posted on Jun, 24 2012 @ 09:38 AM
reply to post by EvanB
It's consultations, because they need assurances that *IF* Article 5 is invoked, NATO will have the equipment and the will to honor the treaty, and
have their back. You don't just yell "ARTICLE 5" and expect everyone to run to your aid. The consultations will give everyone an idea of what
equipment will be brought *IF* necessary, and who will do what.
Even if equipment IS on the move, none of this automatically means that they're going to war. This is a minor incident, even if the pilots were
killed. Turkey has a lot on its plate right now. Consultations do NOT mean war is inevitable.
Turkey invokes Article 4
“Turkey already has discussed with NATO, during our ministerial meetings over the last two days, the burden of Syrian refugees on Turkey, the
outrageous shelling across the border from Syria into Turkey a week ago, and that Turkey is considering formally invoking Article 4 of the
North Atlantic Treaty,” said Clinton on Thursday, during a ministerial meeting of the “Friends of Syria” group. The minutes of the meeting are
posted on the website of the State Department. The “Friends of Syria” group brings together the US, European and Arab nations as well as Turkey,
which seek the ouster of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. Article 4 of the NATO charter says that the Allies “consult together whenever, in the
opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the parties is threatened.”
Two Turkish nationals and two Syrians were injured in a refugee camp in Kilis province when Syrian forces fired across the border during clashes with
opposition fighters, who reportedly had attempted to seize control of the border gate and then fled to Turkey earlier this month. Erdoğan called the
incident a border violation and said Turkey would pursue measures under international law in response, raising prospects of military retaliation.
On Wednesday, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said during a NATO ministerial meeting in Brussels that Turkey has not yet asked for NATO
help in regards to the border incident.
Earlier, Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said “NATO has responsibilities to protect the Turkish border according to Article 5,”
referring to the border incident. Article 5, known as the collective defense clause, commits NATO states to defend a member state when it comes under
But Leon Panetta, the US defense secretary, cast doubts on the prospects of a NATO intervention in the Turkish-Syrian border tensions under Article 5,
saying in a speech at a US congressional committee that it would be a far-fetched measure.
Panetta, during his address to the Armed Services Committee of the US House of Representatives on Thursday said resorting to NATO collective defense
in regard to the tension along the Turkish-Syrian border would be “going beyond” Article 5 according to a report by the Anatolia news agency on
“It should be laid bare that there was a direct threat from Syria on Turkey. Under present conditions it [invoking Article 5] would go beyond the
norms of the article,” Panetta was quoted as saying by Anatolia.
Let's look at Article 4.
The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the
Parties is threatened.
So all they've done is ask to TALK to NATO members, because they feel their territorial integrity is threatened. And how exactly is it NOT
threatened? Syria has shelled across the border into Turkey, wounded Turkish troops, killed Turkish troops, supposedly Syrian rebels tried to seize a
Turkish border crossing..... How does this NOT threaten their integrity?
Article 4 does NOT mean "it's on" or "it's coming". It means NATO members are going to TALK about a POSSIBLE response to what's going on.