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posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 04:44 AM
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You guys are actually making me think 9/11 was an inside job.




posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 04:58 AM
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I'm not making a comment on what he says specifically, but why do "Truth Movement" sources always exaggerate the credentials of the person involved? Dr Bowman was doubtless a man of rank, but it's not true to say he was head of the 'Star Wars' programme, so why pretend that he was?



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 06:09 AM
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Don't worry about it, Numbers33four has been posting nonsensical garbage since the day he joined.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 06:10 AM
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Originally posted by Screwed

Let your imagination run wild.
Don't let me have all the fun.



I'll join in the fun, a little ...

Imagine a world, of Kings and Queens. People of riches, and people of powerty ... to be able to rule, or to govern. The people must be dependant on you. There must be a relationship between those who rule, and those who are ruled, similar to the relationship between landowners and peasants.

The existance of the New World, disturbed this balance ... balance which Dick Cheney helped, and his afterbearers are helping in re-establishing.

The destruction of the Two Towers (symbolic?) is just a start ... it symbolizes the tear-down of the world economy, where Trade Centers had been raised around the world, prior to the fall of the soviet union. With the fall of the Soviet Union, the people have no champion. Without Communism, there is no need to feed the public, because there is no one, to defend the rights of the public ... the rights of the people.

Stand Up, Gentlemen ... Heil Cheney, Heil Bush ...



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 06:50 AM
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Not to defend Cheney, I think the guy's a piece of you-know-what, and fully capable of such an act, but if there's going to be some sort of story like this I want it coming from a better source.

Exactly what has Cheney done to make you feel this way about him?
You must have something specific reason. Did he kick a puppy somewhere?
Is it because he worked for the CIA?

If you remember he had already had a couple of heart attacks before he took office. Plus a couple of episodes with his heart while in office. My impression is that once you have your second attack you give up any dreams of being king of the world and are quite happy to celibrate another birthday with your family.

I would like to know why Cheney seems to be the whipping boy of 911.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by plube
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Actually i will say your off on this Bush and Saudi thing...with in two hours of 911 Netanyahu Blames Al Qaeda..
So the saudi connection has quickly become a diversion...and it was a diversion created on purpose.



That's because Netanyahu supplied the group of hackers but Bush didn't know because he is so stupid. In fact if it wasn't for his Saudi friends Bush still wouldn't even know that 9/11 wasn't an accident.

Don't believe me...... Just ask GoodolDave how stupid Bush is.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 07:19 AM
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Okay, so someone posted this link in another thread :

Proof That 9/11 Truthers Are Dangerous




Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg said that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is "far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers". He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11. And he said that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible, that "very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been", that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration, and that there's enough evidence to justify a new, "hard-hitting" investigation into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath (see this and this).

A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials (Raymond McGovern) said “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke”, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job.

The Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as Senior Analyst from 1966 - 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College from 1986 - 2004 (Melvin Goodman) said "The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup."

Congressmen:
According to the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, an FBI informant had hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House (confirmed here)

Current Republican Congressman Ron Paul calls for a new 9/11 investigation and states that "we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on"

Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee Curt Weldon has shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job

Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus) says "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence."



Are we suppose to think these people are just trying to make a dollar? These people aren't some Alex Jones/Judy Woods mother f*ckers, these are officials of the US Government, both past & present. I'm not saying this is 100% proof, but my real question is are we really suppose to doubt what these people say? Open the link because there's links within the page that show the sources for each person listed.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 07:33 AM
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Bush and Cheney were both in on it, but everyone seems to forget how HUGE this event was, the higher ups in the shadow government were *really* pulling the strings, where was your beloved, almighty NSA???

Hmmm. Everyone forgets to link the BIG DOGS, to busy bitchin about the Pentagon and CIA, that's what they want, because they can make excuses up for them, what's the excuse for the likes of the NSA and their SUPER SURVEILANCE?

Come on, catch up.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 07:35 AM
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Cheney is the "whipping" boy, because he ordered the Pentagon defence (the *last* line of defence) to stand down and allow the planes to hit.
edit on 22-6-2012 by Sinny because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 07:45 AM
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Israel played a part in 911, does not translate to israel did 911.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 08:12 AM
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Once you start leaning towards mass coverups, no planes, laser beam weapons.. You are off in la la land.


Exactly, and who do you think was out there putting those theories on the internet?

The only cover up is the fact that this wasn't a surprise attack, and what's worse, rogue elements within the US government and defense department helped this happen, either through inaction, or direct action.

I'm still not buying OBL had anything to do with it. If he did, why would they have to put out a fake video of him claiming responsibility, while an actual reporter who interviewed him was told, by OBL, that he had no part in it, and didn't support it as it was a soft target, it wasn't military or a real tangible target.

The fact that before the towers even fell, most of the news stations were blaming OBL should make the hairs on your neck stand up.

When people say inside job and false flag, I'd like to think the majority are saying what I just said, a few well placed rogue agents, not the entire chain of command.

for something like this to work, the amount of people "in the know" has to be kept small, as well, the groups within have to be kept separate.

Much like the Manhattan Project, the left hand can't know what the right hand is doing.

Do I think Cheney had anything to do with this other than possibly letting it happen, no, I really don't.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
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Once you start leaning towards mass coverups, no planes, laser beam weapons.. You are off in la la land.


Exactly, and who do you think was out there putting those theories on the internet?

The only cover up is the fact that this wasn't a surprise attack, and what's worse, rogue elements within the US government and defense department helped this happen, either through inaction, or direct action.

I'm still not buying OBL had anything to do with it. If he did, why would they have to put out a fake video of him claiming responsibility, while an actual reporter who interviewed him was told, by OBL, that he had no part in it, and didn't support it as it was a soft target, it wasn't military or a real tangible target.

The fact that before the towers even fell, most of the news stations were blaming OBL should make the hairs on your neck stand up.

When people say inside job and false flag, I'd like to think the majority are saying what I just said, a few well placed rogue agents, not the entire chain of command.

for something like this to work, the amount of people "in the know" has to be kept small, as well, the groups within have to be kept separate.

Much like the Manhattan Project, the left hand can't know what the right hand is doing.

Do I think Cheney had anything to do with this other than possibly letting it happen, no, I really don't.


The Enron Pipeline Connection To 9/11 by Justice Department's Attorney John Loftus




A highly reliable confidential client source who wishes to remain anonymous has promised to send me an FBI copy of a high-level Al Qaida report dating back to the embassy bombings in Africa several years ago. The email report was captured in Africa from the computer file of a senior aid to Osama Bin Laden. My client has obtained this document through lawful means.

The email report, written by Al Qaida's head of military operations, Mohammd Atef, describes Al Qaida's view of ongoing secret pipeline negotiations between the US oil companies and the Taliban to build a pipeline through Afghanistan.

This Atef report was almost certainly reviewed by the late John O'Neill at the time of the Embassy bombing, shortly after the Al Qaida report was written. At the time, O'Neill was the FBI agent in charge of the Embassy bombing investigation. The shocking pipeline information may explain why O'Neill became fixated about the Saudi-Taliban-Al Qaida relationship for the few remaining years of his life.

After O'Neill's investigations were repeatedly shut down by his superiors, O'Neill allegedly began making discreet inquiries to French intelligence using two reporters as cut-outs. Both reporters were known consultants for French intelligence and are specialists on both the oil industry and terrorism.

It is plausible that the French Government was upset at being shut out of the Caspian Basin deal, and may have been helping O'Neill behind the backs of his superior's in Washington. It does seem that the more that O'Neill learned, the less he was alowed to do with it.

The last straw was Cheney's refusal to follow up on O'Neill's request to pursue the leads in the Phoenix memo in April 2001. After resigning from the FBI in disgust, John O'Neil spoke candidly to several people, including the two French authors, whom he met again in July.

They have now written about the pipeline deal in "The Forbidden Truth." The book, not yet translated into English, quotes O'Neill as saying that his Al Qaida investigations were blocked to protect the Saudis. The Caspian Basin pipeline issue is discussed at length as the motive for the coverup.

I do not think that the French authors have the Atef document or they would have released it in their book. The Atef memo may indeed be a smoking gun, but I need to see the exact text to be sure before I release it to Congress.

This Al Qaida document may be the first hard evidence to break the Enron pipeline cover-up apart. I need your advice and confidential assistance in making a discreet collection of all Afghan pipeline research for a memo to present to Congress.


Found this yesterday. Very much so caught my interest and has given me a new perspective on 9/11. There's more to the article if you click the link



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by samkent

I would like to know why Cheney seems to be the whipping boy of 911.



That's because he's already had several strokes, and likely do kick the bucket soon ... which makes him a good patsy.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by thisisnotaname
shiftfrequency.com...-11302


The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.


edit on 21-6-2012 by thisisnotaname because: (no reason given)


Yes this could be true (or not). But It really doesn't matter, and member>"Screwed" is spot on .. What we all truthers or "people of common sense" must do is learn from 911 and train ourselves for the next false flag operation. All false flag operations are filled with mistakes. The catch is most commoners are lazy,denial and have short-term memory.


The outcome(aftermath) of 911 is really irrelevant.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by Cassius666
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Israel played a part in 911, does not translate to israel did 911.


Israel or any other country or group of people couldn't do it without help on the inside anyway you look at it.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by bjarneorn

Originally posted by samkent

I would like to know why Cheney seems to be the whipping boy of 911.



That's because he's already had several strokes, and likely do kick the bucket soon ... which makes him a good patsy.


Unless they pull a "Robocop" on us and keep him alive forever.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Sinny
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Cheney is the "whipping" boy, because he ordered the Pentagon defence (the *last* line of defence) to stand down and allow the planes to hit.
edit on 22-6-2012 by Sinny because: (no reason given)


NO HE DIDN'T!
His words were taken out of context.
You are reading those conspiracy sites that dave always mentions.

Go watch a Youtube vid of his actual words then come back. You will see conspiracy sites twist things to sell another DVD.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Screwed
At this point it doesn't matter if the President of the God Damned United States of motherfriggin America gets on T.V. during the half time of the Super Bowl and declares that it WAS indeed an inside job. and Dick Cheney flips us all the bird and says "yeah, I did it, whatcha gonna do about it"?

The people who do not want to believe this NEVER WILL!!!!


Period!!!
End of story.



This is so true that I have to quote it.
There are so many people who have created some kind of reality for themselves in their minds, and they just absolutely REFUSE to believe or even consider any other possibility, even when they are directly shown that their beliefs are obviously incorrect. I don't really understand it; I don't know if it's some kind of psychological defense mechanism where they need to feel protected or in control, but it's essentially mass psychosis.
As you said, even if the president went on live TV and admitted certain truths loud and clear, many, many people would just brush it off and either claim it was a joke or mindlessly forget they even saw it.



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by samkent

Originally posted by Sinny
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Cheney is the "whipping" boy, because he ordered the Pentagon defence (the *last* line of defence) to stand down and allow the planes to hit.
edit on 22-6-2012 by Sinny because: (no reason given)


NO HE DIDN'T!
His words were taken out of context.
You are reading those conspiracy sites that dave always mentions.

Go watch a Youtube vid of his actual words then come back. You will see conspiracy sites twist things to sell another DVD.


You mean he didn't admit it yet, Maybe later? In his next book perhaps ?
edit on 22-6-2012 by maxella1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 22 2012 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by samkent

Originally posted by Sinny
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Cheney is the "whipping" boy, because he ordered the Pentagon defence (the *last* line of defence) to stand down and allow the planes to hit.
edit on 22-6-2012 by Sinny because: (no reason given)


NO HE DIDN'T!
His words were taken out of context.
You are reading those conspiracy sites that dave always mentions.

Go watch a Youtube vid of his actual words then come back. You will see conspiracy sites twist things to sell another DVD.

Sure he did. I just watched the interview with Norman Mineta. Dick Cheney ordered Norad defence to stand down, meaning not to shoot the plane down.





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