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Obama asserts executive privilege on Fast and Furious documents

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posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:17 AM
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I like how a government bureaucratic boondoggle causing deaths and the dumping of thousands of guns onto unstable streets still boils down to some asinine partisan bickering.

Does it matter if some other guy did it too?
Does it even matter what the intent was?

Only the facts matter. Your government used money it took from you to dump a bunch of guns into the hands of criminals that have lead to deaths and will continue to lead to deaths for many years to come.

It doesnt matter which administration(s) were involved. It doesnt matter if it was some covert plan to push a gun ban in the US. Those are at best side issues.

All that matter is the government ran a poorly thought out scheme that resulted in murder.
And government does this everyday. And will continue to this everyday. Because you're all too busy bickering over partisan tripe.

The bad guy is government bureaucracy. The administration and the motivation is irrelevant.




posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:19 AM
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Darn shame Nixon didn't think to use this trick. Dick Cheney must be beside himself with joy at how his idea for a unitary executive is now the supreme power with no checks or balances from the legislative or judicial branches of government.

"Executive privilege" and "National security" have become the catch-all immunity phrases used by Presidents to hide illegal and unconstitutional acts from Congress and the public. We may as well dissolve Congress since they lack the backbone to begin impeachment proceedings which is their sole remaining option.

We have lost our way as a nation. The freedoms that so many of our forefathers fought, suffered and died for have been trammeled and abolished by moneyed interests whose sole interests are profits and power at the expense of the people and principle. There has been a complete corruption of the institutions that served this country so well for 200 years and Obama's self-proclaimed exemption from the law shows his absolute contempt for them and for the public he supposedly serves.

The ideal of a Government Of the People, by the People and for the People - the greatest legacy of Western civilization is completely undone.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:20 AM
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I've tried to reason this through but apparently the partisans are 'maintaining the faith.'

The object should be to see to it that this cannot happen again.... ever. But the media programming is just too pervasive and powerful to combat.

countdown 'til the next episode of partisan blather.... 3, 2, 1, .....



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:22 AM
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Your ending is correct, buy time to:
a) spin it the right way
b) cover it up and pray it goes a way
c) use MSM to wag the do to aid in the Obeyme Iran Contra
d) further dupe the American populus that this administration is good for our country
e) all of the above and then some

If you answered "e" you are correct and win a prize. A new bucket of tar and a bag of feathers for the party we need to have. What has been done here is nothing short of sedition and treason against the American people and our constitution.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by Britguy
reply to post by butcherguy
 


See the article I posted a link to above. It may have become known as "Fast and Furious" under the Obama admin, but had other previous names under Bush, and probably others still before he came to office. In other words, no matter what the name is, it's an ongoing, longstanding operation, and will likely remain so as long as the US government and it's agencies are allowed to prop up the cartels and reap the benefits of the vast sums in drug profit.

I have read up on the various operations and how they were accomplished. That is why I brought the mistaken terminology up.
I have previously posted links to the information that you might want to brush up on and other posters have as well.
edit on 21-6-2012 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by mantarey
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


Your ending is correct, buy time to:
a) spin it the right way
b) cover it up and pray it goes a way
c) use MSM to wag the do to aid in the Obeyme Iran Contra
d) further dupe the American populus that this administration is good for our country
e) all of the above and then some

If you answered "e" you are correct and win a prize. A new bucket of tar and a bag of feathers for the party we need to have. What has been done here is nothing short of sedition and treason against the American people and our constitution.


Democrat Charlie Rangel said that the Obama administration will find a way to

postpone all of the bad news on Fast & Furious until after the election.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:31 AM
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OMG - that is amazing - JK lol what would you expect from Rangel! Wasn't he censured! Oh yeah he was...

Rangel was convicted in an ethics trial this week by a panel of lawmakers on 11 counts of ethical wrongdoing, including his use of House letterheads and staff to solicit money for a college center named after him. A number of the donors had business before the House Ways and Means Committee while Rangel served as chairman.

Rangel also filed a decade's worth of misleading financial statements understating his assets and converted a subsidized New York apartment – designated for residential use – into a campaign office. Other tenants who violated their lease got evicted.


So let's see - he bilked money, defrauded the IRS, and had an apartment in NYC paid for by us truly the tax payers. Yeah he is right, this will be drug out. The foxes are in the hen house!


SM2

posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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Furthermore, while I understand and agree that the wide receiver and Bush administration should also be looked into, he is not in office anymore, so what can really be done now? Bring him up on criminal charges? Do people really think that would happen? The damage Bush has done is done, he is gone. Now, we have Obama and Holder, still doing the same thing Bush did, but with worse results. He has his political operatives out there trying to convince everyone that fast and furious was started under Bush and a lot of gullible naive people buy that crap hook line and sinker because Obama is the messiah. The ones that don't buy that, buy his other excuse which is " Bush did it too".

Look people, Bush is not in office anymore. Obama is, when is his free pass over? How much longer can he continue to blame others for his action? The democrats lost their chance to impeach bush, they could have, they had the majority in congress.

All the democrats crying because their team is getting hammered need to get over it and face the music. All the blame Bush crap is juvenile, tiresome and weak. This is not saying that Bush was not just as ignorant as Obama, and Bush is 100% innocent, he is just innocent of Fast and Furious as he can not be guilty of anything that started AFTER he left office. There is plenty of legitimate issues to take up with Bush, no need to fabricate others.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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Why would Rangel lie about another democrat?

What's the motive?


SM2

posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by mantarey
 


Why would Rangel lie about another democrat?

What's the motive?



really? was that a serious question or sarcasm?

If it was serious then....just wow. When has Charley Rengal never lied? in his sleep?



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by SM2
Furthermore, while I understand and agree that the wide receiver and Bush administration should also be looked into, he is not in office anymore, so what can really be done now? Bring him up on criminal charges? Do people really think that would happen? The damage Bush has done is done, he is gone. Now, we have Obama and Holder, still doing the same thing Bush did, but with worse results. He has his political operatives out there trying to convince everyone that fast and furious was started under Bush and a lot of gullible naive people buy that crap hook line and sinker because Obama is the messiah. The ones that don't buy that, buy his other excuse which is " Bush did it too".

Look people, Bush is not in office anymore. Obama is, when is his free pass over? How much longer can he continue to blame others for his action? The democrats lost their chance to impeach bush, they could have, they had the majority in congress.

All the democrats crying because their team is getting hammered need to get over it and face the music. All the blame Bush crap is juvenile, tiresome and weak. This is not saying that Bush was not just as ignorant as Obama, and Bush is 100% innocent, he is just innocent of Fast and Furious as he can not be guilty of anything that started AFTER he left office. There is plenty of legitimate issues to take up with Bush, no need to fabricate others.


Well, you're right about that.

The democrats are getting hammered in June 2012.

The blame Bush tactic won't work but it's the best they have right now.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by SM2

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by mantarey
 


Why would Rangel lie about another democrat?

What's the motive?



really? was that a serious question or sarcasm?

If it was serious then....just wow. When has Charley Rengal never lied? in his sleep?


Again....what's the motive?

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And by the way, truth be told - is the Obama admistration doing all that it can

to postpone all of the F&F bad news until after the election? -

Seek the truth.
edit on 21-6-2012 by Eurisko2012 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:42 AM
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THis is more about attacking our 2nd Amendment rights, than giving guns to drug cartels. Who better to dismantle our constitution, than a president that happens to be a constitutional lawyer. Our rights are being eroded away ever so slowly. Our Republic is going the way of the dinosaur, dieing off a little at a time UNTIL BAM!! it's gone. No more Republic, no more America, no more freedom. It;s the road we are all on, it's time we paved this road with some new blood. It' all of our problem, so we all need to get to paving that road, Vote out the feces eaters, and bring in some new blood.
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posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by openyourmind1262
THis is more about attacking our 2nd Amendment rights, than giving guns to drug cartels. Who better to dismantle our constitution, than a president that happens to be a constitutional lawyer. Our rights are being eroded away ever so slowly. Our Republic is going the way of the dinosaur, dieing off a little at a time UNTIL BAM!! it's gone. No more Republic, no more America, no more freedom. It;s the road we are all on, it's time we paved this road with some new blood.


Yes, it's called the Obama transformation of America.

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Solution: We have everything we need to restore America.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:49 AM
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You know; not to contradict your point but... I am starting to doubt that any professional qualification we are told (or sold) about politicians is actually real....

The whole "Constitutional Lawyer" thing ... really? Where did he practice? What cases did he try? He's quite the orator, so where can I see him actually making an argument? Don't even get me started on the whole "professor" thing.... that's like calling Bush Jr a fighter pilot!
edit on 21-6-2012 by Maxmars because: (no reason given)


SM2

posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by SM2

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by mantarey
 


Why would Rangel lie about another democrat?

What's the motive?



really? was that a serious question or sarcasm?

If it was serious then....just wow. When has Charley Rengal never lied? in his sleep?


Again....what's the motive?

--------
And by the way, truth be told - is the Obama admistration doing all that it can

to postpone all of the F&F bad news until after the election? -

Seek the truth.
edit on 21-6-2012 by Eurisko2012 because: (no reason given)


His motive would be to get even with the republicans that censured him? He is and always has been a petty, vindictive blow hard. Anything he could do to make the republicans look bad he has always jumped on it with vigor. How can you think a man censured and indicted for 11 ethics violation that primarily were lying would speak the truth?



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:50 AM
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reply to post by SM2
 


If Charley Rengal was censured.... how come he still has a voice in politics?


SM2

posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by Maxmars
reply to post by SM2
 


If Charley Rengal was censured.... how come he still has a voice in politics?


source www.politicsdaily.com...

"For the first time in nearly three decades, the House censured one of its members Thursday, voting 333 to 79 to formally punish Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.) for reflecting poorly on the institution and bringing discredit to the House. Seventy-seven Democrats and two Republicans -- Reps. Peter King and Don Young -- voted against"



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by DarkKnight76
If you and all the other conservatives who are sure to come to this post did just as much whining when Bush exerted EP, I would say you have a point. But something tells me not one of you even made a peep except to defend him because "we are at war with terrorists and you don't speak bad about a president during war time."

Now I heavily criticized Bush during his time in office for doing things like this and I was called a traitor. And what's good for the goose is good for the gander.



They where right about you, by your own admission your a traitor, and an enemy of the Republic. You willfully give a pass to a criminal because a) his race or b) his political membership.

Either way the last 4 years taught me everything I need to know about democrats and certain groups.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by SM2

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by SM2

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by mantarey
 


Why would Rangel lie about another democrat?

What's the motive?



really? was that a serious question or sarcasm?

If it was serious then....just wow. When has Charley Rengal never lied? in his sleep?


Again....what's the motive?

--------
And by the way, truth be told - is the Obama admistration doing all that it can

to postpone all of the F&F bad news until after the election? -

Seek the truth.
edit on 21-6-2012 by Eurisko2012 because: (no reason given)


His motive would be to get even with the republicans that censured him? He is and always has been a petty, vindictive blow hard. Anything he could do to make the republicans look bad he has always jumped on it with vigor. How can you think a man censured and indicted for 11 ethics violation that primarily were lying would speak the truth?


That doesn't make any sense.


Charlie Rangel helped the republicans by stating the obvious.


The Obama administration is doing everything it can to postpone all of the

F&F bad news until after the election.



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