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Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney

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posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by SimonPeter
Cheney had Rumnsfeld issue a directive where by the White House would be contacted to ask permission before any fighter escorts would be dispatched . I can't believe that you never heard this . It was well known .


And that has something to do with Cheney ordered NORAD to stand-down on 9/11 how exactly?




posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by trysts

Originally posted by maxella1
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I'm still looking, but I haven't figured out an imaginative way to get an answer to my query on google, therefore the only conclusion on the matter is that anti-aircraft battery at the Pentagon is either non-existent, or is not disclosed. It appears that you won't accept the idea that it is reasonable to assume that there must be anti-aircraft battery at the Pentagon, because you say the civilian airports in the area would be in danger of accidents. That's understandable.


I agree that it is reasonable to assume that a building of such importance has some kind of defense system, especially since there is history of crazy people trying to fly civilian aircraft into the White House. Also it is reasonable to assume that such information would be classified.
What is not reasonable in my opinion is to assume that 9/11 happened without help from the inside of our government. And even if the inside help was in the form of extreme stupidity and gross negligence whoever was asleep on the job should be identified and held accountable. If you want to believe that there were no criminal activity but only incompetence in the government that's fine but no matter how much money you spend on defense these morons will do the same thing again unless they are dealt with in the court of law. But for some reason the ATS embedded debunkers think that I'm on a witch hunt because this is what I believe.


It is frustrating that I haven't found anything relating to a missile defense system at the Pentagon, but I have been reading about surface-to-air missiles. Upon reading about STAMs, I believe it would be kind of ridiculous not to have these weapons, where a person can just station themselves outside the Pentagon to fire at incoming aircraft. I agree with you agreeing with me(lol), that it seems reasonable to assume that the Pentagon does have a defense system which does not require jets to be "scrambled". If the Pentagon did not have such a system, and relied entirely upon NORAD to defend that building(which is almost like a "city", from what I've read), then it is much more than suspicious to engage in military exercises which left the building defenseless. Again, yet another reason to believe that 9/11 was perpetrated with the help of inside information, complicity, and a following cover-up of the truth of that day.


I have hard time believing that Military Top Brass and especially people like Rumsfeld would work there if it wasn't protected. Just think about it...



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by trysts

Originally posted by 911files

Originally posted by trystsI'm not a retired bartender. lol. Mineta said the "young man" was telling Cheney that the plane is coming into the "Pentagon". It's reasonable to assume that the order was NOT to shoot that plane down, simply because it was not shot down, even though the Pentagon is equipped to shoot planes down.


And Mineta was not there to hear anything said when AAL77 came into the Pentagon. So he had to be talking about the TSD plane coming into the Pentagon much later which created a lot of panic everywhere, including the Pentagon. Or did you miss all of that video footage showing that later evacuation of the Pentagon area?

Could you post a link please, showing an evacuation?



Television archive Enjoy



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by cenpuppie
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"Loose Change" touches base on this. The military had no jets they could scramble in an emergency except like 2, seriously. All of the planes that could've been scrambled at that moment's notice were out of the country or doing exercises.. all of them.


No they were not. NEADS had 4 available on standby, 2 at Otis and 2 at Langley. Other fighters were available, but required longer intervals to bring online. By the end of the day, the sky was full of fighters. Andrews AFB of course is a prime example. They had three fighters that were actually airborne that day. However, these were on a training mission in North Carolina. They had to be recalled, landed, fueled, armed and re-launched before they were of any use in an air defense mission.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:12 PM
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Well, it wouldn't be the first time that an inside job believer admitted they had a hard time accepting reality. The Pentagon does have a security force, just not the AA systems that so many misinformed people think it had.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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Aaron Russo knew someone in on it



find the historic interview with Aaron Russo...


9/11/01 was a false flag operation....i have no doubt..

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posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by samkent
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Do a google map of the Pentagon.
Reagan national is almost exactly one mile away. Also it has one runway exactly in line with the Pentagon.
At 200 mph we are talking 17 seconds flight time.
Just who would you entrust the trigger to?

I don't understand you. What do you mean by "...who would you entrust the trigger to"? I assume you mean if an incoming missile is about to strike the Pentagon, then who would I trust to shoot it down? Probably a computer attached to an Russian S300 anti-missile system(god, I sound like I'm in the military! lol).



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by vipertech0596
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Well, it wouldn't be the first time that an inside job believer admitted they had a hard time accepting reality. The Pentagon does have a security force, just not the AA systems that so many misinformed people think it had.


So does it have the AA system now?



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by 911files

Originally posted by trysts

Originally posted by 911files

Originally posted by trystsI'm not a retired bartender. lol. Mineta said the "young man" was telling Cheney that the plane is coming into the "Pentagon". It's reasonable to assume that the order was NOT to shoot that plane down, simply because it was not shot down, even though the Pentagon is equipped to shoot planes down.


And Mineta was not there to hear anything said when AAL77 came into the Pentagon. So he had to be talking about the TSD plane coming into the Pentagon much later which created a lot of panic everywhere, including the Pentagon. Or did you miss all of that video footage showing that later evacuation of the Pentagon area?

Could you post a link please, showing an evacuation?



Television archive Enjoy

Hilarious!



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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Not that I have seen. The 113th of the DCANG, now stands 24/7/365 alert at Andrews. At one point, at various places around the city, there were mobile units, but those I believe were all discontinued except for special events in the Capitol.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:30 PM
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The point is, how do you make the decision to fire? Is that airliner hostile OR is it shooting a missed approach at Reagan. Either way, in the time you have taken to read this post, you will have had to make the decision, triggered the system, and then hoped like hell you've managed to drop it somewhere its NOT going to kill a bunch of people on the ground.

Its not enough time by any stretch.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
Even if you had video footage of dick cheney plotting the 911 attacks, and OBL was chillin' with GWB in the backround, and a close family relative was there pointing to Dick's crude drawing of a tower "falling down," I wouldn't believe it.

Even if Jesus Christ came to earth for the second coming and was captured on film, and presented as a 'live event' during a peak viewing hour for MSM television, and said he wanted everyone to know 911 was an inside job as he floated down onto the surface of a lake and began to walk on water, I WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT.

Even if the aliens landed on the white house lawn with evidence that they were a multi dimensional species and wanted to enlighten us in various ways. One of these ways included being able to look into the past with their technology and showed a conversation between Dick Cheney and Israel MOSSAD agents about how they should take the towers down, I WOULDN'T believe it.

NANANANANA, *Put fingers in ears and yells so he can't hear you talking!!!!!!*



I like you.

Either you an even bigger smart ass than me which I love.

or

You are serious which makes me laugh out loud at you.

Either way, you're ok in my book.

: (no reason given)
lol:

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posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by vipertech0596
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Not that I have seen. The 113th of the DCANG, now stands 24/7/365 alert at Andrews. At one point, at various places around the city, there were mobile units, but those I believe were all discontinued except for special events in the Capitol.


I assume that it wasn't like that prior to 9/11 because we had no enemies with airstrike capability..

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just shocked that it might be true.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:49 PM
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When President George HW Bush signed the order terminating SAC's 24/7/365 aircraft in the air alert, at the end of the Cold War, we lost 90% of our Continental Air Defense. When the Soviet Union collapsed our politicians fell all over.themselves to cut the.military so they could spend.the "Peace Dividend" on social programs.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by vipertech0596
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When President George HW Bush signed the order terminating SAC's 24/7/365 aircraft in the air alert, at the end of the Cold War, we lost 90% of our Continental Air Defense. When the Soviet Union collapsed our politicians fell all over.themselves to cut the.military so they could spend.the "Peace Dividend" on social programs.


Is there any record of that available online?



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by vipertech0596
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The point is, how do you make the decision to fire? Is that airliner hostile OR is it shooting a missed approach at Reagan. Either way, in the time you have taken to read this post, you will have had to make the decision, triggered the system, and then hoped like hell you've managed to drop it somewhere its NOT going to kill a bunch of people on the ground.

Its not enough time by any stretch.


Oh, you mean a plane coming from Reagan Airport crashing into the Pentagon? I imagine that would be an inescapable accident. A missile defense system at the Pentagon would probably be for offensive missiles from afar, which the Pentagon would be tracking. I'm sure countries have a missile defense system protecting their high-priority areas, except the U.S., of course



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:55 PM
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If you want to pay to search.the archives of any news magazine or newspaper from back then. There were plenty of stories.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by vipertech0596
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If you want to pay to search.the archives of any news magazine or newspaper from back then. There were plenty of stories.


Nothing comes up on Google.. If anybody know where it is available I will appreciate it.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by 911files

Originally posted by SimonPeter
Cheney had Rumnsfeld issue a directive where by the White House would be contacted to ask permission before any fighter escorts would be dispatched . I can't believe that you never heard this . It was well known .


And that has something to do with Cheney ordered NORAD to stand-down on 9/11 how exactly?


Cheney had NORAD stood down and was running a war exercise with a complete Norad Radar system in front of him and saw everything that was going on real time but you must have done the research on it or maybe you didn't care enough . Just because you didn't care enough to research it doesn't mean it didn't happen . The exercise was what if terrorist fly jetliners into the WTC and Pentagon . You can access this report if you want . Norman Mineta attested before Congress that Dick Cheney was running war exercises at 9:00 am when he arrived at the BUNKER where all the radar screens were located . Dick denied it . Norman Mineta was the Secretary of Transportation .



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 10:06 PM
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Umm, we don't have anti-missile systems protecting government buildings now. What would make you think we had them back then?



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