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Genetically modified grass (not) blamed for mass cattle deaths in Texas

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posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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You can't win if the drones don't get you the grass will. First ones in the Fema camp get's the best bunks.




posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 10:46 AM
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this is scary.....will have to see if any more cows drop....hopefully it's an isolated incident....



posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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This should be the story of the year. Our worst conspiracy theories are coming true. I wonder if such a scenario was predicted by the scientists who are unintentionally killing us off. Could this explain all of the mass die offs in the last couple of years?

This is shocking.



posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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Wow. Way to totally misconstrue my response. I didn't say it wasn't a big deal. I corrected your impression that there was 'cyanide runoff' from this grass. There isn't. The cows INGESTED the cyandide, that the grass was producing in it's leaves. I also pointed out to you that this is known to occur in other kinds of grasses. Stick to the facts, not the fear-mongering.



posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 11:23 AM
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Thank your for the thread. I have been trying to keep this subject going by reposting the original news article on FB and MySpace as well as other social outlets. This should not fall through the cracks.

The problem I find is that immediately there are those who are saying this Tifton Bermudagrass variety is not GMO because it was "hybridized", which conjures up quaint images of Gregor Mendel in his garden cultivating peas. This could not be further from the truth.

This particular plant is a combination of three different grasses that would almost never have had the opportunity to meet in nature. These plants were selectively gathered, grown then cloned, their DNA mixed until the optimal grass was developed. This was not a nice little old guy with a brush cross pollinating different varieties of grass in a field somewhere. This plant was artificially modified in a way that nature never intended.

There will also be the people that will tell you that many forage plants produce cyanide (prussic acid), that this is common. While this is very true there are many factors that increase/decrease the amount of said poison in those plants. This is a well known problem in the ranching community and most understand the necessity of educating themselves about the forage they choose to use, how it is fertilized, how long it can be grazed and how weather conditions affect the toxicity. This is where the Tifton comes in.

This grass was developed for several reasons: growth rate, digestibility, cold tolerance. You will notice that drought resistance is not on that list. Here in TX and in most parts of the southern US we have been suffering unprecedented drought. From what I have read I understand that when this variety of grass made it from the petrie dish and was being tested in the ground that drought tolerance was not at the top of the list of things to test for. Even if it was tested for such, it was probably only tested for known drought conditions; not the extreme drought we see now.

Drought is one of the things in these types of forage that cause the plant to produce more cyanide. Why? It is a defense mechanism, carefully crafted over a billion or so years of natural selection and necessary mutation to protect the plant in times of extreme weather from the further stress of being over browsed by hungry grazers. Nature 101. (this type of defense is seen world wide in many different species of plants.) The problem here is that man's arrogance has dictated that we could do it (create new species of plants) better and faster without taking into account the millions of variables that can comprimise such an endeavor.

This particular plant also propagates via it's rhizomes instead of seed. Which is kind of a blessing inasmuch as it cannot cross pollinate. In order to kill it off though, the ground in which it has spread to would have to be sterilized.

Personally, in all my years on this planet I have never seen one example of something man made which was/is suppose to simplify or better our lives that has not backfired, sometimes to a deadly extent. Sadly I fear that we will see much more of these events in coming years, each coming closer to home.

Our hubris will destroy us.



posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 11:24 AM
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S+F

Maybe Monsanto will now sue the ranchers for the unlicensed use of cyanide from their grass...
Maybe Monsanto will now sue the neighbors of these ranchers when this GMO grass begins growing in their yards, even though no one deliberately planted it there...

The only positive thing I can see in this latest GMO travesty is if the cyanide-producing grass will kill all the SHEEP in America, and we can finally get some citizens with the cajones to DO something about Monsanto.

Sadly, when Romney is anointed to the presidency, he'll appoint Bork to the Supreme Court and it will become even further to the right and deeper into the pockets of the corporations like Monsanto, and we'll never get rid of crap like this, short of armed revolution.



posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by jaguarsky


This grass was developed for several reasons: growth rate, digestibility, cold tolerance. You will notice that drought resistance is not on that list. Here in TX and in most parts of the southern US we have been suffering unprecedented drought. From what I have read I understand that when this variety of grass made it from the petrie dish and was being tested in the ground that drought tolerance was not at the top of the list of things to test for. Even if it was tested for such, it was probably only tested for known drought conditions; not the extreme drought we see now.


You sure about that?


"Tifton 85 was selected for deep, droughty sands. It has improved drought tolerance when compared to coastal. It does okay in clay and blacklands, although black soil is not a good bermudagrass site. It can be planted in deep East Texas and as far west as Pecos and up to Lubbock, if you irrigate it."


www.texasfarmbureau.org...

Although you are correct that scientists are speculating that it was a combination of factors like draough that lead to this high level of cyanide production.
From the OP's article:



"Coming off the drought that we had the last two years ... we're concerned it was a combination of events that led us to this," Dr. Gary Warner, an Elgin veterinarian and cattle specialist who conducted the 15 necropsies, told Kelly.



posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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What makes a vet qualified to speculate on the effects of drought on GM grass???

Also the OP article says


had mysteriously begun producing cyanide gas.


gassing and not within the leaves.

and from the CBS report;

Preliminary tests revealed the Tifton 85 grass, which has been here for years, had suddenly started producing cyanide gas, poisoning the cattle

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posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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Scientists contemptuous of Gods work, convinced that they know what they are doing, what are they going to do now bring out another version? version 2 ~ cyanide free!!
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posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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I guess to get rid of the grass you will have to use RoundUp....oh wait, that was also created by Monsatan

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posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by type0civ
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What makes a vet qualified to speculate on the effects of drought on GM grass???


It's a source that disproves your entirely un-sourced and disproven claim that this was not developed for drought tolerance. ITt was. Where's yours?

Here's another:


Experiment Station showed that Tifton 85 was more drought resistant than Coastal bermudagrass, but not any more cold resistant

Tifton 85 produces best in deep, droughty sands and although it can grow in clay and blacklands, blacklands are not optimum sites for bermudagrass.

Tifton 85, developed by Dr. Glen Burton, is a hybrid bermudagrass produced from the crossing of a South African grass and Tifton 68 which is highly digestible but susceptible to cold. Tifton 85 is distinguished from other bermudagrasses by its thicker stem and broader leaves; it is also sterile and does not produce any seed


fanninswcd.com...


Also the OP article says


had mysteriously begun producing cyanide gas.


gassing and not within the leaves.


Yes, I noticed that as well. It is rather wonkily stated, and I have yet to see anything stating specifically that it was off-gassing. Cyanide gas can be produced within a plant as well. If it was actually off-gassing enough cyanide to kill a cow, there would be tons of dead birds and critters in the grass as well. It's far more likely its actually in the leaves, just as the other grasses that produce it have.


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posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by moonweed
good god......now the cattle supply is being poisoned????? wtf is next?? poultry??? seafood????


Where have you been the past 30 years?



posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by Infi8nity

Originally posted by moonweed
good god......now the cattle supply is being poisoned????? wtf is next?? poultry??? seafood????


Where have you been the past 30 years?


Don't forget the first to get poisoned were us humans....



posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 12:00 PM
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It's a source that disproves your entirely un-sourced and disproven claim that this was not developed for drought tolerance. ITt was. Where's yours?


I never made such a statement and the reason for it's development is moot at this point. The effects of it are what counts now.

And maybe the mass recent die off of animals can be links to GM products and not just this type of grass.

And a vet making such statements sounds to me like a public relations guy for the grass producer.
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posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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Tifton 85 is a hybrid bermudagrass that was jointly developed and officially released in 1992 by the USDAARS and the University of Georgia Coastal Plain Experiment Station in Tifton, Georgia. It is a cross between a selection from South Africa (PI 290884) and Tifton 68

Q & A Tifton 85
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Why is Monsanto being blamed concerning this grass? Monsanto has plenty of other screw ups, it would seem.



posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by type0civ
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It's a source that disproves your entirely un-sourced and disproven claim that this was not developed for drought tolerance. ITt was. Where's yours?


I never made such a statement and the reason for it's development is moot at this point. The effects of it are what counts now.


Yes, you did. You said:




This grass was developed for several reasons: growth rate, digestibility, cold tolerance. You will notice that drought resistance is not on that list.


And then I showed you several sources that state that it was SPECIFICALLY developed for drought conditions


And maybe the mass recent die off of animals can be links to GM products and not just this type of grass.


That's a big maybe. Pretty unlikely though.



posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by roadgravel

Tifton 85 is a hybrid bermudagrass that was jointly developed and officially released in 1992 by the USDAARS and the University of Georgia Coastal Plain Experiment Station in Tifton, Georgia. It is a cross between a selection from South Africa (PI 290884) and Tifton 68

Q & A Tifton 85
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Why is Monsanto being blamed concerning this grass? Monsanto has plenty of other screw ups, it would seem.


Because the hand-wringers dont research anything before jumping to assumptions.



posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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Hydrogen cyanide (with the historical common name of Prussic acid) is a chemical compound with chemical formula HCN.

Formation in grasses is not new.



posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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That was jaguarsky...not me.

Time for another cup of coffee....you want one?...ha ha.



posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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The name Monsanto is the GMO/Big bad Ag equivalent of Bath Salts. No need to explain or prove it equals bad with a capital B and strikes fear in most CNN ticker reading mentality Americans.



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