Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney

reply to post by trysts


No, it's not reasonable to assume that the Pentagon has anti aircraft weaponry. It lies in the approach of Reagan National.

reply to post by JiggyPotamus


Do you or do you not understand that two of the jets had hit their targets before it was understood we were under attack? Until you understand that, it is pointless for you to even discuss the subject.

Originally posted by Reheat

Originally posted by trysts

Originally posted by Reheat

Originally posted by trysts

I'm not a retired bartender. lol. Mineta said the "young man" was telling Cheney that the plane is coming into the "Pentagon". It's reasonable to assume that the order was NOT to shoot that plane down, simply because it was not shot down, even though the Pentagon is equipped to shoot planes down.

Then go mix yourself a drink or two and and stop posting false information. How is the Pentagon equipped to shoot planes down? You need to prove that with a credible source because that is FALSE information.... You can't because there are none.

edit on 22-6-2012 by Reheat because: (no reason given)

It is reasonable to assume that the Pentagon is equipped with anti-aircraft weaponry. It is the Pentagon afterall. I have no doubt about it, but I can't promise that I'll have a "credible source" for you without browsing the Internet for a spell. But, since you said it is "false", I would like a credible source which says so, if you don't mind

BTW, I'm enjoying looking through stuff about this particular point of that day, so try not to be so crabby, please

It doesn't work that way. You need to prove what you continue to post as fact, obviously only due to your incredulity. Reversing the burden of proof and expecting me to prove a negative is child like behavior.

You can take as long as you like to prove your point. Likely, you'll never post again because there is no credible source. Oh, you'll find idiots who say there are underground bunkers and such on conspiracy theorists sites, however no credible source exists because there are none...

Pssst - You do realize there is a major airport very nearby the Pentagon, don't you? Or are you so spaced out with incredulity that you don't know where the Pentagon is located? Aircraft on arrival and departure pass very close to the building on a frequent basis and those in decision making positions have had more sense than the typical internet junkie to not take the risk inherent with an Air Defense system that might just accidentally shoot down a commercial aircraft full of people. It has happened before...more than once...

I'm still looking, but I haven't figured out an imaginative way to get an answer to my query on google, therefore the only conclusion on the matter is that anti-aircraft battery at the Pentagon is either non-existent, or is not disclosed. It appears that you won't accept the idea that it is reasonable to assume that there must be anti-aircraft battery at the Pentagon, because you say the civilian airports in the area would be in danger of accidents. That's understandable.

Originally posted by boncho

Bowman (pictured below right) stated that at the bare minimum if Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were involved in 9/11 then the government stood down and allowed the attacks to happen. He said it is plausible that the entire chain of military command were unaware of what was taking place and were used as tools by the people pulling the strings behind the attack.

About the most sensible, realistic conspiracy theory one can have on the event.

Once you start leaning towards mass coverups, no planes, laser beam weapons.. You are off in la la land.

Yeah, I also think the idea that explosives were planted is also definitely possible. And the whole thing smells like Mossad was involved. But I was watching a YouTube video that was explaining how it was caused by time/space manipulation earlier.

Robert M. Bowman was no advocate of the Star Wars program, but he certainly believed the official 911 story was a crock.
en.wikipedia.org...

Despite his involvement with space programs and defense, he emerged as an early public critic of the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI, also aka "Star Wars") during the Ronald Reagan administration.

Also:

Robert M. Bowman (born 1934) is a former Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S. Air Force in the Ford and Carter administrations

The Shift Frequency author messed that up.

The article eludes to this Cheney allegation came from an April 4, 2006 interview with The Alex Jones Show aired nationally. An eight year old allegation and this is a hot news item???

He is definitely someone who is in a position to know more than most.


Col Bob Bowman's Open Letter
To US Military Officers
rense.com...

....Also in hindsight, President Bush could be court-martialed for abuse of power as Commander-in-Chief. Vice President Cheney could probably be court-martialed for his performance as Acting Commander- in-Chief in the White House bunker the morning of September 11, 2001 .

Bowman starts speaking at about 2:55

This isn't anything new He goes on Alex Jones' show all the time. Even appeared in one of his documentaries saying he believes the towers were controlled demolition.

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I'm still looking, but I haven't figured out an imaginative way to get an answer to my query on google, therefore the only conclusion on the matter is that anti-aircraft battery at the Pentagon is either non-existent, or is not disclosed. It appears that you won't accept the idea that it is reasonable to assume that there must be anti-aircraft battery at the Pentagon, because you say the civilian airports in the area would be in danger of accidents. That's understandable.

I agree that it is reasonable to assume that a building of such importance has some kind of defense system especially since there is history of crazy people trying to fly civilian aircraft into the White House. Also it is reasonable to assume that such information would be classified.
What is not reasonable in my opinion is to assume that 9/11 happened without help from the inside of our government. And even if the inside help was in the form of extreme stupidity and gross negligence whoever was asleep on the job should be identified and held accountable. If you want to believe that there were no criminal activity but only incompetence in the government that's fine but no matter how much money you spend on defense these morons will do the same thing again unless they are dealt with in the court of law. But for some reason the ATS embedded debunkers think that I'm on a witch hunt because this is what I believe.

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Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by LifeInDeath

 

Not to defend Cheney, I think the guy's a piece of you-know-what, and fully capable of such an act, but if there's going to be some sort of story like this I want it coming from a better source.

Exactly what has Cheney done to make you feel this way about him?
You must have something specific reason. Did he kick a puppy somewhere?
Is it because he worked for the CIA?

If you remember he had already had a couple of heart attacks before he took office. Plus a couple of episodes with his heart while in office. My impression is that once you have your second attack you give up any dreams of being king of the world and are quite happy to celibrate another birthday with your family.

I would like to know why Cheney seems to be the whipping boy of 911.

If you really want to know you would have read where Cheney was running a war game that exactly replicated the events of 911 on the very day it happened . This he did after stating that America needed a new Pearl Harbor to get us into more Middle East wars one of which we had troops ready to fight the Taliban 2 days before 911 . in that war Cheney was trying to get the Afghanistan pipeline built and promised the belligerent Taliban a CARPET OF GOLD OR A CARPET OF BOMBS if they did not agree .

Originally posted by Screwed
reply to post by Numbers33four

 

I do not presume to know but I do have a fertile imagination which allows me to see possibilities that others may not.

For all we know Cheney saved the planet by going along with this.

How?

Let your imagination run wild.
Don't let me have all the fun.

Sometimes the truth is truely stranger than fiction.

This is the aspect that always gets me - as phugged as it is, it My have been an inside job, without which we would have been having a nuclear war with Russia. We know sooooo little as to what is going on behind the scenes, and all of the seeming justifications (oil, weapons money, stealing trillions from the treasury, etc.) may be well beyond tertiary reasons.

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Do a google map of the Pentagon.
Reagan national is almost exactly one mile away. Also it has one runway exactly in line with the Pentagon.
At 200 mph we are talking 17 seconds flight time.
Just who would you entrust the trigger to?

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Did you know that Dick Cheney had NORAD stood down . He was running a war exercise that mirrored the actual events . He could have called for fighter escorts at any time but only did when the plane was coming back to him . As a standard when an aircraft goes off course while under Air Traffic Control and or does not respond to ATC calls a call is made by the ATC and a f-16 escort is dispatched quickly but Cheney changed this 3 months earlier . Bush didn't get in Cheney's way too much .

Even if you had video footage of dick cheney plotting the 911 attacks, and OBL was chillin' with GWB in the backround, and a close family relative was there pointing to Dick's crude drawing of a tower "falling down," I wouldn't believe it.

Even if Jesus Christ came to earth for the second coming and was captured on film, and presented as a 'live event' during a peak viewing hour for MSM television, and said he wanted everyone to know 911 was an inside job as he floated down onto the surface of a lake and began to walk on water, I WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT.

Even if the aliens landed on the white house lawn with evidence that they were a multi dimensional species and wanted to enlighten us in various ways. One of these ways included being able to look into the past with their technology and showed a conversation between Dick Cheney and Israel MOSSAD agents about how they should take the towers down, I WOULDN'T believe it.


NANANANANA, *Put fingers in ears and yells so he can't hear you talking!!!!!!*

Cheney had Rumnsfeld issue a directive where by the White House would be contacted to ask permission before any fighter escorts would be dispatched . I can't believe that you never heard this . It was well known .

Originally posted by 911files

Originally posted by trysts

Originally posted by 911files

Originally posted by trysts

Originally posted by samkent
What Mineta did say was that Cheney said "The order still stands".

No where can I find that Cheney said "stand down".

The truthers spinning machine invented the 'stand down' thing.

Prove Cheney said 'stand down'.

True. We don't have him saying "stand down", but we do have someone who was there telling Mineta what was said. So I was wrong in leading you to believe that we have direct video evidence of Cheney saying that. Sorry.

Okay, how about a link to that guys statement?

www.youtube.com...

Why do you guys keeping linking stupid YouTube videos that have nothing to do with the subject matter on the table? We are asking for evidence to support that Cheney ordered a stand-down.

Originally posted by trysts
I'm still looking, but I haven't figured out an imaginative way to get an answer to my query on google, therefore the only conclusion on the matter is that anti-aircraft battery at the Pentagon is either non-existent, or is not disclosed. It appears that you won't accept the idea that it is reasonable to assume that there must be anti-aircraft battery at the Pentagon, because you say the civilian airports in the area would be in danger of accidents. That's understandable.

Keep looking!

Here's some help:

www.jod911.com...
www.youtube.com... (Since most "truthers" like utube)
www.911myths.com...
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Originally posted by maxella1
reply to post by trysts

 

I'm still looking, but I haven't figured out an imaginative way to get an answer to my query on google, therefore the only conclusion on the matter is that anti-aircraft battery at the Pentagon is either non-existent, or is not disclosed. It appears that you won't accept the idea that it is reasonable to assume that there must be anti-aircraft battery at the Pentagon, because you say the civilian airports in the area would be in danger of accidents. That's understandable.

I agree that it is reasonable to assume that a building of such importance has some kind of defense system, especially since there is history of crazy people trying to fly civilian aircraft into the White House. Also it is reasonable to assume that such information would be classified.
What is not reasonable in my opinion is to assume that 9/11 happened without help from the inside of our government. And even if the inside help was in the form of extreme stupidity and gross negligence whoever was asleep on the job should be identified and held accountable. If you want to believe that there were no criminal activity but only incompetence in the government that's fine but no matter how much money you spend on defense these morons will do the same thing again unless they are dealt with in the court of law. But for some reason the ATS embedded debunkers think that I'm on a witch hunt because this is what I believe.

It is frustrating that I haven't found anything relating to a missile defense system at the Pentagon, but I have been reading about surface-to-air missiles. Upon reading about STAMs, I believe it would be kind of ridiculous not to have these weapons, where a person can just station themselves outside the Pentagon to fire at incoming aircraft. I agree with you agreeing with me(lol), that it seems reasonable to assume that the Pentagon does have a defense system which does not require jets to be "scrambled". If the Pentagon did not have such a system, and relied entirely upon NORAD to defend that building(which is almost like a "city", from what I've read), then it is much more than suspicious to engage in military exercises which left the building defenseless. Again, yet another reason to believe that 9/11 was perpetrated with the help of inside information, complicity, and a following cover-up of the truth of that day.

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Ignorance is the direct decision to not know things that may trouble you and has little to do with intelligence . So many people make the decision to disregard anything that complicates their existence because they can't stand the truth . Thus we are called TRUTHERS because we challenge the BS we get from powers that be . And these "ignorant " people will attack any challenge to their LA LA Land life that they have so carefully crafted . Then there are the "sheeple " that believes whatever their trusted officials say .
I run into people who say I really just don't want to know . These are the very people who help facilitate the marching on of the Global Plot to enslave us .

Originally posted by karen61057
Once again I have to say this. If this was true or even partly true we would be seeing this on the news. They would be talking about this on the Today Show and Good Morning America. We are not seeing that because this is just more BS.

You've got to be kidding, right? The Today Show and Good Morning America? Are you sure you're on the right web site?

Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by trysts

 

Do a google map of the Pentagon.
Reagan national is almost exactly one mile away. Also it has one runway exactly in line with the Pentagon.
At 200 mph we are talking 17 seconds flight time.
Just who would you entrust the trigger to?

Hey... nuclear reactors are pretty close to populated cities all around the world who do we entrust to run them?

You people amaze me...

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"Loose Change" touches base on this. The military had no jets they could scramble in an emergency except like 2, seriously. All of the planes that could've been scrambled at that moment's notice were out of the country or doing exercises.. all of them.

Does this video make sense in this thread? I don't know I kinda wanted to put it in here because of the imagery of potential connections of corruption that goes back a long time: