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posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 11:28 AM
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reply to post by ThoughtIsMadness
 


Exactly.
Return to source.




posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 11:30 AM
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they lie endlessly only bc they got smthg, opportunists have a surprising enthousiasm, they could kill for the illusion got of smthg
so enlightenment he means is simply that he is not alone, but who doesnt know that
it is amazing how they have no shame to repeat same words that lack the least of logics while stepping clearly upon rights for

they prefer one not else, bc they mean the one powerful, as they mean with their teeth themselves



posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 11:34 AM
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Lets use the usual example of an illusion. Lets take the superimposition concept of the rope and the snake. Is there anyone who would like to explain this to me for a better understanding of what everyone calls an illusion.And also if god is the only real thing and we are not, how did one come to this conclusion.
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posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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Illusion is any/all appearance (inclusively).
The seer does not appear.



posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
I wouldn't listen to Noreaster if i were you he doesn't know what he is talking about, he will try to flog you his book to you soon.
He doesn't understand what i speak, so assumes i don't know what i am talking about, it is beyond his grasp, he is very rude and condesending.
He says i can't explain it but check out my posts and see if you agree. I will post these links to all the others that know what i know.
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My book? You actually think I'm going to offer it into this conversation? You're dreaming. I gave it away for months to try and find someone to debunk it, and that's all I did with it here. Ever. Not that you'd ever understand an effort like that, since you're one of those people who have it all figured out and don't need to verify what you've determined. That book was written to make it available to critics and debunkers. I never really marketed it even though I did allow it to be available while I was vetting it, and right now I'm doing a final edition of it that includes all the stuff I learned from people who actually took the time to pick it apart. Serious thinkers and brilliant minds that took the challenge and improved on what I discovered. Hell, that's what anyone who's actually discovered something worth sharing is supposed to do.

You haven't even got a definable premise that contains whatever this semantics convulsion is that you're obsessed with. Nothing. Just random phrases that ultimately get so inverted and confused that they literally cancel themselves out before you run out of drive to shut down all posts that disagree with you.

Oh yeah, and tons of YouTube clips. If you and I don't exist, then why are you wasting your time getting indignant with me? I'd be long gone if what you claim is true. So, if you're right, then why aren't you long gone? Really. Your presence here makes no sense at all if what you believe to know is actually true.
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posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by Theophorus
reply to post by BlueMule
 
our separateness from god is an illusion? Is god not infinite and we finite?and if that is the case wouldnt my perception of that statement be an illusion to? In other words,how can anyone superimpose the finite on the infinite?

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i guess he could reply, well it is a kind of special god, who enjoy possessing finites, then i would say
well u know, for infinite to possess finite that god is the wrong side of infinity, he grasps finites to not get too far in abysses of infinity



posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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Freedom is here for the taking if you open your mind. If you are not ready then you are not ready. Why are you on a philosopy and meta physics forum if you are not open minded? Is it just to tell us we are all wrong and stupid?



posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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The ego-self is on the attack through NorEaster! Attacks are to be expected whereever there is any sort of threat to the ego.

It's a manifestation of the parapsychological sheep-goat effect. He's a goat.

Well, let him attack. Conflict is meaningless, and I'm done with this thread anyway.



posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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I know, full of mind.
Being controlled by mind.
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posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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Freedom is here for the taking if you open your mind. If you are not ready then you are not ready. Why are you on a philosopy and meta physics forum if you are not open minded? Is it just to tell us we are all wrong and stupid?


Metaphysics is not philosophy. Just like philosophy is not psychology. Metaphysics is the examination of what IS and philosophy is the examination of what the human mind is capable of supposing. Two very different examinations. I don't come here to philosophize. I come here to learn about what IS or even what might actually be. I learned that quantum physics establishes the indivisible unit of action, which - in the end - determines the true nature of physical reality. I had no idea that this had already been established decades ago. I learned that the human mind - while the human brain is still functional - experiences conscious thought between .5 to 7 seconds after the thought itself has been configured and set into dynamic existence by the brain, and that corporeal conscious awareness is actually experienced as "immediate memory".

This is why I come here. I also come here to challenge people who have views that are significant, or that - if true - could have a significant impact on the way that people experience reality. I challenge them in the very same way that I once challenged Jesus-deniers (people who claimed that the historical Jesus never existed). I stopped challenging them when I learned that they were right. Same with the 9/11 Truthers that claimed that the official conspiracy theory was a complete lie. This is how I learn, and as far as I can tell, this is how all people learn. By challenging theories they never heard before, and seeing if they can get their *sses whipped by the proponents of those theories.

Until a few years ago, I had no experience at all in the fields of philosophy or metaphysics or physics or any of this stuff. I learn in public and without any fear whatsoever. I learn by challenging people like you to defend what you claim is true, and if you can't or wont, then I point it out that you didn't or wouldn't. I figure that for every one of us who posts here, there are 50-100 lurkers that have the same need to learn that we do. I challenge you and others on their behalf as well.

Some of my assertions are posted to attract challenges. Hell, if I can't defend an assertion, then I shouldn't be making it. Faith is bullsh*t when it comes to determining what's real. All faith is good for is getting people to stop asking questions about stuff you want them to believe.
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posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by Theophorus
This goes out to all you New agers.To be enlightened is to be aware. To have an awareness of something, one must have KNOWLEDGE of the existence of that something. In this case that something being enlightenment or awareness which in turn can only be boiled down to knowledge itself.Now, People are finite beings meaning we have limited boundaries. The knowledge we gain is also finite. Point being made is that in our finite state enlightenment is un-obtainable.Anyone looking into there finite self to find infinite knowledge is just kidding themself.


Do a computer connected to the internet have the possability to get information from other computers that is shared? Just because the computer only have little data do not mean it cannot access and extreme amount of data.

Enlightened means to be in the light for me. The connection is on. The Crown chakra is flowing with energy. It does not equal wisdom but a possibility to get wisdom by seeking it. When the crown chakra flows the third eye soon wakes up. And then the fun begins. Synchronicity.



posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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Poor NorEaster, he has spent thousands of hours relentlessly gazing and picking at philosophy and science books, learning to mimic their words and ideas, just to troll a conspiracy website and shout people down for an ego kick.

"I refuse to read about what the most peaceful and content people on earth have realized about life, I am busy trying to realize something no one has found before, even if it drives me insane. Hopefully this will give me the credibility and recognition I am so desperately seeking. I need it!"



posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 12:24 PM
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Ive investigated Advaita and found it to be true. The mind superimposes itself over reality which itself is naked and without superimposition. When One realizes that One's mind is not who they are, then the Illusion is dropped and there is a Union with the Oneness of the All.

Do you really want to play the "looking into their finite self to find Infinite Knowledge is kidding themselves" card?

I looked into myself and eventually found there is no me, there is only WHat is, which is everything and everything is One. Mind is Illusion superimposition machine.

We have tthousands of years of philosophy, metaphysics, esotericism, and probably hundreds of thousands of books all pointing to this. Some of the greatest minds in History knew this and advocated it
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posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by BlueMule
To be enlightened is to move your identity from the tiny little ego-self to the center of the psyche. That can be a scary journey from the insane perspective of the ego-self, which must die and be reborn. Based on your post I would guess that ego-self perspective is YOUR perspective.


What an egotistical thing to do, to elevate oneself over another.



posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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Enlightenment is just another illusion. There are an infinite number of concepts to learn like little pieces of an infinite stream of puzzles. Enlightenment as I came to learn it which I'm sure is false appears to suggest there is some end to it all, a turning point from unenlightend to enlightened, once someone has reached that they are finished or done. I'd rather grow forever.

After solving a number of these puzzles happiness or a kind of peace and calmness might emerge but I wouldn't say that is (complete) enlightenment. Really there is so much to learn and that is just this one planet, who knows how much more there is out there.
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posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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What an egotistical thing to do, to elevate oneself over another.

ego death and enlightenment is not egotistical, it is anti-egotistiacal. The ego dies and is seen as false. There is nothing to say, no point to defend, no claim to make, as its all ego based. Just sit back and smile. Others can say what they want, write books and think their untouchable like Noreaster, try to come at you at so many different ways, but the one in ego death sits backs and smiles, its all the arising and falling of reality. Their is nothing to be said, as even a slice or chamber of reality like what noreaster carved out w/ his book is all allowable.

But in the End, the Oneness trumps all, undefinable, transcendent, beyond and yet intimately present and accessible.

Any position taken to defend or attack, is just a bias, a position, a piece, an angle, a section. Enlightenment is no bias, no position/all positions, no piece/all pieces, no angles and all angles, no sections and all sections



posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by dominicus
Just sit back and smile.


It must be really really hard to kill this ego then?



posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Enlightenment is just another illusion. There are an infinite number of concepts to learn like little pieces of an infinite stream of puzzles. Enlightenment as I came to learn it which I'm sure is false appears to suggest there is some end to it all, a turning point from unenlightend to enlightened, once someone has reached that they are finished or done. I'd rather grow forever.

After solving a number of these puzzles happiness or a kind of peace and calmness might emerge but I wouldn't say that is (complete) enlightenment. Really there is so much to learn and that is just this one planet, who knows how much more there is out there.
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exactly, in my opinion that word is out of evil oness, it looks their ways, from its opposite darkness they invented light

as usual they use symbols of truth they kill for new opportunists life, i guess enlightenment is selling all kind of conscious slavery, as thy know that conscious is forbidden to touch

imagine we are trap in tht body and place and powers as conscious beings which is nothing objectively but all us the most superior since conscious is what know fast by perception and nothing, while we are trappeed there and force to see worms and all kind of dirty things passing over us bc supported by gods to enslave us as bodies conscious for god needs

how gods cant do what they need by them it is incredible what one must know, how gods when seeing small conscious in vast space they mean immediately to enslave it till the end since it is small, how for gods small dont matter what suffer
wat enlightenemnt?? to see that gods are such monsters with infinite powers for on us?? only same say that



posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by dominicus
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Ive investigated Advaita and found it to be true. The mind superimposes itself over reality which itself is naked and without superimposition. When One realizes that One's mind is not who they are, then the Illusion is dropped and there is a Union with the Oneness of the All.

Do you really want to play the "looking into their finite self to find Infinite Knowledge is kidding themselves" card?

I looked into myself and eventually found there is no me, there is only WHat is, which is everything and everything is One. Mind is Illusion superimposition machine.

We have tthousands of years of philosophy, metaphysics, esotericism, and probably hundreds of thousands of books all pointing to this. Some of the greatest minds in History knew this and advocated it
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advaita philosophy accept as "real" that which neither changes nor ceases to exist~ in the words of Shankara .what is meant by that? Considering what you said the mind superimposes over reality
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posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 01:22 PM
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advaita philosophy accept as "real" that which neither changes nor ceases to exist~ in the words of Shankara .what is meant by that?

there is 2 ways to explain this and would have to see within what context that quote was written.

in 1 way, the awareness which is aware of the mind never changes. Moods good/bad come and go, Awareness remains aware of them both. Cravings, lust, greed, ego, etc all comes and goes, but the inherent awareness of who you are remains unchanged and remains aware of the comings and goings of the human experience.

in a 2(second way), Once you are directly experiencing yourself as Awareness, and directly experience that you are not the mind, you will come to find that, upon further investigation, this Awareness is inherently linked to Oneness (which itself is what never changes nor ceases to exist).

In my experience, Awareness is like the drop of water, and Oneness is the Infinite Ocean. However while you remain at the mind/I/Ego identity level, it is impossible to transcend mend from the level of mind to drop back into the Ocean.

For me it was NEti Neti. Not this Not this. I read a Koan that said the following:

Just like the thought of a rock, is not an actual rock; so who you think you are, is not who you actually are.

I saw directly that the thought of a rock, is just an imaginary representation, of an actual real rock, which was solid, real, everyone else can see it, can be used as a paper weight, or tossed through a window, or smashed into the face of the powers that be. However, the thought of a rock can't be used to do any of those physical things. Its just imaginary, a superimposition.

I found that to be just logically true. There is really no way to refute that.

So the next step was, to find out who I am that is not a thought, the real me. Well no matter what conclusion I came to, it always concluded in thought. Well thought is all B.S. super imposed imagination. So basically I rejected all thought, all superimposition, all mind stuff ....and in doing so, there was a shift beyond the mind, beyond I, beyond ego.

I remained as Pure awareness, free from self, free from ego, I could now witness the ego and all of its madness, craziness, habits, from a third person perspective. Investigating further, I found hat this Awareness was intimately linked with its source which was Oneness.

In that Oneness, there is no longer the Awareness, the ego, the I, all is One. There is no You there to experience that or be that, its just One thing. Its the Supreme, the Ultimate, the Ace of Spades.

Anything that's not that, is all mind based illusion, and yet it is all allowed because in the Supreme everything is One. Its a paradox from the mind point of view. But from the point of View of the One, all paradox makes complete sense.





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