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Nevertheless, the degree to which modulated HF heating can be consistently used to inject ELF/VLF waves upward into the overlying magnetosphere, and the total ELF power radiated by such a source is not understood at a quantitative level.
It is not startling at all. The propagation of any sort of long wavelength radiation is hit or miss, depending on the conditions of the ionosphere and magnetosphere.
4 watts.Terrifying. Just think, 10 times more power and it would be equal to your refrigerator light bulb.
the total ELF power radiated by such a source is not understood at a quantitative level
The propagation of any sort of long wavelength radiation is hit or miss, depending on the conditions of the ionosphere and magnetosphere.
I think your link to a "recording" of HAARP is mostly nonsense starting with the fact that it says that the signal "was monitored on 3.39 MHZ" and the chart itself is showing frequencies in the range of 4kHz. Never mind the part where he claims that ions are accelerated to the speed of light by the signal from HAARP.
Although early Greek and Roman philosophers such as Aristoteles and Seneca theorised on the phenomenon of aurora, it was only in the 18th century that any serious interpretation was attempted. Many explanations revolved around the reflection of sunlight by ice crystals, clouds or atmospheric gases. Only after the spectral measurements of Angström in 1867 did it become clear that the aurora was caused by optical emissions of the atmospheric gases themselves.
By shooting intense radio beams into the night sky, researchers created a modest neon light show visible from the ground. The process is not well understood, but scientists speculate it could one day be employed to light a city or generate celestial advertisements.
And yet again you demonstrate that you don't understand your own sources. HAARP does not transmit ELF. The HF signal it produces can be used to induce ELF radiation. Very low powered ELF radiation, and it can only do that when the conditions allow it.
Interesting that you would think I would believe that millions (some sources say billions) of dollars were spent in order to shine a dim refrigerator bulb at the ionosphere.
Yes you did. And I pointed out two major blunders in it. It's nonsense. Full and complete.
The link I put up:
Why would I claim the aurora is ice crystals or an illusion? It isn't. It's caused by the interaction of solar particles with the atmosphere. See, through the use of science we learn things about the way things work. HAARP is being used to learn things about the way the ionosphere works.
I guess the Aurora is just some kind of an illusion then that we really aren't seeing at all? It must be frustrating, for you, not to be able to claim:
But I guess you know more than the HAARP guys who say they don't understand it.
One result of this Aquarian technology is that age-old meditation practices suddenly bring no results.
I don't know what HAARP really does...
HAARP does not transmit ELF.
Why would I claim the aurora is ice crystals or an illusion?
They understand a lot more than I do. Yes, it's pretty interesting that HAARP could produce a visible effect in the aurora. The scientists have been working with the concept for a long time. It looks like they happened to hit the right conditions that night. Not sure if they've managed to duplicate it. What does that have to do with ELF radiation?
WINCS is designed to study Earth's volatile ionosphere and thermosphere (the portions of our atmosphere stretching from about 60 miles to more than 350 miles above the planet's surface.)
No, I said nothing about the aurora. You brought it up and I asked you what it has to do with ELF radiation.
You brought it up - just going with the flow but back to the refrigerator bulb:
The commentator is full of crap. HAARP cannot focus a beam. Using the phased array the spreading of the beam can be limited and a certain amount of steering can be done. HAARP's antennas are spread over an area of 30.6 acres. Each antenna is powered by two transmitters of 10kW each. Combined, the 180 antennas can produce a total of 3.6 MW. Let's do some math. 30.6 acres is the same as 1,238,338,070 square cm. Take that 3.6MW and spread it over that 30.6 acres and you get a power density of .003 watts/square cm. That's 3 thousandths of a watt right at the antenna array.
At 6:57 John Heckscher, Project Manager HAARP: "You know, you put one watt out and you've got the field necessary to break down the air or whatever happens."
At 7:14 commentator: "That was one watt per centimeter. HAARP focuses 3.6 million watts and squeezes it into a billionwatt or gigawatt beam."
The word volatile bothers you? Yes, the ionosphere is volatile. Its conditions can change rapidly.
The essence of this experiment is that nobody really knows what will happen and nobody really knows if there will be an uncontrollable trigger effect in the highly volatile ionosphere.
volatile
adjective
Definition: 1. likely to change suddenly
More than a decade ago, technologist Fred Herrero realized that to truly understand the ever-changing dynamics of Earth’s upper atmosphere, he would need an armada of satellites gathering simultaneous, multipoint measurements. With satellites costing $100 million or more, he knew that was out of the question.
The commentator is full of crap. HAARP cannot focus a beam.
In antenna theory, a phased array is an array of antennas in which the relative phases of the respective signals feeding the antennas are varied in such a way that the effective radiation pattern of the array is reinforced in a desired direction and suppressed in undesired directions.
Basically, the IRI is what is known as a phased array transmitter. It is designed to transmit a narrow beam of high power radio signals in the 2.8 to 10 MHz frequency range.
There are 180 towers, 72' in height mounted on thermopiles spaced 80' apart in a 12 x 15 rectangular grid. Each tower supports near its top, two pairs of crossed dipole antennas, one for the low band (2.8 to 8.3 MHz), the other for the high band (7 to 10 MHz).
That is much less than a microwave oven but they fact that the use a microwave oven in that stupid video demonstrates their dishonesty. HAARP does not transmit microwaves.
John Heckscher probably said that but, oops, it somehow didn't make it into the stupid video.
You know that the Sun pumps millions of times more energy into the ionosphere every second than HAARP could in years of continuous operation?
You will note that I said it was a phased array. Your link describing a phased array states it quite well. A signal can be directed in a chosen direction and its spreading can be limited. That's what I said.
Remain calm. HAARPsters, themselves, call this a phased array.
He is talking about effective radiated power (ERP). ERP is a theoretical value determined by the gain of the antenna system. Depending on the frequency used the ERP of HAARP can actually be greater than 1GW but as I said the beam spreads. The further from the antenna array, the wider it is. The wider it is the lower the power density.
"We're squeezing the mega-watts into a narrow beam, then in a very tiny area you can create what's called an effective gigawatt."
I know that HAARP does not use microwaves.
But you know best - right?
I think he didn't say that HAARP can produce a power density of 1watt/square centimeter. I think that whole segment was edited to imply that he did. The value (0.2 microwatts) I gave for power density in the ionosphere includes the calculations for ERP using a transmitted frequency of 3.0MHz (typical of that used for ELF experiments). At it's highest frequency the power density would be about 4 microwatts (4 millionths of a watt). Not even close to 1watt/square cm.
You old conspiracy theorist you! What do you think he said?
No. I'm saying that the power of HAARP is not focused.
Are you saying that now the sun has decided to use a phased array antenna against us to focus itself on selected places?
Originally posted by luxordelphi
The essence of this experiment is that nobody really knows what will happen and nobody really knows if there will be an uncontrollable trigger effect in the highly volatile ionosphere.
Originally posted by Springer
Let's focus on the TOPIC, not your fellow members.
Springer...
I'm saying that the effects of HAARP on the ionosphere are insignificant in comparison to those of the Sun and other natural phenomena.
transmitting said electromagnetic radiation from said earth's surface substantially parallel to and along at least one of the earth's naturally occurring and diverging magnetic field lines and focused so as to provide a power flux of about 0.1 to about 1 watt per square centimeter at an altitude of at least 250 km;
While grilling a steak at his backyard, Eastlund used a cooking analogy to illustrate HAARP's anticipated surface power level of one-watt per square centimeter. "You wouldn't be too worried about that, would you?" he asked. "You've got that in your microwave oven. You cook your turkey with it."
The Ottawa-based Planetary Association for Clean Energy claims that Phase 1 testing of HAARP at one gigawatt effective radiated power has been underway since "initial tuning" began on December 14, 1994.
But there's a glitch. Begich reports that an expanded $175 million antenna array capable of focusing Phase 2's four gigawatts of radiated power has yet to be funded.
HAARP's inventor agrees. Sort of. "What is up there now is not in my opinion big enough to be concerned about," Eastlund said. "It has to be used judiciously but it's not the kind of power level that can do the stuff that's in my patents yet. But they're getting up there. This is a very powerful device. Especially if they go to the expanded stage."
The Air Force is not advertising its Phase 3 timetable. During a January, 1996 interview which CBC television's "Undercurrents", HAARP project manager John Hecksur denied the existence of Technical Memorandum 195, which outlines projected HAARP tests. This was interesting. Because paging through my own copy of the October, 1991 Technical Memorandum No. 195, I found on page 185 a call by the Ionospheric Effects Division of the US Air Force Phillips Laboratory for HAARP to reach a peak power output of 100 gigawatts.
At 10 gigawatts, Eastlund claims his ionospheric heater will form an "artificial magnetic field" about 10-fold greater than the field strength naturally occurring between the ground-based antenna and 50 kilometers altitude. At 100 billion watts effective radiated power, all environmental bets are off.
Originally posted by AndyMayhew
Originally posted by luxordelphi
The essence of this experiment is that nobody really knows what will happen and nobody really knows if there will be an uncontrollable trigger effect in the highly volatile ionosphere.
Sorry to butt in, but what do you mean by 'highly volatile' ionosphere?
I know that the ionosphere varies in extent and density all the time, due to Earths rotation and variations in solar output, is that what you mean?
Some 50 miles up in the sky begins a dynamic region of the atmosphere known as the ionosphere. The region is filled with charged particles created by extreme ultraviolet radiation from the sun. At the base of the ionosphere, charged particle motions create a global current called the "atmospheric dynamo." Generally moving in loops from the equator to the poles, the dynamo changes daily based on solar heating and magnetic activity – but what keeps it moving isn't well understood.
One in each pair will measure data about the charged or "ionized" gas -- called plasma -- as well as the neutral gas, through which it travels.
At ionospheric altitude some disturbances and physical processes are related to seismic activity, thunderstorm activity and some global changes in the Earth environment such as ozone holes.
Despite a long history of ionospheric space investigations, the physical properties of ionospheric plasma are still not well understood.
It has been detected that there are distinct ionospheric anomalies located over areas of seismic activity. There is supporting evidence that electromagnetic emissions propagate from the ground causing these disturbances and other such phenomena such as earthquake lights and magnetic aberrations.
To add to the complexity of these events, other phenomena have been known to compliment earthquakes such as magnetic disturbances and aurora borealis. In addition, “earthquake lights” (characterized as luminous glows lasting several seconds) have been periodically recorded dating back to ancient Greek writings and were first captured on camera during the Japaneese Matsushiro earthquake of 1965.
Extensive studies have been performed to measure aberrations within the ionosphere and magnetosphere to determine the possible causes for these effects. The results show a buildup of electromagnetic radiation over localized regions in the ELF/VLF/LF ranges.
In addition, several statistical studies performed on a magnetometer located in close proximity to an 8.0 (Richter scale) earthquake off the cost of Guam in 1993. The study showed that there was a significant magnetic disturbance that built up in the weeks prior to the earthquake and that the data suggests that the anomalies were not related to disturbances occurring within the geomagnetic system3.
A rest period. Do you know at which time of day the aurora (australis and borealis) are active? Do you think the ionosphere is "resting" when the aurora are occurring? Do you know how rarely the HAARP IRI is used? You can get an idea if you have a look at this thread and do a little investigating of your own. HAARP's own instruments will show you when the heater is in operation.
There's a rest period for some parts of the upper atmosphere because of night but not with HAARP.
Other then that video which you think is deviously edited, there are two other places that I've found the 1 watt per square centimeter:
Originally posted by luxordelphi
What I mean is dynamic and electrically charged and intimately related to things like electrical storms and earthquakes on earth.