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Obama asserts executive privilege on Fast and Furious documents

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posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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Once again the administration is bound and determined to lie. During the White House press briefing this morning Carney once again is saying this program started under Bush, even though the AG withdrew that statement because it was wrong.




posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
A question for those still drinking the koolaid:

If, as a few of you have posted, the gunrunning was started by the Bush Administration.....

Why sit on the paperwork, risking contempt of Congress and make the President look like Nixon, invoking executive privilege?

Why not treat it like the ECONOMY, and tell the American people that 'It is all Bush's fault'?


Holder has released almost 10,000 pages of documents and every bit of information requested by the GOP that pertains to the start of the Gun Walking scandal up until when the operation ended and hit the news and the senate investigation began...everything they asked for.

Now they have requested emails and correspondance with regards to how the DOJ and White House discussed the investigation, it's implications, likely outcome, political costs etc.

Certainly juicey stuff I am sure, but NOT within the scope of the investigation and purely politically motivated and aimed at embarrassing the DOJ and White House....as well as being priveldged information.

If the White House releases this....then future Presidents will not be able to have candid conversations with thier advisors and a department heads....it is not relevant to the investigation...it is fishing.

During the Bush years...Boehner literally led the entire GOP to walk off the floor in protest calling the Democrats asking for docs related to the Valerie Plame incident nothing more than a "fishing expedition" for political purposes.
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posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by phantomjack
Does anyone feel like I do, that they wish Bill Clinton was back in office, instead of this Nimrod?

I didn't care for Bill Clinton. But after seeing what Obama has done to this country, Bill was a walk in the park.


Well, if you remember Bill Clinton had a few scandals of his own.

This is a walk down memory lane.

WhiteWater Gate

TravelGate

ZipperGate: Monica Lewinsky - the blue dress

Impeached by the House but not removed by the senate

Pardoning of Marc Rich: Even Stephanopoulos threw a hissy fit over that one.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
Once again the administration is bound and determined to lie. During the White House press briefing this morning Carney once again is saying this program started under Bush, even though the AG withdrew that statement because it was wrong.


Yes, there appears to be a communications problem between the White House

and the justice department.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 12:02 PM
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The congressional committe is not investigating the death of the border patrol agent, nor are they investigating fast and furious at the operational level. What they are investigating is who knew about, when did they know, what did they know, how high up does that knowledge go, and was why was it not stopped before they killed one of their own agents?

In this case there was a failure, not to mention an operation that crossed a foreign border without the knowledge, consent and coopertion of that nation. Congress has oversight authority and this is one issue that should be investigated fully to determine who is accountible.

As far as your comment all documents were turned over that is not accurate. The AG has ignored subpoenas for specific information. They know those files exist because of a whistle blower who has been feeding Issa information.

This is exactly what congress is suppose to be doing.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Once again the administration is bound and determined to lie. During the White House press briefing this morning Carney once again is saying this program started under Bush, even though the AG withdrew that statement because it was wrong.


Yes, there appears to be a communications problem between the White House

and the justice department.


I guess the saying is true that when you tell so many lies, you eventually forget the lies you told and mess up the story you were telling.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Once again the administration is bound and determined to lie. During the White House press briefing this morning Carney once again is saying this program started under Bush, even though the AG withdrew that statement because it was wrong.


Yes, there appears to be a communications problem between the White House

and the justice department.


I guess the saying is true that when you tell so many lies, you eventually forget the lies you told and mess up the story you were telling.


I feel sorry for Carney.

He probably doesn't want to get out of bed. - Oh God, what a mess. -


To make matters worse the SCOTUS will be flushing ObamaCare down the toilet.

-Oh God, how do we spin this? -



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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Correct. This is CLEARLY politically motivated, but to say that correspondence relating to who knew what and when they knew it isn't in the purview of the investigation fundamentally misunderstands what the investigation is about. Issa and the rest of the Republicans are out for blood, but that doesn't make the offenses possibly committed by the administration and the DOJ any less grievous.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by samcrow
reply to post by Xcathdra
 


Correct. This is CLEARLY politically motivated, but to say that correspondence relating to who knew what and when they knew it isn't in the purview of the investigation fundamentally misunderstands what the investigation is about. Issa and the rest of the Republicans are out for blood, but that doesn't make the offenses possibly committed by the administration and the DOJ any less grievous.


Yes, this is worse than WaterGate. No one died during WaterGate.

We have a dead border patrol agent Brian Terry.

Someone needs to be held accountable.

This happened on Obamas watch.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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You are proving the point that the 'buck' doesn't stop here, in the most transparent administration in history.
When the President is having a discussion about policies that kill American citizens, a failure of a policy at that, he doesn't deserve to keep it a secret. He needs to own up to his part in this failure.

Obama needs to MAN UP!




posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 12:25 PM
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Obama will man up.....................after the election.

In the meantime, go ahead and try every trick in the book to push off all

of the Fast & Furious bad news until after the election.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by Indigo5
 


The congressional committe is not investigating the death of the border patrol agent, nor are they investigating fast and furious at the operational level. What they are investigating is who knew about, when did they know, what did they know, how high up does that knowledge go, and was why was it not stopped before they killed one of their own agents?


All of which would be included in the Documents spanning the dates between when Fast and Furious began and when the investigation began.



The Committee has made clear that its contempt resolution will be limited to internal Department “documents from after February 4, 2011, related to the Department’s response to Congress.” Letter for Eric H. Holder, Jr., Attorney General, from Darrell E. Issa, Chairman, Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, U.S. House ofRepresentatives at 1-2 (June 13, 2012) (“Chairman’s Letter”). I am asking you to assert executive privilege over these
documents. They were not generated in the course of the conduct of Fast and Furious. Instead, they were created after the investigative tactics at issue in that operation had terminated and in the course of the Department’s deliberative process concerning how to respond to congressional and related media inquiries into that operation.

In view of the significant confidentiality and separation of powers concerns raised by the Committee’s demand for internal documents generated in response to the Committee’s investigation, we consider the Department’s accommodations regarding the preparation of the February 4 Letter to have been extraordinary.

foxnewsinsider.com... -documents/


In this case there was a failure, not to mention an operation that crossed a foreign border without the knowledge, consent and coopertion of that nation. Congress has oversight authority and this is one issue that should be investigated fully to determine who is accountible.


Agreed wholeheartedly. But that is not what they are investigating, despite the facade...see above...Political fishing.


Originally posted by Xcathdra
As far as your comment all documents were turned over that is not accurate. The AG has ignored subpoenas for specific information. They know those files exist because of a whistle blower who has been feeding Issa information.

This is exactly what congress is suppose to be doing.


Not sure where that originates? Because according to both Issa's request and Holder's response...this is in regards to events post investigation and post Fast and Furious.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by Indigo5
 


The congressional committe is not investigating the death of the border patrol agent, nor are they investigating fast and furious at the operational level. What they are investigating is who knew about, when did they know, what did they know, how high up does that knowledge go, and was why was it not stopped before they killed one of their own agents?

In this case there was a failure, not to mention an operation that crossed a foreign border without the knowledge, consent and coopertion of that nation. Congress has oversight authority and this is one issue that should be investigated fully to determine who is accountible.

As far as your comment all documents were turned over that is not accurate. The AG has ignored subpoenas for specific information. They know those files exist because of a whistle blower who has been feeding Issa information.

This is exactly what congress is suppose to be doing.


Congress is The People's House......THEIR responsibility is to US. They are doing exactly what We, The People, are demanding they do. Get to the bottom of Fast and Furious and seek JUSTICE.

As a side note, watch the UN Small Arms Trade negotiations going on, especially in July. Somehow, I think there is a connection here. I have never mistrusted my government as much as I do now, sadly to say. There is no respect for The Constitution in this administration, imo.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 12:36 PM
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posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 12:36 PM
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Let's not forget:

If not for the ATF whistleblower(s) we would know nothing about any of this.

Obama would probably be giving the Zetas tanks and submarines if it wasn't for the whistleblower.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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This really does put this Fast and Furious debacle in perspective!

Our government (or certain ones within it) is COUNTING on We, The People's stupidity and/or apathy. And THAT pisses me off.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 01:16 PM
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His law degree is in Constitutional Law, which is everything about our constitution, how it works, how it's read, HOW IT"S INTERPRETED, and most of all HOW TO GET AROUND WHAT It LAYS OUT. A prime example of what I am saying is as follows. ( This one aint on Obama) Read the Controlled Substance Act, prime example of how to circumvent the constitution. Constitution plainly states we can injest what ever we want into our bodies, maybe not those exact words, but the Controlled Substance Act, killed that little part of the constitution.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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Certainly juicey stuff I am sure, but NOT within the scope of the investigation and purely politically motivated and aimed at embarrassing the DOJ and White House....as well as being priveldged information.


Why do you say it does not fall within the scope of the investigation? Obviously the investigators think it is, if they asked to see it. Obviously there is something to hide if Obama has used the 'power' to hide the documents...

it is not relevant to the investigation

What do you know that we don't that allows you to say this? To me its absolutely relevant! Do you really think its ok for Obama to hold back potentially crucial documents that may lead back to the White house and Obama being involved/having knowledge of F&F?!



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by Covertblack

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by DarkKnight76
 

Bush was wrong as well.
Bush is not in office.
0bama and his Admin are in charge. Stop making excuses by deflecting.

Agree completely. People act like it doesn't matter because the previous corrupt administration did the same. How does that give the current one a free pass? So the person that comes after Obama could do the same and it's ok?

Funny part is that they only blame and compare the previous administration or opposition party when something bad happens
If previous administration created jobs and/or balanced the budget, how come they're not following that currently?
This is becoming sillier and sillier day by day with the stupidest of the excuses and statements that the current administration is feeding the media and voters



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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So you're willing to support a war monger, debt monger, and anti-constitution candidate? Sound like you'd vote for Obama too then.



What makes you think hes going to have a worse record,for Unemployment,then Obama?


Presidents do not control the economy. Romney cannot magically end the recession. Why would I take his word for it anyway? That is just being gullible.


Will he Polarize the Nation,worse then Obama has?


He definitely has the potential to. All of the constitutionalists, anti-big government republicans won't like him...nor will democrats. I mean he has the same policies as Obama so he should. Though I guess he wouldn't have goofy birther/communist conspiracy theories against him.



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