Documentary about rape in the US military changes government policy, page 2


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reply posted on 19-6-2012 @ 12:51 PM by TDawgRex
reply to post by ModernAcademia



One of the major problems with rape in the military is that the perpetrators are rarely punished. And if they are, the punishment rarely fits the crime.

But there a many minor problems as well that lead to this. I have seen many women in my thirty years use their feminine wiles to get ahead and promoted to positions they have no right being in. Not all do this, but it is commonplace.

Then you have the women who try to fit in with the boys and behave like the rest of the crew and that is taken unconsciously that she has lesser morals and ethics. I’ve never seen anything good come from those situations either.

However I have seen and served with women who were very professional as well. They were tough and mentally stable people who knew how to lead by example. Of course…no one likes those kind of people regardless of their gender.

This blending of the genders in the military is a work in progress. While rape will unfortunately never go away, it will get better.

I wonder how other nations militaries deal with it?


reply posted on 19-6-2012 @ 01:00 PM by KnawLick
reply to post by seeker1963



If I came off as "blaming the women" in this situation, I'd apologize.

Under no circumstances is rape okay.... In my book its worse than murder.

I was merely trying to say I wouldn't want my daughter even in a situation where she is surrounded by men, with no oversight, in a strange country...



reply posted on 19-6-2012 @ 01:10 PM by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by KnawLick



Originally posted by KnawLick

Because War is Man's endeavor. Therefore we set the rules....


Where is it stated that war is "man's endeavor"? This is your opinion, right? And that's fine. But men and women have equal rights in this country.


You wouldn't tell a women when and where to have an abortion would you?


No, That's HER choice. Just like going to war.


reply posted on 19-6-2012 @ 01:20 PM by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by ModernAcademia



sigh

it's the dehumanization at the heart of military culture that causes this
simples

it's all about creating monsters, and for some it's all to easy to become one
anger,hate and fear turn the victims into more efficient killers as well


reply posted on 19-6-2012 @ 01:26 PM by ModernAcademia
So I unfortunately must sadly agree with the poster that says women should not serve in the army
That does NOT mean that they can't, they should be allowed

But every man should hope that they don't

I can understand the need for equality, absolutely
But I think they are more equal to each other while holding a gun
What about when you come to hand to hand combat?
Sure many women could kick many men's arses, but let's not lie and consider them equal
Men have more muscle and strenght than women
lung capacity is also required for flying a fighter jet and men have more lung capacity than women which of course varies by height of the individual.

I don't want to turn this into a PC thread
I'm just speaking as a husband and a son
I would rather go to war than my wife and would rather my father or me to go war instead of my mother

I say this because I put women on a pedestal, they are way higher than us
Hopefully I didn't offend anyone by this

I remember being at a corner store one night and everyone in the store heard gunshots, this was in NY at a late night.
A woman asked me "Would you be so kind to walk a lady to her car?", another woman heard her and asked me for the same respect.
Of course I did it gladly.

And of course you would never hear a man asking a woman to walk him to his car

I'm just saying man, that's all

There's an old saying during a fire or small evacuation "Women and children first"
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reply posted on 19-6-2012 @ 01:26 PM by DerepentLEstranger
Originally posted by KnawLick
reply to
post by tothetenthpower



So a women can carry a 100 pound pack, navigate courses, carry heavy weaponry and see people blown up in front of them just as well as men?



i imagine becoming dead inside as a result of being gang raped by "the guys" or a superior officer
and have it all swept under the rug helps.

the rapists will have no trouble killing and raping on the battlefield either


reply posted on 19-6-2012 @ 01:38 PM by KnawLick
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to
post by KnawLick



Originally posted by KnawLick

Because War is Man's endeavor. Therefore we set the rules....


Where is it stated that war is "man's endeavor"? This is your opinion, right? And that's fine. But men and women have equal rights in this country.


You wouldn't tell a women when and where to have an abortion would you?


No, That's HER choice. Just like going to war.


Okay? Did I say purge the military of women? No. Did I say women don't have a right to serve? No. Did I even say women that are serving are wrong? No..... Seems like your putting words in my mouth in an attempt to get me to illicit a negative response towards you. I said how I PERSONALLY feel, take it or leave it. Don't really care what your opinion of me or my views are. I just like debating....

War is as much a Man's endeavor as Child rearing is a Women's endeavor... Obviously there is overlap in both..


reply posted on 19-6-2012 @ 01:48 PM by The Sword
reply to post by KnawLick



Welcome to the 21st Century.

Hell, the poster after you already said it better than I could. There's no excuse for sexism even in the military.


reply posted on 19-6-2012 @ 01:51 PM by The Sword
reply to post by KnawLick



But you said it yourself.

Women should be around testosterone-laden men.

Do you realize how wrong this statement is?

If this is the case, then I suppose women should never be around large groups of men because she might get raped.

Do you realize how silly your logic is here?


reply posted on 19-6-2012 @ 01:51 PM by The Sword
Originally posted by The Sword
reply to
post by KnawLick



But you said it yourself. I interpret it as "Women shouldn't be around testosterone-laden men."

Do you realize how wrong this statement is?

If this is the case, then I suppose women should never be around large groups of men because she might get raped.

Do you realize how silly your logic is here?
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reply posted on 19-6-2012 @ 01:51 PM by TDawgRex
reply to post by Maxmars



Yep

We have seen multiple threads on this subject within the military haven't we?

And they're just know learning about it?


reply posted on 19-6-2012 @ 01:53 PM by KnawLick
reply to post by The Sword



You say I'm sexist for not wanting women in the military...

I say your sexist for sending our beautiful women off to be horribly mutilated in an attempt to serve your view of political correctness...

We will just have to agree to disagree.


reply posted on 19-6-2012 @ 01:56 PM by KnawLick
reply to post by The Sword



I've you would have taken the time to ACTUALLY read the thread you would have seen I already answered this question....


reply to post by seeker1963


If I came off as "blaming the women" in this situation, I'd apologize.

Under no circumstances is rape okay.... In my book its worse than murder.

I was merely trying to say I wouldn't want my daughter ever in a situation where she is surrounded by men, with no oversight, in a strange country...
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