David Cameron declares war on welfare culture.

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posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 03:20 PM
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There is no problem with a progressive tax system but the rich don't pay their fair share because of the tax code loopholes and the fact they can afford the best tax attornies. Switzerland, bahamas, lichenstein, luxembourge, monte carlo, etc.

I also propose to punish those with multiple dependants so only the rich can have multiple kids and pay more taxes. The way it is now most people cannot afford to even support THEMSELVES with minimum wage jobs, let alone start a family and have kids.

And yes illegal immigration is certainly a problem because business does not report those wages to the government, therefore business can pay those illegals less than than minimum wage requirements, thus the locals cannot compete at all with the illegals.

Jobs get shipped overseas all the time so that companies can save money, unions are demonised and weakened, welfare spending may go down do to austerity, government is forced to pay more than what it collects from taxes.

Why does the government have to borrow in the first place? That is what government bonds are all about and only the wealthy can afford to buy them in the first place as well as investment firms. The rich earn interest and run the government.

Welcome to corporate slavery since the industrial revolution. Not really free at all and even communism seems a better alternative given that a job is guaranteed, a house is guaranteed, probably some form of transporation, a vacation and other basic needs.

I am not for communism though. I am for social democracy and perhaps even national socialism!




posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by bottleslingguy
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they're good to have when society breaks down, which is what is going to need to happen before anything will really change.


Yes, well when American society breaks down, it certainly will be interesting with so many gun owners in a pretty divided nation. Could get pretty ugly, but I understand many Americans have quite a nostalgic view of the Wild west.


I live in Vermont and we have the most liberal personal carry gun laws yet we have the second lowest crime/murder rate. it really defines "mutual respect" when you have no idea what someone else is carrying.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 06:00 PM
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I'm a Libertarian Ron Paul supporter, have no faith in my government any longer and welcome succession from the union. I don't expect we'll be attacked by New Hampshire anytime soon though.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 06:19 PM
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88% of all Housing Benefit Claimants are actually in work. Such is the lack of full-time and or living-waged jobs that so many are living in poverty. 3.2 Million families in work are one months paycheque away from poverty or repossession/eviction. The level of fraud in the the entire benefits system = 0.8%. In most private industry the level is 3.4%. It equates to a figure of £1.2 billion which, is 120 times less than the tax fraud perpetrated by the super-rich and the corporations ie £120 billion per annum. £16 billion in benefits is unclaimed annually. All the above are government figures. The landlords have their mortgages paid for by the low-waged, the sick and the unemployed precisely because there is practically no council housing left. They blame the unemployed for unemployment and the low-paid and homeless for poverty and homelessness. That twisted, perverse logic says that wet streets cause rain. The benefit levels in the UK are the lowest of any pan-European country ... outside of Bulgaria.


Tha bove was posted on my Faceache page, food for thought me thinks



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 12:39 AM
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Those are all very valid points and I know exactly where you are coming from. Some people really are experts and squeezing as much from the system as possible. In a way I almost admire their guile to make so much out of nothing but I'm certainly not impressed by it.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 12:46 AM
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I know, I totally agree. It's such a mine field of morals. The fat cats are by far worse than the benefit 'lifers', this country needs reform. But not in the way the Tories would have you believe, they will loot this country more than any dole dosser.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 01:11 AM
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And I definitely look forward to that.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by bottleslingguy
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I'm a Libertarian Ron Paul supporter, have no faith in my government any longer and welcome succession from the union. I don't expect we'll be attacked by New Hampshire anytime soon though.


In that case I apologise. There are many conservatives masquarading as libertarians which gets annoying after a while. I hope Ron Paul wins the republican nomination and does battle with Barack Obama. I don't care who wins between the two as long as Mitt Romney losses.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 06:57 PM
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it's sad because unless he runs as an Independent you'll probably never hear of him again. I think he's the best thing since sliced bread yet most Americans barely know he exists... still. I'm so jaded I almost hope there is societal breakdown here just to spite the people who wouldn't listen or pay attention. I have to admit, even though I recognize the suffering and misery around the world, I have it pretty good here, I really can't complain. I hope things change for the better and the rest of the world can have a better standard of living. It doesn't take much to be happy as long as you're not a filthy greedy bastard.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 12:49 PM
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I can totally comprehend your frustration. Both mitt romney and barrack obama are elitist puppets but romney is worst of the two imo. Now you know what it feels to be third party? The media makes or breaks each party and the candidates; ie the more money you have to spend and the less people you offend(good ass kisser) the better your chances at winning and then staying alive.

It has ALWAYS been like that but people are slowely starting to pick up. Fifty odd parties yet only two have ALWAYS been winning. I wonder if we ask 100 people what the libertarians stand for 90 would be totally clueless.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 01:29 PM
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its the same in the uk, its always the same 3 parties that win. wouldnt surprise me if they were all run by the same people



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 04:06 PM
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I have a sneaking suspicion that the guys who are running the show over here are the same ones running the show over by you guys. in other words it's bigger than UK or USA. Or Cameron or O'Romney.

Fritjof Capra's book Turning Point talks about how the current paradigms are unsustainable (book was written in late 80's) and we have to decentralize everything to get back into balance. The Hopi term Koyaanasquatsi comes to mind in regard to daily life today and also Terrance McKenna's idea of Timewave Zero seems relevant also. I'm hoping the big jolt that comes and straightens things out is a breakthrough with Zero-Point Energy not necessarily aliens although that would be cool if they dismantled the current power structure somehow... how did I get on aliens?????



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by DaveNorris
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its the same in the uk, its always the same 3 parties that win. wouldnt surprise me if they were all run by the same people


3 parties are better than two!



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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No parties would be even better!



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
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No parties would be even better!
Agreed. Dump them in the deepest ocean with a heavy dead weight around their necks, the directors and executives of the big banks.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by DaveNorris
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its the same in the uk, its always the same 3 parties that win. wouldnt surprise me if they were all run by the same people


3 parties are better than two!


Haha yeah....***ONLY 2 Parties*** in OZ-Land
They do whatever they want knowing that it's either one or the other which is going to get IN anyway!...



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 11:37 AM
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its all the same sh*t different suit



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 03:13 AM
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Originally posted by 0mage
Dont worry, those who love welfare so much will be the first to witness the horror it creates. when the government tells them "we own your ass" and you're going on a boat with 5 minutes training with an M4 and a rusty helmet. when you cant say no to anything they command you to do as they massacre ppl for disobeying. because they are uneducated fools, living free off the state.

Nothing is free in this capitalist world. It's always give and take.

so guess where they will take when it's time to claim their due.

There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth!


I starred your post because this is quite an interesting theory. Let's just suppose that WW3 is on the cards and I think it is. What better way to get plenty of recruits to go shed blood in strange countries?

Force as many young people as possible onto state dependency with no opportunities to get work, then offer them an 'opportunity', to go fight for their country!

If this is the plan it is working. Just three days ago a young man asked me if there were any jobs available where I work, I said no which is true. Then he said ''I think I might have to join the Army cos I just can't go on like this anymore, I can't get a job''.

I related to how he feels because I felt the same when I was unemployed.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 06:27 AM
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I completely agree with you.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 06:36 AM
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not that hed know what a work boot looks like





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