Turkey says Jet Downing cannot be ignored

reply to post by Rocketman7


So you see we have 456 billion to work with but we don't need that much right away. Its nice to have it sit there.

We can do some work towards the trade route then as things progress fund some lucrative projects.

Some countries might get some infrastructure based on tolls. Long term loans with a very gradual pay back is good for poor countries. The tolls are very tiny and just added to shipping costs in a larger but still insignificant amount since it is based on volume.

But if you consider that we want to get the route through to Greece since we want to encourage them back into the economy since the war may have adversely affected them. Tourism etc. But tourism is not a reliable way to make a living as a country.

And not just Greece but we want to reinvigorate the region to foster trade with Europe.

Improve markets.

So America makes a lot of money, how much do you think they spend each year on fast food?
A phenomenal amount of money. Food is a very lucrative industry.
But global trade in food and trade with the West requires very strict regulations. But companies manage to meet those regulations. To be successful though, your product must be absolutely perfect. Compete with American companies in the food industry and your product must be perfect.
If you pick up a jar of pickles, it will always and forever be the same, and people buy that same product all their lives from that one company. And ketchup as well. Now and forever, until someone unseats Heinz as king.

And almost all the products are just like that. Campbells Soup etc. Perfect every time all your life and people are so used to it, they take that for granted.

reply to post by Rocketman7


Yes organic junk food, and gluten free junk food, is doing real well right now.

In fact everything is doing real well right now. They are consumers. Put anything in front of them and they will buy it.

New products flood into markets every day, even local made products and they are tested in the marketplace.

If they are good they stay on the shelves and sell and they make a profit for the store keeper. And the people are grateful for it.

Oh did you want to sell to America too? They can afford to buy some things I suppose. But if you want to sell them food well then you should be sure it is not just ordinary food. They have that covered.

Better to sell a smaller amount as a small country and take pride in what you make and get paid well for it, then to make tons of a bulk item and try to sell it to them cheap, because much of it will be wasted and thrown away. They already can buy a frozen pizza for 5 bucks. In fact they can buy anything for 5 bucks. With a generic label. They will pay a lot for a nice package.

They don't mind paying a good price in Europe either for quality foods.

Here in North America delicatessens here are everywhere and do well. With imported products.
Specialty items.

The Middle East has its own romance and mystique. You should capitalize on that.

Originally posted by mkgandhas
Turks can go ahead.Turkey will be mortally wounded or killed if it undertakes war with Russia or syria.

Russia will not go to war with Turkey, a NATO member.

And you don't honestly think that Turkey would lose a war to Syria would you? In case you haven't read...... Modern Syria has NEVER won a war against another Country except for it's tagging along on Gulf War I. Turkey would put a whooping on them. They have Numerical, Training, Technological and Command Control advantages over Syria. Turkey is a Modern day Army and Air force. Syria has a hard time killing and keeping control over it's own civilians by comparison.

According to Damascus, it was downed with AAA gun fire 1km off shore. Here is an updated article, with flight path of the aircraft.

theaviationist.com...

Regardless if this is the coming of an attack, or just the first step, it is significant, this is just a step towards the goal,

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
I have a feeling that if Assad is deposed all christian churches that went unmolesed for years will suddenly be burnt down and their members executed. We know who wants control of Syria and why, one more stepping stone on the way to reviving the Ottoman Empire.

That shall happen, i hope not though all the christian churches or whats left of the 10% population of the christians will be either killed or forced to flee.

As in Kosovo

Hey lonewolf remember this?

Yeah i remember seeing that. It may be a video of the past but we're looking at the future results in that region of the world. If Turkey invaded Syrian airpsace then Assad had every right to order that fighter to be shot down.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
According to Damascus, it was downed with AAA gun fire 1km off shore. Here is an updated article, with flight path of the aircraft.

theaviationist.com...

According to other sources on twitter it was flying with attitude of 200 ft! meaning very close to the ground, almost as if, they wanted it to be shut down.

For what it's worth,

Turkey threatens action after Syria downs jet

news.yahoo.com...

Gul said his government was still investigating what happened, but "no one should have any doubt that whatever (action) is necessary will be taken."

Faruk Celik, the Turkish Labor and Social Security Minister, said his nation would retaliate "either in the diplomatic field or give other types of response."

"Even if we assume that there was a violation of Syria's airspace — though the situation is still not clear — the Syrian response cannot be to bring down the plane," Celik told reporters. "The incident is unacceptable. Turkey cannot endure it in silence."

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


Everything I've seen agrees that it was identified on radar as a low fast target, but it wasn't until after it was down that it was identified as a Turkish fighter. There's a video taken from a beach (complete with people in bathing suits) that shows AAA guns on the hills behind the beach opening fire, but there is no plane ever seen, or evidence that anything was hit.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Yeah i remember seeing that. It may be a video of the past but we're looking at the future results in that region of the world. If Turkey invaded Syrian airpsace then Assad had every right to order that fighter to be shot down.

edit on 23-6-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)

Keep in mind that Syria has violated Turkish territory a few times now, shooting and shelling in the area of the refugee camps inside Turkey on the border. Turkey has refrained from responding and was discussing the article IV a few months prior to this incident.

Both sides seem to be doing what they can to defuse the situation.

The incident dramatically escalated tensions between two countries whose relations were already severely strained because of Turkey'stacit support of the 16-month uprising against Syrian President Bashar Assad.

But there was a notable lack of bellicose rhetoric Saturday emanating from both capitals, Ankara and Damascus, underscoring the explosive potential of the incident.

But the overall tone of the Turkish response did not suggest that Ankara regarded the incident as a justification for war. Turkish public opinion also seemed muted, though there was some saber-rattling in the Turkish press.

On the Syrian side, a Foreign Ministry spokesman took the unusual step of calling a Turkish television channel and reassuring the Turkish people directly that the incident was an "accident" and not an act of aggression.

"There was no hostile act against Turkey whatsoever," Syrian Foreign Ministry spokesman Jihad Makdissi told Turkey's A Haber television news channel, according to a translation provided by the station and quoted by the Associated Press. "What is important now is that Turkey and Syria are working together to find the pilots."

Article

Yep this thing is going nowhere like ive been saying all along. I mean look, a NATO member has a plane shot down and 24 hours later NO RESPONSE??? That should tell you everything right there-there will be NO RESPONSE.

Or none that we 'Witness'

what happens behind the facade is a different tale

reply to post by Ben81


I still believe a bigger target will need to be attacked for this false flag Idea. Chances are if a flase flag is to happen it will be on a nato vessel in the area " Investigating" This incident. I feel it will go down as such, Nato fleet moves in, a medium to large size vessel will " Get permission" To anchor in the area of the suspected crash and divers will be trying to locate the downed aircraft. At this time, either the vessel will be hit by hostile aircraft or torpedo'd with the same line from syria/aggressor. The vessel was in our waters so we opened fire. How many times have aircraft entered, Russian, canadian, chinese, etc's airspace and been shot down immediately. Typically an attempt to contact the aircraft is made and fighters are scrambled to escort them hastily out of their airspace. Only upon no response is a shot fired. This very well could have been Turkey's attempt to show they aren't afraid, but it seems a little odd Syria fired so quickly on a fast moving jet on the skirts of their border. Syria says they were well with in, Turkey claims they were well with out, others say it was somewhere along that red grey area. Needless to say at the speed of the aircraft this happened in seconds maybe minutes so the aircraft was being watched for some time. How long does it take to discover a plane traveling at high speed, estimate altitude and speed, fire the weapon and make a hit. From the sounds of it this weapon isn't simply point and shoot if they need russian support and training for how to use it. Turkey may have made a mistake they may have been pushing it but Syria was looking to shoot them down for a little longer than the mere watery border incident.

Yes it was in Syrian Air Space, Yes they did act on self dense, Yes one of the two fighters was shot and downed with two pilots missing the other managed to land back within turkish safety and No, this was not an act of war.

that's funny, i've been ignoring it since it happened..

those turks are just a bunch of turkeys, from what i have learned of them..

Originally posted by maloy

Originally posted by Matt1951
I have read Turkey would like to make Syria part of the Turkish Empire once again.

There was never a "Turkish" Empire. And in its last days the Ottoman Empire was getting pummeled from enemies on all sides, especially Russia and Eastern Europe/Balkans. Everyone knows well enough that Turkish borders have zero chance of expanding anywhere.

Originally posted by Matt1951
At the very least, they would like to install a puppet government in Syria.

What would the Muslim Brotherhood the rest of the Islamist gangs have to say about that? And Turkey does not have enough foreign intelligence assets to make something like this happen.

Originally posted by Matt1951
The politics are lined up that if Turkey overthrew the current Syrian regime, they would be viewed as heroes by the US..

And who gives a **** about the US? I don't see any US state bordering Syria, or anywhere within thousands of miles. Whatever love affair US has with Turkey will have to stay between the two of them.

Originally posted by Matt1951
Turkey has a strong enough military to defeat just about anyone in the Middle East.

It couldn't handle Cyprus, and yet you claim it can defeat anyone in ME? Turkish military is unwieldy and cumbersome, too beuracratic, inexperienced, partially obsolete, and doesn't have anywhere near the level of logistics needed to launch a large ground invasion. Mind you, that goes for most countries in ME, except for Israel. It is not going anywhere, unless Turkey wants to find a place to bury thousands of its dead. Erdogan is a beuracrat to the extreme, and his main skill is running his mouth.



Now my main question after this incident is whether Turkey will continue its recon flights in/near Syria, and if so what would Syria do about it.

US will use its influence to back up Turkey if Turkey decides to go for it. The Ottoman Empire was the Turkish Empire, one of the greatest empires in history. I am personally opposed to this, but what the little people want makes no difference. Turkey kicked Greek butt in Cyprus; I say this having the greatest respect for Greeks as soldiers. Turkey has a large modern military, and a booming economy. Turkey can probably pull Syria into its orbit if it chooses to. Whether we like it or not.
As another example, the Soviet Union was the Russian Empire.

reply to post by cerebralassassins


So...........it seems like the F-4 was shot in international airspace, according to Turkey.

Turkey on Sunday accused Syria of shooting down one of its warplanes in international airspace, as a watchdog said the Damascus regime suffered new setbacks and violence reached new heights.
"According to our conclusions, our plane was shot down in international airspace, 13 nautical miles from Syria," Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told TRT television.

SOURCE

Originally posted by ringht_n_wrong
reply to post by cerebralassassins

 

So...........it seems like the F-4 was shot in international airspace, according to Turkey.

Turkey on Sunday accused Syria of shooting down one of its warplanes in international airspace, as a watchdog said the Damascus regime suffered new setbacks and violence reached new heights.
"According to our conclusions, our plane was shot down in international airspace, 13 nautical miles from Syria," Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told TRT television.

SOURCE

Well that is crap. No AAA gun can shoot 13 nautical miles. The plane was either in Serian Air Space or it was not shot down by AAA.

Originally posted by ringht_n_wrong
reply to post by cerebralassassins

 

So...........it seems like the F-4 was shot in international airspace, according to Turkey.

Turkey on Sunday accused Syria of shooting down one of its warplanes in international airspace, as a watchdog said the Damascus regime suffered new setbacks and violence reached new heights.
"According to our conclusions, our plane was shot down in international airspace, 13 nautical miles from Syria," Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told TRT television.

SOURCE

beat me to it

Just saw the breaking news about it that the plane was found in international waters
this is not a good news they can twist the story so bad now
and this incident might be the start of a war ..

now we can all say it is inevitable 100% sure
that soon again .. US, Nato and Israel and other puppet .. i mean allies will go into war with Syria
and very likaly Iran will also get bombarded the crap out of them
now that us know how good is syrian air defense .. they will changes their tactics
they needed to know what would happen to that plane

this only means 1 things
remember in old time before big armies go to wars with each others
they send a quick SCOUT kind of a suicide mission
to take precious inteligence of the defense ..
and now that the scout was shot down .. it is a clear sign of wars

+ it motivates the troops to avenge their fallen NATO brother
this is why article 5 was made

This reconnaissance plane was a SET UP

wake up everyone