Turkey declares jet shoot-down a 'hostile' act., page 1

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 09:37 AM

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Looks like NATO going to get a reason to get into syria.

Istanbul (CNN) -- Turkey officially considers the shooting down of one of its military fighter jets by Syria to be a hostile act, the Turkish Foreign Ministry said Sunday.

Turkey delivered the message in a diplomatic note to the Syrian consulate in Istanbul, calling the incident "a hostile movement," ministry spokesman Selcuk Unal told CNN.

Turkish search-and-rescue teams found the wreckage of the fighter jet in the Mediterranean Sea on Sunday, about 1,300 meters (4,260 feet) underwater, he said. They have not reached the wreck yet, he added. There was no word about survivors of the two-man crew.

The incident raises the temperature between the two regional powers significantly. Syria gave no warning before shooting down the F-4 Phantom jet which strayed into its territory, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said Sunday in an appearance filled with tough talk against Syria.

Turkey declares jet shoot-down a 'hostile' act

As a NATO member turkey can call on the the other NATO countrys for help.
And if you believe some reports they been helping the rebles for a while now on
the quiet.

But it could mean Libya MK II with the NATO airforce taking out syrian air power giving
the rebles the advantage on the ground followed by a pro westen goverment.

Now that should pi$$ off the russians.iranians and a few more.

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Trajan

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 09:45 AM

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Looks like NATO really wants to take out Syria.

The Syrian's aren't going to go easily and Iran will back them.

We could be looking at a major war in the Middle East with either the total obliteration of Iran/Syria's power or the collapse of the US power monopoly in the region.

Hopefully, Syria can fire those Scuds, Iskander and Yahkont missiles against any aggression from NATO allowing Iran some space to maneouvre.

ALF88

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 09:45 AM

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They also admitted the plane has been in Syrian airspace, which makes the "hostile act" a legitimate act, especially considering the situation between Turkey and Syria. Turkey is supplying the FSA Al Qaeda terrorists with weapons and the FSA has its base camps on Turkish territory .

It is clearly no reason for NATO to intervene.

I think it is all about saving face from now on and nothing will happen.

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Zaphod58

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 09:47 AM

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Under the NATO treaty, they will only attack if Article V is invoked, and one of the member nations is physically attacked. An aircraft being shot down is NOT an attack, and goes beyond the scope of Article V. This is no excuse for a NATO intervention.

EvanB

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by Zaphod58
Under the NATO treaty, they will only attack if Article V is invoked, and one of the member nations is physically attacked. An aircraft being shot down is NOT an attack, and goes beyond the scope of Article V. This is no excuse for a NATO intervention.

The cross border shelling does though..

Numbers33four

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 09:50 AM

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reply to post by skuly

Please aallow me to translate what Turkey is really trying to say:

"Qucik! Let's install a Syrian leader who is loyal to the Muslim Brotherhood!"

ALF88

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by EvanB

Originally posted by Zaphod58
Under the NATO treaty, they will only attack if Article V is invoked, and one of the member nations is physically attacked. An aircraft being shot down is NOT an attack, and goes beyond the scope of Article V. This is no excuse for a NATO intervention.

The cross border shelling does though..

Which

1. was month ago, so it is hardly a reason now

2. was because Turkey shelters the FSA terrorists on their territory.

So if anybody has a reason to attack it is Syria!

CrikeyMagnet

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 10:03 AM

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Considering current threats against Syria, and the overall tension in the area, it is perfectly reasonable that Syria would shoot down a military aircraft in its own territory. The fact that aircraft sometimes stray due to their high velocity is an argument that Turkey should be planning their flightpaths better, and not an argument that Syria should hesitate to defend itself.

This should be a non-issue, chalked up to bad planning by Turkey, and ahightened readiness state in Syria. Instead, it's being used to sell a war by fanatics. Russia and China will still counter if there is an invasion.

christafinias

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by Zaphod58
Under the NATO treaty, they will only attack if Article V is invoked, and one of the member nations is physically attacked. An aircraft being shot down is NOT an attack, and goes beyond the scope of Article V. This is no excuse for a NATO intervention.

Under article 4 of NATO's charter, member countries can request consultation when they feel their security is threatened. NATO will meet tomorrow to discuss its response to the shooting

source
www.smh.com.au...

ATS thread
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Zaphod58

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 10:54 AM
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That is Article IV. That means consultations. Consultations DO NOT mean that war is imminent. It's like people WANT war to happen.

michael1983l

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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If Turkey declares war on Syria then so be it, they can finish it themselves anyway. Russian aircraft regularly come into British aerospace yet they are never shot down. That is because this is normal and they are escorted out of air airspace by our air defence aircraft. What is important to remember is that Syria never issued a warning, that means that it was a hostile act of war as if it wasn't they would have just asked them to leave just like the UK does with Russia.

CrikeyMagnet

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by michael1983l
If Turkey declares war on Syria then so be it, they can finish it themselves anyway. Russian aircraft regularly come into British aerospace yet they are never shot down. That is because this is normal and they are escorted out of air airspace by our air defence aircraft. What is important to remember is that Syria never issued a warning, that means that it was a hostile act of war as if it wasn't they would have just asked them to leave just like the UK does with Russia.

If the incoming aircraft was identified as a threat, and may have posed imminent danger to ANY Syrian interests, they would still be right to react. You and I don't know what went on "in the room", so there is no full interpretation of events that we can make. We can see, though, that it would make sense to consider a foreign military aircraft entering your airspace a threat, especially in light of current tensions.

Syria did issue an apology, and I think that's completely fair considering the circumstances.

princeofpeace

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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"Turkey's decision to call a Nato meeting to discuss the downing of one of its warplanes by Syrian air defences is a measure of the seriousness of the current situation but it also sends a signal that, for now at least, Ankara is looking for a concerted diplomatic response rather than taking military action of its own."

"For now at least Turkey is not seeking to invoke Article 5 of the Nato treaty which would require countries to offer it practical military assistance. This is what happened after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait when Saddam Hussein threatened Turkey. Many will wonder if this episode brings the likelihood of direct external military intervention in Syria any closer. The answer is probably no."

www.bbc.co.uk...

r2d246

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 12:01 PM
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Naaaaa.... this looks too staged. They said that the ahrab spring involved them going after like 7 middle eastern countries. Syria was one of them. It's like the next one that they were targeting along with Iran. So to me I'd bet my money that it's staged aggression. You crash or shoot down a jet. Then you blame it on the enemy that you want to attack. then you put it in main stream media to get the world backing your cause to go after that country. What reason would syria possible have to go acting aggressive when they know they're in trouble already. I'm not condoning or supporting any of those countries as I know a lot of oppression happens there. but again staged agression, think about it.

christafinias

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by christafinias

That is Article IV. That means consultations. Consultations DO NOT mean that war is imminent. It's like people WANT war to happen.

Sorry i was just trying to highlight that the situation was being escalated.
I to dont believe war is, however Turkey are wanting to take matters further and it seems NATO are willing to listen.

I DO NOT want war to happen, i was just sharing some info on how the situation as it stands.

BobAthome

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 12:49 PM
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anyone have an actual full list of these nato / u.n ? Articles.
is the u.n exept from nato?
who is in charge of nato now?
enquiring minds,,,
and who is representing nato at this meeting?

Ben81

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 12:53 PM
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Ohoh Hilary is trying to act pissed

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton condemns Syrian downing of Turkish fighter jet as "brazen and unacceptable act."

Syria need to be wiped off the map first BEFORE Iran

A senior Israeli official recently told Reuters that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has decided to attack Iran before the U.S. elections in November.

They dont have much time to find a way to make the Syria Nato invasion Legal

Now that they have the plane shot down .. they can go ahead with their plan of world domination
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christafinias

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by BobAthome
reply to post by christafinias

anyone have an actual full list of these nato / u.n ? Articles.
is the u.n exept from nato?
who is in charge of nato now?
enquiring minds,,,
and who is representing nato at this meeting?

the articles are listed in a word doc on this website
www.nato-pa.int...

as for who's in charge now, as i understood it, it's a consesus. surely there is a a man at the top but i dont know who.

Kastogere

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 01:03 PM
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A question if I may........why does this matter? We all know they want in right? We all know this is gonna get ugly and there is no diplomatic solution...and everyone is just biding their time...and they want to find any excuse

So what does it matter? Seriously?

phuc em and lets go waffle stomping......antiwar-prowar doesn't matter. Its a situation thats going to occur and people will die.

So what? This thing called war happens all the time....

BobAthome

posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 01:09 PM
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ya but this one ,,is predicted too
1. last one hour
2. earthquake felt around the entire world
3. peace for a thousand years, follows.
so ya kinda might want too keep an eye on this one.

ohh and
4. no more evil.

and this kind of thing,,

www.abovetopsecret.com...

not good timming.
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