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Originally posted by BS_Slayer
reply to post by apushforenlightment
Thanks Apush, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
The % thing, a logical question. If the universe/multiverse functions this way, then I would at least like to think that there is no real % failure. It sounds a little cliche, but its possible that life is raw stimulation, with the experience, the emotions, all of it directly manifested in order to help us grow.
As hard as it may be to conceive, maybe the most unfathomable atrocities in the world are some how helpful to the souls to which they occur, and even those that perpetuate them. I know how cold that sounds, and I don't know a soul who would want to be one of them, but life has already proven to make almost no sense at all.
It would make sense if we live many, many lives, experiencing different types of stimuli until it has somehow been assimilated and we move on. As crazy as it may sound, it makes more sense to me than the way most religions see it. I mean, what does God do when earth's creatures have finally learned to stop brutalizing each other (I know, haha fat chance). Seriously though, when all of the children are brought up to heaven, what then?
Will there be another world beyond heaven? It doesn't seem like the nature of man can tolerate stillness, no matter how beautiful it may be...put a man on a beautiful island, or mountain, or whatever his dream world is. Surround him with a thousand beautiful women, give him eternal life. ETERNAL life... Allow him an unlimited supply of everything he loves; foods etc... he never gets fat, never ages...
Sooner or later, it may take a thousand years, maybe even 5 for the thick-headed :p, but sooner or later, it will become a hell. In fact, forget the Island, give him the entire world... I promise you, in time, the result would be the same.
I have a "gut" instinct, that says we just keep changing, growing, and developing, and that in and of itself seems like the meaning of life to me.
In short, the baby that dies at birth, the old man that lives to be 105, the wife lost in a car accident, the junkie on the corner, the hitlers and juntas crushing the innocent, EVERYONE is exactly whaere they should be.
Just a theory.edit on 21-6-2012 by BS_Slayer because: One final line...
Originally posted by cloudyday
The question for me is: "Is there any reason to practice a religion, and does it matter which religion I choose, and how do I know which religion is right?"
I don't know what to think about it all.edit on 21-6-2012 by cloudyday because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by maes9
reply to post by cloudyday
I do not to advertise any religion but we can read in Quran
"""Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve."""
"""Say: We believe in God and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to abraham and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit."""
so it is up to you to choose the best, the goal is humanity.
Originally posted by smyleegrl
I want to know if God exists. It is, in my opinion, the most important question I can ask and I’ve sought the answer for over twenty-five years now.
Okay, long story short. I was raised Baptist and have since lost my faith. I no longer know if God exists and if so….what God’s nature might be.
So what I’d like to do is explore the idea of God from multiple religious beliefs. I plan to make a series of threads that piggyback off each other. The first thread (this one) will deal with the existence of God. The next will focus on God’s nature, with more to follow.
Some ground rules for this thread. You may not argue from religious texts. Why? I want to avoid that mindless cliché of “The Bible Said It, I Believe It, and That Settles It.” In a later thread we will explore religious texts, but for now all argument must make do without.
You may share anecdotal information, including personal feelings and experiences, hunches and intuitions. They must be personal, though…not a friend of a cousin’s third wife’s sister stories.
Lastly, please treat those of differing faiths with decorum and respect. I will report any threads that insult other religions or other viewpoints.
So...our question for today:
Does God Exist? How do you know?
Originally posted by RavenSpeaks
reply to post by smyleegrl
Firstly, do a little study on the net about "Sacred Geometry" and The Golden Ratio" .
That will help you understand what follows.
O.K. here's what I found out for myself:
"The Golden Ratio" gives us the following anagrams:
I'd let a throne go
And I got the role
The "One God" trail
The "God One" trial
Tho God, tree nail
The God nail tore
O the legion dart
The Latin gored
Digging a little deeper I found that an anagram for "The path to enlightenment" is:
"NOTE PHI LENGTH MATH TENET" (PHI is the Golden Ratio!)
And of course If one were to anagram "Ask and you shall receive"
One would get: "A Heavenly Lord cues; I ask!"
And soooo much more! Weeeee! so much fun!
Hoooray for Easter Eggs!
Originally posted by maes9
reply to post by apushforenlightment
hey man this is about monotheism not Idolatry and superstitions. a factory makes a machine then produces a guidance for it, then human with this complexity does not need any guidance. indeed human has intelligence but not to perceive the metaphysics completely. if it was not because of prophets all of us were Idolatry and deify (stones, sun, ourselves, sex, money, ...). I insist that human should think because wisdom is a natural prophet. and I insist that religions are not that pure that we think. because wrong clerics and even politicians are misusing them. but human has a built in prophet to use it and to find the truth and the best way.
edit on 21-6-2012 by maes9 because: nothing important
Originally posted by Badgered1
For me, life is an experience. A learning experience. It's not a destination, or a race.
Live. Love. Be happy.
I was given perfunctory 'prayers' to say when I was little. No real religious teaching there at all. Just a way for me to focus my good feelings and intent. Be good, and think nice things was basically what I was doing.
My mother went on to be the president of a Spiritualist 'church' and was not a Christian. Towards the end of her life she would say, "God is good..."
I didn't understand.
How could someone without Christian faith (I should say 'belief in a deity') be saying something like that. Eventually it dawned on me that she was being quite literal. God is good. Good. Be good.
It's pretty easy. No need for the religious version of "good." It comes from inside. No religion has it all right. No religion has it all wrong. There's something in there for everyone. The Christians certainly don't have the monopoly on morals as some claim.
Be good. Be nice to people when you can. Be kind. Be gentle. Love. Have some manners. Don't be cruel. Don't lie. Be true to yourself.
Pretty simple so far?
For me "God" was something that flitted into and out of my life. It was something used as a learning experience.
But learning experiences are fleeting. If I were to tell you, "Don't play with fire or you'll get burned." You'd have a learning experience. You'd probably still play with fire. Then you'd get burned, and realise what I meant. Lesson learned. Move on.
If I said, "Don't play with fire or you'll get burned." every day to you for the rest of your life, the learning would become mundane and meaningless. You'd start to resent it. The lesson would have little meaning to you.
The lesson was important enough for you to grow as an individual, but once learned it loses a lot of its power. You grow. You move on with life.
So "God" may have played a role in your life, but is it the absolute meaning of your life? Of course it isn't.
Good is. I'm not trying to convince you towards atheism, but simply showing you that life can be rewarding, full, joyous, and loving without the need for a deity.
You don't need to believe in a figurehead. You have everything you need inside you.
You try to be good.
No religion can give that to you by giving you rules to follow, and anecdotal stories from the bronze age.
You have good inside you. It's not supernatural. It's not Holy. It's not religious. It's you.
It wasn't put there by a religion. It wasn't put there by a deity. It was always there.
Your 'relationship' with your God was just a conduit by which you discovered the good in you.
Go and be good.
Originally posted by smyleegrl
My own two cents:
I don't believe in the Christian God per say. Too anthropormorphic, as others have stated.
Here's something I've always wondered about. When your body needs a certain vitamin, for example, you begin to crave a type of food with that vitamin. When your body is thirsty, you crave water.
So if something inside of me craves, for lack of a better word, God...doesn't that imply that God exists?