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Obama asserts executive privilege on Fast and Furious documents

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posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 02:45 AM
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Originally posted by knightwhosaysnih
reply to post by Nspekta
 


so.. when the head of the country is being dodgy.. who do you call to investigate that? noone that has authority over him would even be contact-able or willing to take him down.. because all this bs is part of their own agenda.

There is no answer, only pissed off masses wondering where to aim their anger.


what?

the supreme court, that's who.

and it'll probably make you happy to recall how it's stacked towards the GOP at present.




posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 02:46 AM
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Originally posted by derfreebie

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Is the corruption any more blatant?

Honestly, this is like watergate for god's sake. Executive Privilege? This should be illegal. If Congress asks you for something, you as President and Administration have a duty to provide it. They are the elected officials, they are the ones who are suppose to be check and balance.

This is really disgusting.

~Tenth

Thanks for the parallel to the Watergate coverup, and I had to reply to DarkKnight as well.
This is exactly ther reason why the Congress must step in and pound out a contempt
resolution. If the pudding we're being doled out lately could be reverse engineered by a
mercury poisoned fifth grader like me back into "How do we scrape up everybody's guns",
this might be the proof that might get me tipped over. Drool, what'sa 2nd Am say anyway??
And thanks again for the 'executive privilege'; I contend also that executive orders have been
increasingly the bane of checks and balances since Jefferson-- and lookitus NOW.


then you need to be advocating for changing the national security paradigm--not getting upset about one of the many side-effects.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 02:50 AM
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Originally posted by notionfreely
you are now aware george w. utilized executive privilege on six occasions.
re: janet reno
re: FBI conf.informant scandal
re: justice department deliberations regarding clinton campaign
re: Dick Cheney's meetings with energy executives
re: information regarding pres. council Harriet Miers and Sara Taylor
re: testimony of Miers and Taylor
re: death of ranger Pat Tillman
re: Karl Rove subpoena


You are now aware there are 8 things you listed, not 6.

You are now aware you come off as a pompous jerk.

You are now aware you need evidence for your claims.

You are now aware you need to deny ignorance.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 03:16 AM
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Originally posted by litterbaux

You are now aware there are 8 things you listed, not 6.

You are now aware you come off as a pompous jerk.

You are now aware you need evidence for your claims.

You are now aware you need to deny ignorance.


ah, good ol' fashioned american amnesia.

if you went back and actually read, you'd have noticed that was 'occasions,' instances are generally more expansive.

part of record, but hey, I'm always happy to help someone too lazy to google, since I'm sure you're only interested in the GW era, I'll just focus on those.

writ.news.findlaw.com...

www.nytimes.com...

www.time.com...

articles.cnn.com...
OLITICS

seattletimes.nwsource.com...

www.reuters.com...

SEC:

www.nytimes.com...


'you are now aware' usually functions to reiterate missed facts, there are several here.
try adding something constructive to a conversation, it can help.

[tangentially, though not really your fault:

deny, according to the oxford english dictionary:

1. refuse to admit the truth or existence of.
2. refuse to give (something requested or desired) to (someone). • (deny oneself) go without. • (archaic) refuse access to.
- ORIGIN ME: from OFr. deni-, deneier, from L. denegare, from de- ‘formally’ + negare ‘say no’.

ignorance:
lack of knowledge or information.

so, I shall refuse to admit the truth/existence of a lack of information?
or shall I deny you the ignorance brought about by aforementioned amnesia?]
edit on 21-6-2012 by notionfreely because: amended



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 03:48 AM
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Arent they all in the same gang anyway?? What does it matter.

Iran Contra Hearings: Go look it up!!!

This isnt the first time a President has "deniability". I am not having Obamas back at all. Juss sayen.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 04:08 AM
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The idea of a government was flawed from the beginning, the only problem is keeping those that are loyal and true in and the liars and deceivers out. Greed and corruption is more common then loyalty and truthfulness. Corruption is happening on a daily basis for all to see and nothing is done about it. Executive order wild cards that can be played at anytime. Why is that? Well it's simple because you can't have a government being governed by it's own rules. Don't you see? This government isn't for them it's for you. To be governed is to be a slave. Don't believe me? look up the definition of Govern and you will see words like..

To rule over,
Influence over,
Restrain
Control
To exercise authority,



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 05:00 AM
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Simply obnoxious! Where is all this transparency we have been sold, all the change we were promised? I understand that the President must use EP to protect the interests of the country when required, but since when is covering one's own ass part of protecting the country? If this administration gets re-elected, and continues their "we can do anything we want" attitude, we are all in big trouble. As bad as Bush may have been, it at least didn't seem so illegal and/or personally self-serving.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 05:01 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by RealSpoke


A magical unemployment prediction rate that Romney pulled out of thin air holds more weight to you than human lives.


Not that Mittens can do better,but can he really do worse then what Obama has done ?

Can he really have a higher Unemployment record,and Polarize America,any worse then Obama ?


Im waiting for Obama to pull "executive privilege" on his fiasco of a Presidency !







edit on 20-6-2012 by sonnny1 because: (no reason given)


Doesn't Romney represent the interests of corporate America? Sure he'll be good for business....and thats about it.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 06:31 AM
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The Fast & Furious scandal is a Psyop to get the public away from the fact Obama sold China the LRAD weapon.

President Clinton put sanctions on China for arming Iran. The sanction forbids America from selling weapons to China. Obama got the State Department to declare LRAD "not a weapon" so it could be exported to China.

LRAD is not a speaker. It's a directed energy weapon firing two signals out of phase that come together at point "A" to create sound. China now has our sound weapon technology.

That's why you are seeing this Psyop over some rifles to Mexico.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 06:57 AM
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From the very start of this little episode, I had my doubts that it was something new started under the Obama presidency. These things usually go back way further then the press and others let on, but are not mentioned due to the attempted damage control measures and, well, it all helps to take peoples minds off all the other s**t that they are doing.


So, there I was, aimlessly browsing the news stories yesterday, when I found this: Sorry if it has already been posted, I couldn't be arsed to look back through every page of replies.

www.huffingtonpost.com...


WASHINGTON — A briefing paper prepared for Attorney General Michael Mukasey during the Bush administration in 2007 outlined failed attempts by federal agents to track illicitly purchased guns across the border into Mexico and stressed the need for U.S. and Mexican law enforcement officials to work together on such efforts using a tactic that now is generating controversy.

The information contained in one paragraph of a lengthy Nov. 16, 2007, document marks the first known instance of an attorney general being given information about the tactic known as "gun-walking." It since has become controversial amid a probe by congressional Republicans criticizing the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for using it during the Obama administration in an arms-trafficking investigation called Operation Fast and Furious that focused on several Phoenix-area gun shops.


So, the previous admin WERE mired in this little escapade too! Of course, it probably goes back even further and probably makes Iran-Contra pale by scope and comparison.


Invoking executive privilege is what they always do when the brown smelly stuff starts nearing the fan. Us mere mortals are not permitted to know the extent to which our (elected?) officials involved in corruption and murder. Voting one lot out and putting someone else from the same background in is a joke and just helps to maintain their control. The only way to change anything is to remove every last one of the ruling class and start over... and string up a few big bankers and financiers along the way as a warning!



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 07:14 AM
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There is a great article on this by the NRA that describes the whole sordid affair. Each President has been tested and called out by congress and the senate. Reagan - Iran Contra, Clinton - yeah you know, Bush II leaks, now we have Obeyme with his facist socialist agenda to make gun owners look like the bad guys here.

This is truly a test of the whole system folks. If the Congress and Senate allow this, then we are in deeper you know what than you can ever imagine. If this travesty allowed, you might as well pack your bags and head elsewhere because the country we love is truly dead and the only way we will get it back is through true revolution.

Write your congressman and senator and let them know this cannot be permitted. If you are unfortunate and have an Obeyme representative then your fvoice will go unheard.

Viva la revelucion!!!!

The government should fear the people and it may be time to get the tar and feathers.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by seeker1963
reply to post by Nspekta
 


Flashback!!! The only time this guy tells the truth, is when his mouth is shut1




This is so funny! This video should be played back to him while the public watches,lol.What a freakin' hypocrite! This is a classic.
If ANY American did this the HS would be there within minutes of getting this word, and kick down our door to our house and beat us up and then have the media to tell the world what a homegrown terrorist we were while not even letting us say a word in our defense.
Now for the obvious question. Why are they NOT kicking down the White House doors, or the doors to Eric Holder's house and beating them up...etc. ?? Power or no power they are American's that are under the same laws as us and SHOULD be held by the same standard of treatment when perpetrating criminal action and murder. They may have power....but they are still human, I'm guessing.

edit on 21-6-2012 by Phenomium because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 08:36 AM
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I cant really comment on internal American affairs/politics as I am not American and so it is not my place to do so as I dont know much about the internal politics of America anyway. But what I will say is this. Surely if this Executive privilege thingy is in place and exposed as a tool to cover things up, does this now bode well for Disclourse? Will the Govt be now forced to release documents and new information pertaining to UFO's and Ailen visitation? And on other things too? This may well turn out to be the key to unlocking that 60 year vault that has been locked up for way too long!



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by Pervius
The Fast & Furious scandal is a Psyop to get the public away from the fact Obama sold China the LRAD weapon.

President Clinton put sanctions on China for arming Iran. The sanction forbids America from selling weapons to China. Obama got the State Department to declare LRAD "not a weapon" so it could be exported to China.

LRAD is not a speaker. It's a directed energy weapon firing two signals out of phase that come together at point "A" to create sound. China now has our sound weapon technology.

That's why you are seeing this Psyop over some rifles to Mexico.


The Fast & Furious Scandal is a crime scene.

Eric Holder and Obama have blood on their hands.

They have an Anti - 2nd Amendment Agenda.
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The strategy now is to buy some time with - executive privilege -.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 08:40 AM
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I cant really comment on internal American affairs/politics as I am not American and so it is not my place to do so as I dont know much about the internal politics of America anyway.

This is ATS.
You don't have to know what you are talking about to comment.
But this is how we learn.
So never hold back what you are thinking!



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by Pervius
The Fast & Furious scandal is a Psyop to get the public away from the fact Obama sold China the LRAD weapon.

President Clinton put sanctions on China for arming Iran. The sanction forbids America from selling weapons to China. Obama got the State Department to declare LRAD "not a weapon" so it could be exported to China.

LRAD is not a speaker. It's a directed energy weapon firing two signals out of phase that come together at point "A" to create sound. China now has our sound weapon technology.

That's why you are seeing this Psyop over some rifles to Mexico.


The Fast & Furious Scandal is a crime scene.

Eric Holder and Obama have blood on their hands.

They have an Anti - 2nd Amendment Agenda.
-------
The strategy now is to buy some time with - executive privilege -.


fast and furious was started by bush, and ended by obama...30,000 gun deaths in america a year...obama HAS NOT initiated or even proposed ANY type of gun control...supporters of the brady bill have given obama an "F" grade on gun control......these facts are widely known EVERYWHERE BUT right-wing media....this website embraces ignorance.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by Pervius
The Fast & Furious scandal is a Psyop to get the public away from the fact Obama sold China the LRAD weapon.

President Clinton put sanctions on China for arming Iran. The sanction forbids America from selling weapons to China. Obama got the State Department to declare LRAD "not a weapon" so it could be exported to China.

LRAD is not a speaker. It's a directed energy weapon firing two signals out of phase that come together at point "A" to create sound. China now has our sound weapon technology.

That's why you are seeing this Psyop over some rifles to Mexico.


The Fast & Furious Scandal is a crime scene.

Eric Holder and Obama have blood on their hands.

They have an Anti - 2nd Amendment Agenda.
-------
The strategy now is to buy some time with - executive privilege -.


fast and furious was started by bush, and ended by obama...30,000 gun deaths in america a year...obama HAS NOT initiated or even proposed ANY type of gun control...supporters of the brady bill have given obama an "F" grade on gun control......these facts are widely known EVERYWHERE BUT right-wing media....this website embraces ignorance.


Fast & Furious was a manufactured crisis to be taken advantage of until it blew up

in their faces with the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Now Holder and Obama are in full damage control mode.

The purpose of the executive privilege is to simply buy themselves some time and

everybody knows it.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:04 AM
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fast and furious was started by bush, and ended by obama

Fast and Furious began in 2009, after GW Bush left office.



posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:08 AM
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See the article I posted a link to above. It may have become known as "Fast and Furious" under the Obama admin, but had other previous names under Bush, and probably others still before he came to office. In other words, no matter what the name is, it's an ongoing, longstanding operation, and will likely remain so as long as the US government and it's agencies are allowed to prop up the cartels and reap the benefits of the vast sums in drug profit.


SM2

posted on Jun, 21 2012 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by Pervius
The Fast & Furious scandal is a Psyop to get the public away from the fact Obama sold China the LRAD weapon.

President Clinton put sanctions on China for arming Iran. The sanction forbids America from selling weapons to China. Obama got the State Department to declare LRAD "not a weapon" so it could be exported to China.

LRAD is not a speaker. It's a directed energy weapon firing two signals out of phase that come together at point "A" to create sound. China now has our sound weapon technology.

That's why you are seeing this Psyop over some rifles to Mexico.


The Fast & Furious Scandal is a crime scene.

Eric Holder and Obama have blood on their hands.

They have an Anti - 2nd Amendment Agenda.
-------
The strategy now is to buy some time with - executive privilege -.


fast and furious was started by bush, and ended by obama...30,000 gun deaths in america a year...obama HAS NOT initiated or even proposed ANY type of gun control...supporters of the brady bill have given obama an "F" grade on gun control......these facts are widely known EVERYWHERE BUT right-wing media....this website embraces ignorance.




actually, Fast and Furious started under Obama. Operation Wide Receiver started under bush, and was also ended under bush. The difference between the two, The Bush administration actually tracked the guns allowed to walk. Fast and Furious nothing was tracked and bodies began to pile up. While the methods were very similar, they are miles apart in execution. One was used properly (even though i do not agree with the methods) the other was used as a tool to get back door gun control. Remember when Obama said that " I am working behind the scenes to get gun control laws made" ?

time line :

2006–2007: Operation Wide Receiver

Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011, nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms.[18] As of November, charges against one defendant had been dropped; five of them had pled guilty, and one had been sentenced to one year and one day in prison. Two of them remained fugitives



2009–2011: Operation Fast and Furious

By June 2010, suspects had purchased 1,608 firearms at a cost of over US$1 million at Phoenix-area gun shops. At that time, the ATF was also aware of 179 of those weapons being found at crime scenes in Mexico, and 130 in the United States.[8] As guns traced to Fast and Furious began turning up at violent crime scenes in Mexico, ATF agents stationed there also voiced opposition.

On the evening of December 14, 2010, U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry and others were patrolling Peck Canyon, Santa Cruz County, Arizona, 11 miles from the Mexican border. The group came across five suspected illegal immigrants. When they fired non-lethal beanbag guns, the suspects responded with their own weapons, leading to a firefight. Agent Terry was shot and killed; four of the suspects were arrested and two AK-pattern rifles were found nearby. The rifles were traced to Fast and Furious within hours of the shooting, but the bullet that killed Terry was too badly damaged to be linked to either gun.

Altogether, 2,020 firearms were bought by straw purchasers during Fast and Furious.[3] These included AK-47 variants, Barrett .50 caliber sniper rifles, .38 caliber revolvers, and FN Five-sevens.[34] As of October 20, 2011, 389 had been recovered in the US and 276 had been recovered in Mexico. The rest remained on the streets, unaccounted for.[15] Most of the guns went to the Sinaloa Cartel, while others made their way to El Teo and La Familia.[2][25]

source :en.wikipedia.org...


so comparing fast and furious to wide receiver is just a poltical maneuver to soften the blow and yet again pass the the blame to someone other then his adminstration.




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