One of the other posters alluded to the overall stance of America and its allies in matters middle eastern. Keep the pot simmering.

1. America benefits from perpetual instability in the Arab world, whether between nations or factions within nations. America can support whom it chooses for considerations it requires.

2. It is in America's interests to make sure that Israel is under a never ending threat from its neighbors, always dependant on America, always cooperative with America's overall intentions (control of middle eastern oil).

America is like the lunatic at the picnic. Give him all the cake he wants, just so he won't wreck everything in sight.

Oil is a curse on the Arab and Jewish people that won't be lifted until the last drop is gone.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady
reply to post by Rosha
 





Perhaps you are correct when it comes to the M.E however Sharia law pundits are encroaching into wider territory every day.


You lost me there with your nonsensical fantasy. Let us talk facts and not some over cooked propaganda garbage.


From the Jakarta Globe
"Banda Aceh. Religious police in Indonesia’s Aceh province, where Islamic law is in force, stopped and reprimanded 53 people on Wednesday during a patrol to enforce the Muslim dress code, sparking a stand-off with some residents." www.thejakartaglobe.com...

The inscription under the picture. " A mother of three signs a testament saying she will not violate Islamic Sharia law during the Islamic raids in Banda Aceh, on Wednesday. Those who are caught three times wearing improper dress as defined by Islamic law will face a minimum of six lashes of the whip. (EPA Photo/Hotli Simanjuntak) "

Religous police on streets of Ache: photoblog.msnbc.msn.com... ans?lite
(this one even has pictures for 'proof')

Persecution of Indonesian homosexuals
wikiislam.net...

Sharia controlled zones in the UK
www.liveleak.com...
Another link here: www.jihadwatch.org...

the lists go on...

Nigeria
www.guardian.co.uk...

Mali
www.bbc.co.uk...

Yemen
www.bbc.co.uk...

In the EU: "Sharia for Belgium"
www.cbn.com...


"" Countries using strict forms of Sharia Law include:

Death for Blasphemy:

1. Afghanistan
2. Bahrain
3. Iran
4. Mauritania
5. Oman
6. Pakistan
7. Yemen
8. Saudi Arabia
9. Gaza

Imprisonment for Blasphemy:

1. Algeria
2. Bangladesh
3. Egypt
4. Iraq
5. Kuwait
6. Libya
7. Malaysia
8. Maldives
9. Morocco
10. Somalia
11. Tunisia
12. United Arab Emirates


Nations that include some level of Sharia (leniant sentences for honour killings, ban on new churches, floggings, etc):


1. Indonesia (Flogging, Caning; Sharia applied strictly in Aceh province)
2. Turkey (Restrictions on alcohol)
3. Brunei (Caning, Alcohol is illegal)
4. Jordan (2 years or less for honour killings)
5. Eritrea (Girls as young as 8 can be married, spousal rape is not recognized)
6. Syria (1 year or less for honour killings)
7. Djibouti (Sharia law regarding divorce)
8. Chechnya (Modest dress enforced, Alcohol and gambling suppressed by local authorities)
9. Niger (girls can be married off before they reach puberty)
10. Nigeria (Sharia is enforced in the northern states)
11. Kenya (Ad Hoc Sharia enforced in the east near the border with Somalia)
12. Gambia (Sharia courts decide all family matters, including for non-Muslims)
13. Qatar (public consumption is illegal during Ramadan, Alcohol heavily restricted, blood money acceptable punishment for murder, "kafala" law which is also shared by all Gulf states but Bahrain is technically slavery)
14. Uganda (Kadhi Courts overseeing family and civil matters)

Most "Western" nations also have parallel Sharia legal systems (for example in Canada polygamy is widely practiced and authorities look the other way, Imams refusing to condemn or work to stop it). Sharia finance is also practiced in many nations around the world. Many other Islamic nations that do not apply Sharia (such as Azerbaijan, Albania, Bosnia, Uzbekistan, and Tajikstan) have large portions of their population who do want it applied or who actively seek to abide by it extra-legally.

Read more: wiki.answers.com... ""



Let us also not forget Dearborn USA in 2011.
www.americanthinker.com...


20years ago..most of the listed nations above had NO Sharia law whatever.

Sharia is a radical political and social control ideology..it rides on the back of religious affiliation but has nothing inherently to do with real Islam or any other form of religion...it is a present danger and growing. I am not an anti-Islamic person..read my posts..I am however an informed and aware person...one who uses my common sense and isn't reliant on propaganda..and the truth..a snapshot of which is pictured above..speaks for itself.



Ro
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posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady
reply to post by TritonTaranis
 





The world is also tired of you and your extremist religious nut job dictators, we had all hoped you woke and would like to join the rest of the world in "the future" but clearly not, oh well heres to more years of war


No. The World is tired of you Americans. Try waking up and smelling the coffee, many nations are getting ready to deal with you religious fundee nutjobs who have taken over the country. Every thing you touch turns to crap. Do you not see the dollar being dropped by nation after nation?

All countries are arming themselves to the teeth and standing strong against fundees.
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I'm not American,



Well thats handy because were also arming ourselves to the teeth with far superior weaponary just as its always been, your track records not very good when it comes to Wars, the odds of you disorganised bunch of miscreants ever poseing a threat to the civilized world is laughable, i hope you know what your letting yourselves in for when you finally grow a pair



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady
reply to post by mbkennel
 





Why did they sign peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan then?


They signed treaties with regimes and not with nations.




They could say something like: "The capital of Egypt is Cairo and is for Egyptians" and they could refrain from saying "Death to Israel!" and "The capital of your country will be ours soon and you will be dead".


How about the zionists withdraw from occupied land which includes Jerusalem and try hard to stop killing unarmed Palestinian civilians.

You act as if the zionists have entitlements over land and people they occupy. Try reading a factually correct history book.


In your opinion, what Israeli territory is not illegitmate and "occupied"?



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by GiodanoBruno

You do? How? Explain.


,,So before 911 ,what was MB track record? I bet you didn't even know who they were before 911. How convenient.


You'd lose that bet. They've been around since the late 1920's. Just because YOU don't know something doesn't mean NO ONE knows it.

Now it so happens that I may not be personally acquainted with any in the MB - or I might. You'll never know. I will say that I HAVE known some radical Muslims on a personal level. their specific affiliations aren't really your concern.



Really?!,, comparing events in Afghanistan with Palestine. Comparing a meaningless event involving Pashtun people with how Egyptians will do the same is moronic.


If you fail to see the correlations, the fault is within YOU, not within ME.

You seriously think the Pyramids are in Palestine? You need to get out more.



Oh,,, I get it,,you're one of those americants that puts everyone in a single pot. Its time to change your ignorant view of the world. And avoid FOX.


Accusations of watching "Fox" I see. that's the last refuge of the clueless, it's what people toss out when they haven't got anything meaningful to say. I'll tell you what, you get over there, walk the ground, talk to the people, eat the food, spend some time getting to know a few of them, then come on back and we can have an informed discussion between peers. Until then, not so much.

Once you've seen it with your own eyes, THEN you can come back and tell me about my "ignorant view of the world". Until then, you might want to try a bit of introspection with reference to that allegation.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady
reply to post by mbkennel
 





There are a significant number of Arab immigrants in San Diego county.


Define what you mean by significant since you did not go to the trouble of stating numbers.



Many of them are Iraqi Christians who have left recently after being targeted by radical Islamicists.


Firstly, there is no such thing as 'Islamicist' however you can call fundees Christianists if you wish.


It's a political Islamic movement in the 20th and 21st century, and real and identifiable, and needs a name.

And sure, a Christian movement which would advocate permanent replacement of civil law and government with religious courts, explicit religious tests for government officials, an over-arching board of Cardinals with plenary power to overturn laws, and police organization called "Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice". Yes, that could appropriately be called "Christianist".

The Papal States in the Renaissance would be an example, and possibly also the Reyes Catolicos in Spain---though even they would not accede to a Pope overruling one of their edicts.




Do you realise that the US invaded Iraqi and killed over a million people then they deployed their death squads.

The killers of Christian Iraqis, who have lived unmolested in Iraq for over 1000 years, were Americans and their death squads.


Untrue, however, the civil conflicts resulting from the poorly planned and considered invasion allowed sectarian religious parties to gather weapons and power, and these factions are oppressing the Christians.

If the US had been directly responsible ("death squads"), then certainly the Chaldeans would not have wanted to emigrate to the US, however, they did.


Did you forget about American and British special forces in Arab clothing planting bombs in neighbourhood markets full of poor women and children? The Christian West is truly lethal.
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WTF?
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posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 07:58 PM
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I like to call them wahabbis, since they follow in the footsteps of Ibn Wahab who took an extremely militant and literalist view of Islamic texts.... they usually call themselves salafis or ahl al sunnah wa'l jamaa among other names.....but they follow in his sunnah nonetheless.
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posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by ipsedixit

Originally posted by stanguilles7
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask
 

ALL of Israel is stolen land. Israel has no 'sovereign right' to it just because of the Bible. Israel is a Western puppet state and military base. Those like you who offer a skewed version of history to defend their empirical existence based on the Bible are absurd. Might as well base foreign policy on the Chronicals of NArnia.


"Chronicles of Narnia"
Very nicely put.

One of the other posters alluded to the overall stance of America and its allies in matters middle eastern. Keep the pot simmering.

1. America benefits from perpetual instability in the Arab world, whether between nations or factions within nations. America can support whom it chooses for considerations it requires.


Yes. Well, as long as we are defining "America" to mean the multinational corporations, arms dealers, weapons manufacturers, etc. It doesn't actually benefit the American people, per say.


2. It is in America's interests to make sure that Israel is under a never ending threat from its neighbors, always dependant on America, always cooperative with America's overall intentions (control of middle eastern oil).


Not just oil. Also all those juicy weapons contracts. And all sorts of minerals.



posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 11:32 PM
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I wish America had chosen a different path. I agree with you that "America" can mean different things depending on the points of reference but the American people have let their political system go to rack and ruin. There is still tremendous enthusiasm for criminals in office in America. I know there are many Americans who find the situation as deplorable as I do, but what is going on with the large numbers of people who continue to return the crooks to office?

I would like to think that Americans, as a people, are not culpable in what has been going on but it is increasingly difficult to believe that.

I know that oil depletion is a tremendous problem, but I think no nation on earth is more capable of solving that problem in creative ways than America. Instead Americans are sent to war to make sure that the American oligarchs wring every last penny out of the oil industry before turning to the inescapable necessity to seek alternatives . . . and hundreds of thousands of innocents have died to facilitate the oligarchs in their time of urgent greed.

Americans themselves are the only people on earth who can put a stop to this nightmare. Please do it.


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posted on Jun, 25 2012 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by TTAA2012

I have yet to see ANY Israeli politician claim the capital of another country as their own. Before you say they did that to Jerusalem, I'd remind you that it is called the "City of David" for a reason. Jerusalem was founded by Jews. It is theirs; period.


Either your kidding or you dont know history. Or current events. Or the Bible.

The current land called Israel was founded by a group of terrorists - Israeli extremists called Zionists. They wanted power and control so men like Hitler could not subjugate them again. They begged the UN for land under the guise it was to protect all Jews. The land the UN allowed them to have was a very small part of the former Israel and since then, they have taken more land by bloodshed and force - more land outside the old Israels boundaries that even the UN or God gave to them originally. They have broken their UN charter by doing this.

These Zionists aka terrorists not only claimed land that no longer belonged to them ( or was even given to them) they took it by force. they are still doing this today murdering women and children who are just trying to stay alive.

This is Not a Holy nation unto God with Gods blessing. God told them he would turn his back on them until they turn back to Him and they have yet to do so. The Israelis have no power from God in these matters like they had when he told them to go and take the land of Cannan, He, is simply staying out of it.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by gravitational



I'm thinking that Israel tried to massacre everyone on Liberty, because they wanted to cover up their "first strike" on Egypt to start the war and manipulate the story that they are the victim. But they again -- maybe that wasn't the reason.
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The FIRST STRIKE on the forth day of the war ???
LOL//////........



If the war started BEFORE that -- then it would not be on the 4th day, would it?

I am in no way an expert on conflicts in the Middle East. I am not even interested in becoming "more informed". I'm just throwing out a possible reason for the attempted massacre of US troops observing Israel on the U.S.S. Liberty since there IS NO EXPLANATION. It just goes in the category; "question everything." It's not like I'm questioning the moon landing and all. The Liberty was attacked with apparently some cooperation from higher ups in the US military since there was no retaliation or support for the vessel, nor any sort of real investigation. Though Israel was never "absolutely" acknowledged as the culprits -- the lack of military support and investigations shows that nobody ELSE but Israel could have attacked a US military ship and gotten away without even a cross word. Obviously, some Senator's relationship with a 10-year-old was still on the down low (that's how diplomacy works, you see). Then the question is WHY?

The US financially and militarily backs both Egypt and Israel. Egypt because of it's oil reserves and purchases of our weapons an Israel because they've got dirt on EVERYBODY.

I kind of resent all the Mossad operations in the US and the number of politicos in their pockets. When I was younger -- there were a lot of people who were anti-Jewish and blamed them with every conspiracy and so you had to throw out most of the nonsense. Also, most of my friends were jewish. And of course -- 9/11 hadn't happened yet so I didn't go back and check my world history for errors.

But now I've grown up a bit, and I don't have any unquestioned heros -- I don't dismiss ALL critiques because of a bunch of idiots threw up nonsense all over it. 99% of the stuff I read on this blog, for instance, is rubbish - but at LEAST things are questioned. The exercise of critical thinking is useful even if it never bears fruit.

So either this is an anti-isreali rant by the Egyptians -- or the Egyptian president "could be" trying to facilitate the power of authoritarian groups in Israel by playing his part with the "bogie man game" and in return, someone in Israel will say something horrible and threatening (which WON'T be on our TV news). It's hard to say.

I don't really have the time to filter the tit-for-tat scare tactics of other nations -- all I ask is that people start LOOKING for this kind of propaganda.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

Originally posted by TTAA2012

I have yet to see ANY Israeli politician claim the capital of another country as their own. Before you say they did that to Jerusalem, I'd remind you that it is called the "City of David" for a reason. Jerusalem was founded by Jews. It is theirs; period.


Either your kidding or you dont know history. Or current events. Or the Bible.

The current land called Israel was founded by a group of terrorists - Israeli extremists called Zionists. They wanted power and control so men like Hitler could not subjugate them again. They begged the UN for land under the guise it was to protect all Jews. The land the UN allowed them to have was a very small part of the former Israel and since then, they have taken more land by bloodshed and force - more land outside the old Israels boundaries that even the UN or God gave to them originally. They have broken their UN charter by doing this.

These Zionists aka terrorists not only claimed land that no longer belonged to them ( or was even given to them) they took it by force. they are still doing this today murdering women and children who are just trying to stay alive.

This is Not a Holy nation unto God with Gods blessing. God told them he would turn his back on them until they turn back to Him and they have yet to do so. The Israelis have no power from God in these matters like they had when he told them to go and take the land of Cannan, He, is simply staying out of it.



Well that is something people tend NOT TO KNOW -- that all the "tactics" called terrorism today, were perfected and used to create the state of Israel.

From the point of view of all the angry arab neighbors who "just hate Jews for no reason" -- they stuck a sign post in history and said; "OK, after THIS POINT, it's a blank slate and we pay attention to the record."

// We stole it 70 years ago and you tried to take it back 50 years ago and THAT was totally a crime dudes!

>> Of course, I'm all for just saying; "Let's just settle down and quit worrying about who did what." Which is fine unless you live in Palestine and you've been in a shrinking Ghetto your entire life with little opportunity.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 03:32 PM
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Right after 9/11 Prince Nayef said that Israel and the Muslim brotherhood were to blame for 9/11. I would think this spoke to an alliance of sorts. Prince Nayef was most certainly in a position to have intimate knowledge in these areas.
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posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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2 hours ago Occurred On: Jun-26-2012

taking bets,,DAMASCUS,,ruinious heap,
or total uninhabitable for a thousand years?

50/50
70/30
or 90/10
,,anyone.?



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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actually i was going too quote god,, "your money will not save you",,



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman

Egypt


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(visit the link for the full news article)


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Very interesting that the new head of Egypt should say Allah willing. If Egypt lost then they will say that Allah didn't will them to win Jerusalem. It will be Allahs fault no matter the outcome.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by swoopaloop

Originally posted by TTAA2012

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
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Thanks for the clarification. Their stance is definitely aggressive isn't it? But then so is Israel's.


I have yet to see ANY Israeli politician claim the capital of another country as their own. Before you say they did that to Jerusalem, I'd remind you that it is called the "City of David" for a reason. Jerusalem was founded by Jews. It is theirs; period.


Well America was founded by natives. I guess the Americas belong to the natives then; period.


HAha Yes!... the sands shift.. and the people keep claiming the pebbles as their own.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 04:14 AM
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Originally posted by TTAA2012

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
reply to post by TTAA2012
 


Thanks for the clarification. Their stance is definitely aggressive isn't it? But then so is Israel's.


I have yet to see ANY Israeli politician claim the capital of another country as their own. Before you say they did that to Jerusalem, I'd remind you that it is called the "City of David" for a reason. Jerusalem was founded by Jews. It is theirs; period.


1- No it was not founded by Jews. And it is not theirs. Go read history again and get your facts straight.

2- Even IF it was, that was thousands of years ago. So based on your logic, America belongs to it's ancient peoples, and so does Australia. (Ancient peoples = non-whites)

So yes, they did do claim another country's capital as their own. Period.



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