Okay I read all that. Looks interesting. But the argument looks very weak. Like I understand some of it but some doesn't make any sense.
You seem to be the only one you can't seem to understand it, and how interesting it is for someone to take a very simple concept and claim to not
comprehend it.. Pretending to be stupid isn't a very good form of argument :/ Maybe you can quote for us what it is you did not comprehend that
everyone else hadn't had a problem with understanding.
I think also it's very biased, so therefor quoting stuff that's written by other atheists as a reference holds no water.
Sorry, I wrote that article and used quotes to highlight things and to quote other source material.. And it holds water, I suggest you actually
research the subject since those whom had done it for you wasn't good enough for you.. There is no bias in stating facts other than the facts
themselves are inherently biased.. You're basically complaining because it doesn't conform to your religious ideology to which clearly has been
constructed of the backs of others. The taking of the Pagan beliefs and the Goddess of Venus and making it evil in the Bible as an evil character is
one of the many ways Christianity used assimilation as a means to consume and destroy other religious beliefs such as Paganism. Hell, it's a tactic
used in businesses where you buy out your competition and then dissolve them.
But ultimiately, as with a lot of things to turn to reference material is not gonna solve anything.
Actually it does solve what Christianity is and why Lucifer is a fictional character stolen from Paganism.
All you have to do is look around and ask yourself... is there evil in the world, and if so then how did it come to be?
This is really easy to answer. You can only live in a quantized existence where the base rules are positive, negative, and neutral.. Negative things
happen because they can.
So ultimately what that boils down to is if you believe the bible or not. Which again boils down to the idea that if there's nothing after we die
then it won't matter.
There can never be nothing after you die. Nothing can't ever actually exist. In fact, if there was no conscious entities, existence would still exist
and persist without you, me, or any conscious entity. Existence doesn't require you to exist, you require it to exist. Hence, your logic is
backwards... As in, a conscious state can't exist without cause and thus when you die, those processes and systems that made you simply just stop
serving that function or purpose. Hence, you still technically exist even if you're dead. to give you an idea, it's like turning your computer off and
understanding why windows desktop ceases to display on your computer monitor. That image was an emergent property of the processes that made it...
Same concept when the human brain dies, or even when you lose consciousness when pulling 7 G's to where you G-lock. See video below for a
But if there is a God and you didn't prepare or get saved when you had the chance then you're going to hell.
Not only is this a poor attempt to prey on human weaknesses such as fear to brainwash someone to join in fear, it's also riding on the worst argument
known as Pascals Wager.. Easily defeated by just realizing that if anything is GOD, it would be existence itself since that is what actually governs
everything, and literally is that of everything. So if you worship existence, it's all inclusive and thus you would have every belief in and of
existence covered! Win Win!.. After all, what is GOD without existence?
And if you don't believe that it's just like any other choice you make in life that you ultimate end up responsible for.
Sorry, a true choice can't be made without omniscience, or infinitely knowing everything that would involve making an actual true choice. And since
people, nor any entity can be omniscient, choices are for the most part guesses, and the better ones being informed guesses. So you let me know when
your deity will grant me omniscience so I can make a real choice, and not one pushed through the preying on ignorance.
Like I've had a lot of instances where I believe this or that was from God or even from the devil. But neither being is gonna knock at my door and
Good indication of fictional characters. I don't expect a Pixie fairy to either, or an imaginary friend. And again, there is no specific character in
the bible called the devil, or Satan for that matter... Satan in your bible only means to appose, or that which apposes your religion..No different in
how you are evil child molester in the eyes of scientologists for apposing their religion.
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