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reply posted on 21-6-2012 @ 09:10 PM by Orkojoker
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Tyson - or should I say Degrasse Tyson? Just Tyson, I think - is a prime example of the type of person who is highly educated in a particular field of study and seems to assumes that it allows him to proclaim authoritatively on any topic whatsoever.

He implies (in another bit on UFOs, and I'm assuming in this one too, though I haven't watched it yet) that UFOs can be chalked up to people seeing something unusual in the sky and immediately jumping to the conclusion that they are looking at an alien spaceship. He totally ignores the fact that, according to people who have actually studied UFO reports first hand and interviewed the witnesses in many unexplained cases, this is not the case at all.

Here's Dr. James E. McDonald on the matter:

Another characteristic in interviewing the witnesses is the tendency for the UFO witness to turn first not to the hypothesis that he is looking at a spaceship, but rather it must be an ambulance out there with a blinking red light or that it is a helicopter up there. There is a conventional interpretation considered first; only then does the witness get out of the car or patrol car and realize the thing is stopped in midair and is going backwards and has six bright lights, or something like that. Only after an economical first hypothesis does the witness, in these impressive cases, go further in his hypotheses, and finally realize he is looking at something he has never seen before.


McDonald's testimony before the U.S. House Subcommittee on Science and Astronautics

This indicates to me that Tyson is woefully unfamiliar with the serious literature on the subject.

Stephen Hawking stuck his foot in his mouth in the same manner when he was quoted in an interview remarking that UFOs are only seen by "cranks and weirdos".

Science is not always what scientists do, according to J. Allen Hynek - a man who DOES have some worthwhile things to say about the UFO phenomenon and the experience to back it up.



reply posted on 21-6-2012 @ 09:21 PM by Furbs
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I have the same opinion of Dr. Tyson when it comes to anything having to do with anthropology. Sometimes the man just needs to shut the hell up or say "I don't know much about what you are talking about and am not qualified to give a scientific opinion on that particular subject."
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reply posted on 21-6-2012 @ 10:00 PM by TheStev
reply to post by Zakaris



Originally posted by Zakaris
Interesting video. Kept me entertained while mining in Eve Online. The crowd did seem almost all atheist and almost belligerently so. Not really a believer, but I don't begrudge others their beliefs as long as they don't force it on others like I've seen both religious and atheist people do.


Thank you so much for posting this. I completely agree with you, and have a real problem with belligerent atheists as you say (the same problem I have with belligerent christians, belligerent muslims etc etc).

I think I would've found the vid annoying because of it, and I'm glad you saved me from that. It may be an interesting video, but forcing your beliefs - no matter how 'proven' they might be - on other people is never cool.


reply posted on 22-6-2012 @ 12:07 AM by Kandinsky
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I like the guy and usually find what he says to be informative and entertaining. The UFO comments let him down a bit because it's clear he hasn't read much about it.

One of his peers was astronomer Clyde Tombaugh who discovered Pluto, worked at White Sands and taught Naval personnel - not a tin-foil hatter. TG would know all about Tombaugh's UFO sighting reports because he holds a professional interest in Pluto.

Prof Peter Sturrock, equally as educated as TG, surveyed the Membership of the American Astronomical Society Concerning the UFO Problem and discovered astronomers see UFOs too.

I'm not arguing the case that UFOs are real here, but that TG is very wide of the mark to presume that people who see UFOs automatically think *aliens.* He's just wrong.

Well said Orko:


...prime example of the type of person who is highly educated in a particular field of study and seems to assumes that it allows him to proclaim authoritatively on any topic...



reply posted on 22-6-2012 @ 06:19 PM by Ahmose
Originally posted by Orkojoker
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post by miniatus



Tyson - or should I say Degrasse Tyson? Just Tyson, I think - is a prime example of the type of person who is highly educated in a particular field of study and seems to assumes that it allows him to proclaim authoritatively on any topic whatsoever.

He implies (in another bit on UFOs, and I'm assuming in this one too, though I haven't watched it yet) that UFOs can be chalked up to people seeing something unusual in the sky and immediately jumping to the conclusion that they are looking at an alien spaceship. He totally ignores the fact that, according to people who have actually studied UFO reports first hand and interviewed the witnesses in many unexplained cases, this is not the case at all.

Here's Dr. James E. McDonald on the matter:

Another characteristic in interviewing the witnesses is the tendency for the UFO witness to turn first not to the hypothesis that he is looking at a spaceship, but rather it must be an ambulance out there with a blinking red light or that it is a helicopter up there. There is a conventional interpretation considered first; only then does the witness get out of the car or patrol car and realize the thing is stopped in midair and is going backwards and has six bright lights, or something like that. Only after an economical first hypothesis does the witness, in these impressive cases, go further in his hypotheses, and finally realize he is looking at something he has never seen before.


McDonald's testimony before the U.S. House Subcommittee on Science and Astronautics

This indicates to me that Tyson is woefully unfamiliar with the serious literature on the subject.

Stephen Hawking stuck his foot in his mouth in the same manner when he was quoted in an interview remarking that UFOs are only seen by "cranks and weirdos".

Science is not always what scientists do, according to J. Allen Hynek - a man who DOES have some worthwhile things to say about the UFO phenomenon and the experience to back it up.


Great post!
I have felt the same way many times, and you spelled it out quite nicely. well done, and thanks!


reply posted on 22-6-2012 @ 08:05 PM by bluestreak53
Originally posted by cripmeister



I think he knows enough about the subject to have an opinion on it. He has become popular because he, like Carl Sagan before him, can explain difficult things in a way that ordinary people can understand. I suspect you like Kaku because he is more willing to speculate whereas Degrasse Tyson is more of a hard science guy. Which is odd considering you call yourself a research scientist
edit on 22/6/2012 by cripmeister because: grammar and other stuff


Well, to start with, "eye witness testimony" is the basis of science. If you didn't have a scientist recording his observations, then you would have no science. Perhaps some science is now based on automated recording of experimental data direct from instrument readings to some media by computer, but that has certainly not always been the case.

So I think he is being a bit disingenuous when he puts down "eye witness testimony". What he is really saying is that he just isn't willing to trust what others observe as much as he trusts in what a scientist observes in a laboratory setting.

He starts off his segment on UFOs playing a little word game. Okay, a UFO does mean "unidentified", however, the reality of the experience and the actual source of the observed anomaly is unaffected by what you choose to call it, "UFO", "spaceship", whatever. And what it is to "the skeptical scientist awaiting proof" is not the same as what the person actually observed. It is theoretically possible that a person might see an "alien spacecraft", even if he does not have access to the physical evidence that will prove the reality of his sighting to the scientist.

As someone else mentioned, if there are real spaceships from ET civilizations visiting earth, and they don't want us to have proof of their existence or presence, it is quite possible that they may be able to thwart all our legitimate scientific attempts to obtain physical evidence of their presence, because they are probably much more technologically advanced than us, and possibly smarter than us also (or they have smarter computers).
Of course, most scientists who call themselves "UFO skeptics" are against the idea that it might even be worthwhile to search for evidence that ET is visiting the planet, because they have already concluded this is not happening before they even do a scientific investigation.
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