posted on Jun, 23 2012 @ 09:24 PM
Originally posted by grubblesnert
reply to post by Germanicus
I belong to my local Firefighters Union. None of what you have said applies to my local. The opposite is true. With out our union we had no
representation and no workers contract or rights. My first 5 years working here without a union was like working under a dictatorship. The past 26 (31
year total working as a Firefighter) have been a hell of a lot better
I mean that they divide them by having so many unions. Once the fight against the capitalist was easier. All workers had terrible conditions. The
capitalists invents the union to divide the worker. Now they are not united. Now they are broken up into their own selfish groups. All fighting for
themselves instead of each other. The capitalists fooled some of the skilled workers into believing that they were mini-capitalists. We were
The thing with unions is that they are a band aid solution. We are not attacking the root cause. Governments can protect the worker. Governments can
pass legislation on rates of pay and conditions. When governments do it, we can get more sensible outcomes. You only have to look at something like a
'teachers union' to see that unions breed greed. Unions work for the best result for the worker, not the most sensible and fair result. They are a
My Grandfather was a unionist and I do not think they are the worst thing in the world and the basic idea is good. but the basic concept is flawed in
my opinion. Unions often give the worker a false sense of security as well. Governments simply force arbitration these days if they cant get a
striking union to stand down. Striking is pretty much a thing of the past. Nobody has the balls to go 'wildcat'.
It just seems like a futile game of chase your tail until you get tired.
Then you also have the fact that unions are used against us. Like Bill Gates pushing for chrter schools. One of his biggest selling points is the fact
that teachers unions are so dysfunctional and greedy. It is easy to convince the public now that privatization is the way to go and soon, evil Bill
Gates and his corporatist buds will turn public schools into a business.
Its like the oligarchy just spins us around.
So why not call their bluff? Take the unions you demonic corporatist [SNIP]s. We do not need unions to destroy them. And we up the anti. We push for
nationalization of Banking and Oil. We can tear out their [SNIP]ing hearts if they wanna [SNIP] with us. Unions are not a kill shot.
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