Can Eric Holder Be Charged With Treason?

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posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 10:07 PM
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Ok... so, to try and keep this cut and dry, black and white...

Current Situation:

1. War on Drugs

2. Cartels committing acts of terror.

Terrorism: Wiki


Terrorism is the systematic use of terror, especially as a means of coercion. In the international community, however, terrorism has no universally agreed, legally binding, criminal law definition.[1][2] Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for a religious, political or, ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians).


Coercion: Wiki



Coercion (play /koʊˈɜrʃən/) is the practice of forcing another party to behave in an involuntary manner (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats or intimidation or some other form of pressure or force. In law, coercion is codified as the duress crime. Such actions are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in the desired way.


These 'Cartels' are notorious for

3.War on Terrorism

The United States, and the World are currently in a war against Terrorism... It would appear appropriate(in my opinion) to label these Cartels as such. The means and characteristics of these groups echoes or reiterates just about every defining characteristic of what a terrorist is.

So far, we have identified two wars, culprits, and characteristics...

4. 2nd Amendment (right to bear arms)

The main focus of the 2nd Amendment can be summed up as the right for citizens to protect themselves from a tyrannical government.

5. Obama

Obama is not a fan of the Constitution, he holds very little ideological stances that parallel the foundation of the US. Many would make claim that he and the US government are dangerously close to fitting the description of a Tyrants.




1. A government in which a single ruler is vested with absolute power.


Could claim that Obama's use of the Executive Privilege, actions taken in Syria and a whole list of other actions taken by Obama reflect a 'tyrant'

To wrap this up...

Is it not possible that Eric Holder and gang could be guilty of treason?

Consider that we are in two wars... one against drugs, and one against terrorism, well that's exactly what these Cartels are all about!

Some have suggested that the 'end game' of such activities was to incite further violence by these Cartels. In hopes that they would use these assault rifles, and the news of such would be used to take shots at the 2nd Amendment! The very same Amendment that is necessary for the US citizens to protect themselves from the very same type of actions the current Administration is partaking in!

There's much more to be said about this, but I'd rather not rant on about it... if there is anybody willing to take on this topic and discuss it further I would be happy to!

You can't provide arms to the enemy, especially one that is known for corrupting governments, committing acts of terror... in aims of destroying or dissolving Amendments of the Constitution that are there to protect ourselves from a Government that is progressively becoming a safe house for a tyrant!

For more on this topic... check out:

What 'conspiracy' lies behind Eric Holder and 'Fast and Furious'?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

from linked thread:



Along with conservative commentators like Rush Limbaugh, Issa suggested as late as April that Fast and Furious may have been part of a policy by the White House to flood the Mexican market with guns to foment violence, which would then put political pressure back on the US to curb its wide-open border gun bazaar and weaken Second Amendment rights.




posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 10:20 PM
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What has Holder done that constitutes treason? It's the one thing you failed to point out in your post.



posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 10:22 PM
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reply to post by FractalChaos13242017
 


Treason is very specifically defined in the constitution.

IMO he is not.

However negligent homicide?
Probably.

He is responsible for putting a weapon in the hand of a killer who ended up killing a border agent and many mexicans.



posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 10:26 PM
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Treason is exactly what it is. Bush also committed treason when he declared war on iraq and afghanistan. Obama committed treason when he announced he couldnt wait for congress to act so he was gona do it himself. Obama committed treason when he invoked the war powers act with libya for obviously inappropriate reasons. And again after the 60 day period to get congressional approval. And again after the 90 day hard limit.

Nancy pelosi committed treason when she told congress not to read obamacare before voting for it........this is an obvious violation of checks and balances.

No one gives the south end of a north bound rat though. Theyll never be charged.

Call your congressman and pressure him to vote for holder to be held in contempt though....



posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by grey580
reply to post by FractalChaos13242017
 


Treason is very specifically defined in the constitution.

IMO he is not.

However negligent homicide?
Probably.

He is responsible for putting a weapon in the hand of a killer who ended up killing a border agent and many mexicans.


Did you know that if you proxy buy a gun for someone who cant, you can go to prison for ten years? Quite a few pf the purchasers in fast n furious failed the background check. The gun shops were told to sell them anyway.

Also thats over 300 counts of negligent homicide.

Isnt there an arrest warrant for holder in mexico?



posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 10:30 PM
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Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is treason....IMO...yes...guilty




posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by buster2010
What has Holder done that constitutes treason? It's the one thing you failed to point out in your post.


He knowingly provided arms to Cartels that the US is currently at war with in regards to both the War on Drugs, and the War on Terror with the intent of inciting violence that will be used as propaganda in aims of weakening the 2nd Amendment. The US Government is a government of the people and by the people... to provide arms that aim to kill one, includes providing arms to destroy the other. Considering the tactics and corruption currently and historically in Mexico with these Cartels, it's obvious that there is a very strong political connection as to the order and operations of these groups.

That's when you get into the supposed 'cover-up' of who else is involved, which may reach all the way to the top(Obama). This is possibly the ultimate 'inside job', in regards to the destruction of the US Government(what it stands for, Constitution) and the freedoms of US citizens.




Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.


This is exactly what Holder and Gang did...

If there was some great 'Obama Deception' and the progressive push towards socialism(which requires the dissolve of much of the constitution and other laws), well this would certainly fit neatly inside the play book.

Am I the only one that sees this?

It's one thing to practice liberties, and express dissent. It's another to purposely create or incite events that are to be later used in connection with propaganda that then aims to destroy one of the very foundations of what it means to be an American citizen. I'd say that it is a act of treason providing arms to be later used in transforming the Government and its laws. This also isn't necessarily just an attack to be used in changing our role of Government and its powers, but also one against the US citizens. Again... one is the same as the other... at least it should have always been.



posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by grey580
reply to post by FractalChaos13242017
 


Treason is very specifically defined in the constitution.

IMO he is not.

However negligent homicide?
Probably.

He is responsible for putting a weapon in the hand of a killer who ended up killing a border agent and many mexicans.





The Constitution does not itself create the offense; it only restricts the definition (the first paragraph), permits Congress to create the offense, and restricts any punishment for treason to only the convicted (the second paragraph). The crime is prohibited by legislation passed by Congress. Therefore the United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381 states "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States." The requirement of testimony of two witnesses was inherited from the British Treason Act 1695.


en.wikipedia.org...

The part I would like to highlight is....
"whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death

This is EXACTLY WHAT HE DID!



posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 10:40 PM
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No elite will ever be charged with treason. Hell most anyone wont be charged with it these days, as anything that destroys the country is a plus to TPTB.



posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 10:42 PM
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If Dick Cheney can't be charged with treason, no one can.



posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by Wolf321
No elite will ever be charged with treason. Hell most anyone wont be charged with it these days, as anything that destroys the country is a plus to TPTB.



It's rhetoric like that, that will be the most destructive contribution to dissolve of Freedoms for the US citizens.

Thank you for drinking the kool-aid.



posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by FractalChaos13242017
It's rhetoric like that, that will be the most destructive contribution to dissolve of Freedoms for the US citizens.

Thank you for drinking the kool-aid.


If you still think you have real freedom in this country, then tell me what beverage is in your cup. I'll have what your having, because the reality of it all sucks.



posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 11:51 PM
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Originally posted by Wolf321

Originally posted by FractalChaos13242017
It's rhetoric like that, that will be the most destructive contribution to dissolve of Freedoms for the US citizens.

Thank you for drinking the kool-aid.


If you still think you have real freedom in this country, then tell me what beverage is in your cup. I'll have what your having, because the reality of it all sucks.



Yes I still have real freedom...

I can voice my opinion, protected freedom of speech and the right to bear arms. I can vote for whoever is eligible, regardless of the 2 party rhetoric aimed at making it appear that there are only two choices.

Currently I am drinking a beer, if you'd like one... please show me your ID.

My reality isn't defined by ignorance, mine consists of the power being with the people and recognizing as well the power of self. My reality consists of not becoming an indoctrinated subservient headless sheep who sits idle and watches the leaves of grass grow unintended.

Reality only begins to suck once you have accepted the terms and conditions that others have placed over you.

We need a government and Constitution that aims to protecting our freedoms and allowing its citizens to protect themselves from a government that aims to dissolve them. Currently... I'd say we're still pretty damn free for I am currently able to have this discussion, which is the most important freedom of all.




posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by FractalChaos13242017
Yes I still have real freedom...


You have the illusion of real freedom.


I can voice my opinion, protected freedom of speech


Speech that, especially here, gets you put on watch lists. (see:Proof ATS is being watched!)


and the right to bear arms.


Certain arms, in certain ways, in certain places, and after getting approval from the goverment. All while the civilian police force and military have zero restrictions on which arms they can maintain to bear down on you.


I can vote for whoever is eligible, regardless of the 2 party rhetoric aimed at making it appear that there are only two choices.


You may be able to write in a name, but even then you have no electors for the electoral college who can vote different ways from state to state. What you want means nothing in an election, except for who you send money to.

Currently I am drinking a beer, if you'd like one... please show me your ID.


Even here, a legal adult cannot drink in most places. Sure, they can die for their country, but cannot have a beer.




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