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The Chart That Scares The 1% The Most
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reply to post by ElectricUniverse
You assume that any of those things would not come about in any other system. Capitalism is nothing special in fact its pretty much the norm and has been the norm for all of human history, in that everybody is looking out for them and there's, and to make a buck or profit. What do you think that was invented in the last century because it got labeled "capitalism". Nah its as old as as human kind and the only things that change is the labels attributed to such things.
And the only thing really that gave rise to all of that you name is less constraint in the social ecosystem, were people were free to tinker as they will with less punishment. Because you see China is nor was Communism, and neither was Russia as the very meaning of the word means, they just labeled themselves that, kind of like a product, no different the Coke or Pepsi after all there looking to buy something, and that something is peoples minds. Just like the fact the the US is not really capitalistic in the very sense of the word it to is just a label, and people are buying the label. In fact if you consider each and everyone of them capitalists you would be correct in the sense that there all out to make a buck or control the market, the rest is just different labels on the same things. And people like labels, they will cry over labels, they will argue over labels, they will even die over labels. And throughout history peoples have done all of the above over labels, and will continue to do so....Funny no.
And so were arguing about what one group in power labeled themselves back then and what they label themselves now, its like watching some poor senseless animals continually bashing itself bloody against the same old wall and always wondering why it never solves anything. Ideals should be at best be called theories because that is what they are.
And lets face it anybody can call themselves anything they want especially if they got the majority consensus, or at least that what the TV says. But hey! lets ask ourselves some harder questions since this is kids stuff...
Now why is it that when you kill one man they call you a murderer, but when you kill a million they call you a conqueror? Ponder that, and you will have your answers to this and to other of societies dilemmas, because in a way it ties into this and the labels people use and function in, and the really sad part is that they can not function when not branded by a label, it is something they strive for, which sometimes leads to much strife.
And wait, I amd PRETTY sure such "self-proclaimed" communist would not have high speed internet, a good computer, the latest gadgets that CAPITALISM can bring to you including his/her latest ipod, etc, etc, etc while much of the rest of the world is in poverty right?
You assume that any of those things would not come about in any other system. Capitalism is nothing special in fact its pretty much the norm and has been the norm for all of human history, in that everybody is looking out for them and there's, and to make a buck or profit. What do you think that was invented in the last century because it got labeled "capitalism". Nah its as old as as human kind and the only things that change is the labels attributed to such things.
And the only thing really that gave rise to all of that you name is less constraint in the social ecosystem, were people were free to tinker as they will with less punishment. Because you see China is nor was Communism, and neither was Russia as the very meaning of the word means, they just labeled themselves that, kind of like a product, no different the Coke or Pepsi after all there looking to buy something, and that something is peoples minds. Just like the fact the the US is not really capitalistic in the very sense of the word it to is just a label, and people are buying the label. In fact if you consider each and everyone of them capitalists you would be correct in the sense that there all out to make a buck or control the market, the rest is just different labels on the same things. And people like labels, they will cry over labels, they will argue over labels, they will even die over labels. And throughout history peoples have done all of the above over labels, and will continue to do so....Funny no.
And so were arguing about what one group in power labeled themselves back then and what they label themselves now, its like watching some poor senseless animals continually bashing itself bloody against the same old wall and always wondering why it never solves anything. Ideals should be at best be called theories because that is what they are.
And lets face it anybody can call themselves anything they want especially if they got the majority consensus, or at least that what the TV says. But hey! lets ask ourselves some harder questions since this is kids stuff...
Now why is it that when you kill one man they call you a murderer, but when you kill a million they call you a conqueror? Ponder that, and you will have your answers to this and to other of societies dilemmas, because in a way it ties into this and the labels people use and function in, and the really sad part is that they can not function when not branded by a label, it is something they strive for, which sometimes leads to much strife.
How else but,on the spot,could any statistic be made? we are all living here in the now and statistics like the one in this thread,are the results of several decades of time,during which many millions of people have lived within and suffered through the wrong ways that this society has been organized and structured to function and after many decades of perceptive accumulation and can only be formulated,completed and presented in final,yet ever expanding form,not in the past,not in the future,but here and now,on the spot...
Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
Some say that 45% of all statistics are made up on the spot. Others say that's its 87% of statistics that are made up on the spot. And yet still others say that 93% of statistics are made up on the spot? What is the truth....There all true and there all made up and you can create any statistic you wanted to show you exactly that. But personally I think its somewhere along the lines of 99.9% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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reason given)
reply to post by Leftist
The bloodletting shall begin soon.
Society can't continue under this guise of "left vs right", "liberal vs conservative", "communist vs nazi", etc.
The bloodletting shall begin soon.
Society can't continue under this guise of "left vs right", "liberal vs conservative", "communist vs nazi", etc.
All revolutions happen from within,nothing lasts forever and where is imperial rome,napoleons europe, nazi germany,stalins russia,the romanov dynasty,the mongolian empire,fascist italy ect,ect now?
Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Leftist
The bloodletting shall begin soon.
Society can't continue under this guise of "left vs right", "liberal vs conservative", "communist vs nazi", etc.
They are all gone forever...
And so someday,like it or not,even the united states will exist no more and will be gone forever...
"The enemy within is like the pebble in the shoe"...Socrates?
edit on 21-6-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Pilot
The alcohol and pharmaceutical lobbies.
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I agree with many statements here. Socialism and communism have never been attempted in a modern society on a state or even country-wide scale.
It has been attempted every now and again by a worker-owned business and parts have been introduced in countries all over the world, but it seems to always get bashed and manipulated into oblivion by parties fearing upheaval from within their own bases and on the other sides of party lines.
Plutocrats are not and never have been the answer.
Oh, how I wish Woody Guthrie were here to see these graphs. He'd have a song for us all.
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I agree with some of the statements made in this thread; that maybe once those interested all stop voting someone will pay attention....
but more likely no one will. More likely those with the money will simply funnel more money into the system so that not only individuals get votes, but also the business they own and the banks that own them get votes too.
Or has that already happened?
One vote, one person would be true if only individuals could give money and resources to campaigns instead of individuals, collectives of individuals, and collectives of collectives of individuals. That's not democracy. That's not "socialism". What we have here, now, is a sick bastardization of a political system, where more money means more messages. (Pardon my alliteration)
The alcohol and pharmaceutical lobbies.
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I agree with many statements here. Socialism and communism have never been attempted in a modern society on a state or even country-wide scale.
It has been attempted every now and again by a worker-owned business and parts have been introduced in countries all over the world, but it seems to always get bashed and manipulated into oblivion by parties fearing upheaval from within their own bases and on the other sides of party lines.
Plutocrats are not and never have been the answer.
Oh, how I wish Woody Guthrie were here to see these graphs. He'd have a song for us all.
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I agree with some of the statements made in this thread; that maybe once those interested all stop voting someone will pay attention....
but more likely no one will. More likely those with the money will simply funnel more money into the system so that not only individuals get votes, but also the business they own and the banks that own them get votes too.
Or has that already happened?
One vote, one person would be true if only individuals could give money and resources to campaigns instead of individuals, collectives of individuals, and collectives of collectives of individuals. That's not democracy. That's not "socialism". What we have here, now, is a sick bastardization of a political system, where more money means more messages. (Pardon my alliteration)
Originally posted by Anonymous404
reply to post by Pilot
Oh, how I wish Woody Guthrie were here to see these graphs. He'd have a song for us all.
Saw Arlo in Greensboro with John Prine,... was awsome. Like the music.
edit on 21-6-2012 by smirkley because: (no reason given)
reply to post by blocula
Well considering that the only thing that really seems to exist is the here an now, and all off history is at best a conjecture or a pool of conjectures in accumulation existing only in our heads as accumulated data both from sensory input or external input but also as a sort of meme or one conceptual thought among the minds of people mostly implanted or drawn out by our experiences and the things we see or read etc etc. I would say that whatever you want it to be in that moment is what it will be, because you are dealing with moments on a moment to moment basis.
And when dealing with such concepts as history which is basically drawn out conceptual agreements on basis of not actually being there, its basically a flawed thought, kind of like a how you brain operates it gathers a whole bunch of ideas/patterns, then it whittles them down till it finds one that all of its different parts can agree on, since the brain is but a composure of many different brains what we call our brain or mind is merely the sum of our parts and conclusions. So in a way its not looking for what was it is looking for what is and what works. A sort of agreement only not in one body or going on in one head, but among a sort hive mind looking for one clear defining definition of the moment they all shared that brought them to this point in space and time...ie there history.
But since you seem to quote Socrates I suppose its like he once said. "Be as you wish to seem"
How else but,on the spot,could any statistic be made? we are all living here in the now and statistics like the one in this thread,are the results of several decades of time,during which many millions of people have lived within and suffered through the wrong ways that this society has been organized and structured to function and after many decades of perceptive accumulation and can only be formulated,completed and presented in final,yet ever expanding form,not in the past,not in the future,but here and now,on the spot...
Well considering that the only thing that really seems to exist is the here an now, and all off history is at best a conjecture or a pool of conjectures in accumulation existing only in our heads as accumulated data both from sensory input or external input but also as a sort of meme or one conceptual thought among the minds of people mostly implanted or drawn out by our experiences and the things we see or read etc etc. I would say that whatever you want it to be in that moment is what it will be, because you are dealing with moments on a moment to moment basis.
And when dealing with such concepts as history which is basically drawn out conceptual agreements on basis of not actually being there, its basically a flawed thought, kind of like a how you brain operates it gathers a whole bunch of ideas/patterns, then it whittles them down till it finds one that all of its different parts can agree on, since the brain is but a composure of many different brains what we call our brain or mind is merely the sum of our parts and conclusions. So in a way its not looking for what was it is looking for what is and what works. A sort of agreement only not in one body or going on in one head, but among a sort hive mind looking for one clear defining definition of the moment they all shared that brought them to this point in space and time...ie there history.
But since you seem to quote Socrates I suppose its like he once said. "Be as you wish to seem"
reply to post by Kali74
Standing ovation for you.
Too bad this point will be lost on most of the folks here.
Standing ovation for you.
Too bad this point will be lost on most of the folks here.
Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
reply to post by blocula
But since you seem to quote Socrates I suppose its like he once said. "Be as you wish to seem"
Yes, that is what is.
The end.
So do I get banned for pointing out that PROHIBITION = the primary method of enslavement?
PS: I'm fustrated with ATS as compared with other good blogs having just seen that there was a thread titled "DEA Administrator Unable to Say if Heroin is Worse Than Marijuana" but couldn't find it. Instead it was 404, not even closed(locked) for constraint. It goes with the ATS=COINTELPRO theories of why the prohibition topic is so taboo here but not on other blogs. WTF ATS?
How long will this thread last? How long will I?
PS: I'm fustrated with ATS as compared with other good blogs having just seen that there was a thread titled "DEA Administrator Unable to Say if Heroin is Worse Than Marijuana" but couldn't find it. Instead it was 404, not even closed(locked) for constraint. It goes with the ATS=COINTELPRO theories of why the prohibition topic is so taboo here but not on other blogs. WTF ATS?
How long will this thread last? How long will I?
edit on 6/22/2012 by reitze because: (locked)
I wonder if their last words will be, "So let them eat genetically modified organisms"? Ladies and Gentleman, I think what we are witnessing
is the beginning of a revolution. It's a great time to be alive!
As someone else pointed out, most of those who are incarcerated are in prison for the ridiculously stupid crime of what you can and can't put in your body. Of course, we can't talk about that though since this site is all about denying ignorance and since that's the case, we can't talk about that.
As someone else pointed out, most of those who are incarcerated are in prison for the ridiculously stupid crime of what you can and can't put in your body. Of course, we can't talk about that though since this site is all about denying ignorance and since that's the case, we can't talk about that.
Originally posted by knightwhosaysnih
it would be awesome if the x and y axis were actually labelled.edit on 21-6-2012 by knightwhosaysnih because: deleted lots of the original quoteedit on 21-6-2012 by knightwhosaysnih because: (no reason given)
Well...it is. The X axis isn't because the makers thought it was clear that those were years.
Aaaaanyway...
You'll notice it starts it's uphill climb in the Regan years...... the war......... on ......drugs..... amazing.
OMG ,,,, nope sorry i dont see how can this chart STRIKE fear in the HEARTS of the 1%
need more chart power
need more chart power
Originally posted by lordbayfin
OMG ,,,, nope sorry i dont see how can this chart STRIKE fear in the HEARTS of the 1%
need more chart power
lol, finally...
I don't need a chart to know this. Its quite obvious.
People ethier don't care or choose not to until it actually happens to them.
The jail system is a joke and has been for a long time. Thier should be no privatized jails peroid. The laws are so out of control it rediculous and we just go on like the sheeple we are.
Not enough people care and they are to distracted tring to keep food on thier own tables for thier families.
Making profit off of the misery of others is nothing new its been going on for centuries. Its time for it all to stop.
but it won't because not enough care or try to tackle so many issues at once and fail.
People need to get organinzed and collectively take on one issue and slove the prolem then move on to the next.
We don't do that anymore in this country. We try to take on everything at once and fail.
People ethier don't care or choose not to until it actually happens to them.
The jail system is a joke and has been for a long time. Thier should be no privatized jails peroid. The laws are so out of control it rediculous and we just go on like the sheeple we are.
Not enough people care and they are to distracted tring to keep food on thier own tables for thier families.
Making profit off of the misery of others is nothing new its been going on for centuries. Its time for it all to stop.
but it won't because not enough care or try to tackle so many issues at once and fail.
People need to get organinzed and collectively take on one issue and slove the prolem then move on to the next.
We don't do that anymore in this country. We try to take on everything at once and fail.
There is an even tighter correlation to the LOWER tax revenue paid by the upper class and the loss of wealth in the Middle Class.
Paul Krugman had an article in the NY Times today about Prison Privatization:
Prisons, Privatization, Patronage
Prisons, Privatization, Patronage
Originally posted by blocula
Known mental defects and ticking time bomb psychopaths are intentionally allowed to roam amongst innocent and normal society,amped up and strung out on government controlled and government pushed psych meds...
damn right, I am one, med's do nothing, but I have noticed they seem to help them who have a tendency to addiction, no more than a reward response... show me a med that's successful that wont string you out, and ill see if i can get it lol
one study that will never be done, mental illness, medication, pleasure responses. and the correlation with
'getting well'