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reply posted on 23-6-2012 @ 10:30 PM by Sinny
reply to post by Aliensun



One, its not an argument, two, they're not my original thoughts, they are physicists, so tell them its all symantics

Same goes @ JiggerJ, I don't know! Lol I'm just repeating what I read, the basic idea hurt my head, but I couldn't possibly understand the boffin stuff behind it.
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reply posted on 23-6-2012 @ 10:36 PM by reitze
Originally posted by Sinny
Originally posted by PhoenixOD
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In regard to your first sentence, mathmatics is the universal language, hence sacred geometry etc.


Show me your math and I'll show you a little bit of mine. eg: www.edans.org. So now what'ch gonna say? Did I just eat the thread?



reply posted on 23-6-2012 @ 10:45 PM by PLASIFISK
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You are so right about a " second "!

I was once asked " what happens in a second?" by a close freind of mine not here.

I answered " alot of things happens in a second, millions, billions, trillions of thing twice fold happens in a second."

He then told me " thats true from your existance, perception, and depth of an answer HERE. However, if you lived in that second, and answered from within the laws of that second, then what happend could never be past tense. There is no HAPPENED if an IT could never stop. That second is infinite. And so are you. Attach your mind to your soul which is IT, not to the world and its laws which not to long ago just HAPPENED."

His point to me was mental limitations were put there by myself and every person, and material i have interacted with here. From that i was taught and made to see limitation " laws of physics, and thermodynamics".

But the soul the consious the you of the matter is not restricted to matter.

The understanding was profound to me. Like standing inbetween two mirrors and looking through and into again and again. Sure there is a limitation due to the composition of the glass in clearity and size and distance. Also limitations in how intense my eyes can focus into a sustained point to count the reflections.

However, my consious can see the reduction down to the crystaline atomic structure. Where light nolonger reflects due to the entropies of the environment.

At anyrate.

Awsome thread.

Now, explain to me where perfection is. Yes i said where and not what for a reason.


reply posted on 23-6-2012 @ 10:55 PM by Sweetmystery
Thanks for the nice thoughts and questions here---

I do understand exactly what the Original Poster is so in Awe about! It is just so marvelous and amazing.

And that no thing can be something---yes! I think you're on to something -- :-)

This whole idea of something coming from nothing and or why numbers are significant and meaningful, all sort of goes together in a big synergistic 'vision' of Life.

Think about the fact that numbers exist because there is an actual and factual and usable and real principle behind them---numbers, written expressions, or ideas are the tangible evidence of 'something' real and absolute called arithmetic. And although arithmetic is real and is a fact--yet we cannot touch or see or taste or own the principle of arithmetic. The principle of arithmetic is everywhere, it is always here, even if we do not know anything about arithmetic, it still exists.

When a principle is real we have no way to see it's reality except by way of the symbols and things that 'stand for' the principle. We can only see a principle and know it exists and is a fact and is real by way of the symbols that represent the principle.

So we know there are facts and realities that exist but only have form in 'things' that represent that 'invisible fact'.


Then, we can think of tangible life, this world of things and form and space and time and people and history and ideas et al--- as symbol or representation of a Fact, or Reality, or Principle, that we could call the First Principle.

We can understand that there is a Principle that exists but we that we cannot see or touch or know as any physical tangible "thing' ----but we can know It by its symbol which is the world of tangible experience.

Life in tangible form is the evidence of a Real Principle that stands behind it.

This world, time, space, things, birth, death, stuff, events going on, is the 'seen' evidence of Living Reality which tells us there is Some Real and Factual Divine Principle. But no one can ever, ever see it, or own or corrupt it, or trap it, or kill it, or deplete it, or control it----Yippeee!

Like numbers, this tangible experience we call life 'comes from' something unknowable and intangible but very very Real. There is an unseen "Real" and I could call it The Life Principle (God, but not the God of limited dogmatic religions) This Unseen Fact that stands behind all this that we see, and know and can use and live.

As if this world is the 'image' (like numbers ) of First Principle that does exist, because we can 'see it' by way of this tangible world.

Is it not said that we are made in the image and likeness of God ---which would be the Unseen Fact of Being---the Divine Principle.

The 'tangible things' of this world, like numbers on a page, come and go; people and things come and go, like numbers, they can be erased, but the Principle is not harmed and does not come and go, It is always Here and always Real.

The Life Principle IS Real and must exist as the "first uncaused cause" or Intangible "nothing" that is for sure a Fact (like the principle of arithmetic is real because we can use the principle in all kinds of ways and it works, even if we cannot see or touch the principle)---

So this world is like the numbers, and the Real and Everlasting that has no beginning and no end and is not a tangible thing--- is the Divine Principle that people 'think of as God'---but, "god' is really Reality Itself as in a Principle that this world is the 'symbol' of. We are like the Divine Equation of a Divine Principle and we are still trying to work the Equation out and get it right---

I know that was a bit redundant, but wanted to be sure I explained well enough--- but it is one of those ideas that one would really need a face to face conversation to explain.

I hope some of you can get the gist of what I am pointing out here --- I think it answers a lot of the 'boggelng' questions.





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reply posted on 24-6-2012 @ 01:27 AM by Pigraphia
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It's threads like this that make me wish there was some sort of anti flag so I can give the thread a thumbs down.

Your premise is flawed as it is possible to have 0 of something.

There are 0 women in the room in which I am typing this reply, there are also 0 apples, 0 bananas and so on and so forth.

Trying to be philosophical for the sake of being philosophical is well not that philosophical.

As for your preemptive insult to those whose minds you have not boggled... it's rather sad.

Most people at least wait until they are confronted with negative comments before descending into insults.

Not that, that is a valid tactic in the first place.

Any philosopher who has taken logic 101 would tell you that insulting the audience because you were unable to convey your message properly is not only a logical fallacy but a sign of a weak argument.

Your argument should be able to stand on it's own without insults.

Other than saying that your premise is wrong I guess I'm just saying you are an attention seeker.


reply posted on 24-6-2012 @ 03:18 AM by Magantice
reply to post by Sinny



There are forces in the universe beyond our human comprehesion. If we can't comprehend it, then to us it doesnt exist.

Just remember, a hundred yrs ago, we as humanity were "bleeding people" to get the evil spirits out.


Start with comrehending vibration. Its a good place for you to start. Good luck my friend.


reply posted on 24-6-2012 @ 04:50 AM by constantwonder
You are right OP my mind is completely blown... By the fact that this thread made three pages in length.

Mathematics doesn't mix well with word play. No empty space isn't always empty and space itself is a thing.

But whats your point. You have yet to make one other than anyone who doesn't understand your rambling is feeble minded or to ignorant to get it.

So what 7 one and seven negative ones equal zero. there aren't 15 numbers there. There were seven and then the seven were taken away.

And the difference in matter and empty space is the presence of subatomic particles and their binding forces. Empty space does have the potential to contain matter but that's what it has potential. My bank account potentially could contain 1 million dollars but that doesn't mean it shares the form of 1 million dollars with a bank account that actually contains 1 million dollars. Potential is not form. You need to go back to physics and philosophy.

And what the heck does form have to do with it? Form is a Platonic metaphysical concept. And haven't you heard (since you want to bring philosophy into the sci board) Kant killed metaphysics. Why? Because it is nonsense that can't add anything to knowledge.

Also (since you seem to want to talk philosophy) nothing becomes something the moment you call it nothing you have given it a property. And from a philosophical stand point you can not even imagine something with no properties.

The universe has either always existed or sprang from nothing.... Again what is the point? Pre-beginning physics is starting to attempt solve that mystery. And from a philosophers point of view the universe must not have sprung from nothing and must have an origin in order to avoid the ugly problem of infinite regress.

All of this is very basic math physics and philosophy. None of which, I'm afraid, you seem to have a firm grasp of.

If you want to debate the philosophical implications of the term "nothing" there is a board for that, but it sure isn't sci/tech for this nonsense is neither sci nor tech....

I suggest the book Archetypes of Wisdom or anything by Kant followed by watching completely Leonard Susskind's lecture series' available free from Stanford's website.

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