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That's fine, but if you're looking for ACTUAL luciferianism, you'd be disappointed looking for it in Freemasonry.
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by JoshNorton
I've had dinner with the top of the pyramid and am quite comfortable with them carrying on as they have been.
I never said anything about their beliefs being "evil" or "wrong"... in fact I believe the Luciferian (not Satanic) perspective is much closer to the truth than the typical Christian indoctrination garbage.
I'm a man of letters. Any jackass with a $500 computer and a cell phone can post a YouTube video. That doesn't make it research.
Originally posted by protocolsoflove
reply to post by JoshNorton
No but you argue with faceless, anonymous internet forum posters? You guys are so quick to dismiss that which would be difficult to argue with, it's laughable.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
reply to post by protocolsoflove
Well, I'll say one thing, that Ronnie Seale is a smart guy wearing a bow-tie when he slurps his soup. Those of us with proper cravats were spilling things left and right.
But unfortunately, the philosopher forgets all the laws of equilibrium, and seeks to absorb the Light in a splendor without shadow, and movement in an absolute repose that would be the cessation of life. So long as there shall be a visible light, there will be a shadow proportional to this Light, and whatever is illuminated will cast its cone of shadow.
Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black.
LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning!
Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!
Originally posted by seabag
Which God?
Originally posted by seabag
If it isn't the father of Jesus Christ then it would be a false idol....no?
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
And Pike never wrote an edict for the “23 Supreme Councils of the world” hmmm?
That's fine, but if you're looking for ACTUAL luciferianism, you'd be disappointed looking for it in Freemasonry.
AREN'T FREEMASONS THE REAL "BORN AGAINS"? WEREN'T YOU DEAD AND RAISED?!
Didn't I just explain it to you? "Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness!" He's laughing at the people who believe that Lucifer has anything to do with Satan.
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
Clearly he accepts the nature of duality... but that does not mean he does not prefer one side over the other, because he clearly does as the following except from Morals and Dogma proves... unless you wish to live in denial and dismiss the meaning of these words:
LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning!
Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!
It is by His uttered Word that God reveals Himself to us; not alone in the visible and invisible but intellectual creation, but also in our convictions, consciousness, and instincts. Hence it is that certain beliefs are universal. The conviction of all men that God is good led to a belief in a Devil, the fallen Lucifer or Light-bearer, Shaitan the Adversary, Ahriman and Tupho_n, as an attempt to explain the existence of Evil, and make it consistent with the Infinite Power, Wisdom, and Benevolence of God.
The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahveh reversed; for Satan is not a black god, but the negation of God. The Devil is the personification of Atheism or Idolatry.
For the Initiates, this is not a Person, but a Force, created for good, but which may serve for evil. It is the instrument of Liberty or Free Will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythologic and horned form of the God PAN; thence came the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the Light-bearer or Phosphor, of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend.
What say you? Are the Christians in Barbados (and other parts of the world) justified in their skepticism of masonry?
Well, you've learned something
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
I expect to find it at "the top of the pyramid"... the peak which verges into the realm of the Illuminati... and honestly I'm not going to argue this point with you, because I know you're just going to repeat the same old nonsense over and over again about the Weishaupt Illuminati and that it no longer exists, etc etc.
Originally posted by KSigMason
For me it is the God of the Bible, of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
We require our members to have a faith, but we don't define that faith. I am Christian so when I pray or said my oaths it was to our Blessed Redeemer. My Lodge is composed of deists, Christians (of all denominations), Buddhists, Daoists, Jews, Muslims, and Hindus. When we pray, we each pray to the god of our individual faith.
Freemasonry isn't about shoving any beliefs down someone's throat.
We do not name any specific god because we are supposed to be equal in the Lodge and keep harmony. How can we say we are equal in the Lodge, but then elevate on ideology above another?
Where in Masonry do we speak of being "born again"? Actually we don't say that the works of Freemasonry alone will lead to our salvation. Nowhere in Freemasonry do we preach any salvation. We say that it is hoped that you would enter by being a pious follower of your faith, a virtuous education, and most importantly the blessing of your God.
I live according to my Christian faith, I gain a great deal of knowledge through education/research, and God grants me leave to enter His Kingdom through my very faith is against Christian teachings then we have two different views.
So as long as I spout off a few "Hallelujahs", "Amen Preacher", "Praise Jesus" and so forth I will enter Heaven, but I won't if it is by the blessing of God? How the # does that work? IMO, the zealot, self-serving "christian" is nothing more than a drone, a mouth piece, who spews out hollow words.
If anything, someone like these two arrogant, self-righteous zealots, would only cement my membership in the Masonic fraternity and further strengthen my resolve that I have been right in all of my decisions.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
That's fine, but if you're looking for ACTUAL luciferianism, you'd be disappointed looking for it in Freemasonry.
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by JoshNorton
I've had dinner with the top of the pyramid and am quite comfortable with them carrying on as they have been.
I never said anything about their beliefs being "evil" or "wrong"... in fact I believe the Luciferian (not Satanic) perspective is much closer to the truth than the typical Christian indoctrination garbage.
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by protocolsoflove
I'm Christian too my friend.
AREN'T FREEMASONS THE REAL "BORN AGAINS"? WEREN'T YOU DEAD AND RAISED?!
No.
We're not "born again" though. We're not resurrected or brought to life.