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Article: Romney Strategists Prepare for War Against Iran

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posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 02:55 PM
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I didn't say that. Can you please stop crafting strawmen to attack?


It was a question.



And you have proven again and again that you are partisan and buy into one side of the coin, or one wing of the same vulture. You buy into this Right vs. Left crap and truly think that one side is better than another. You are extremely biased.


You call me biased, I call you poorly educated. My ISSUE IS IDEOLOGICAL. Do you get that? Do you get that political parties are based on fundamental philosophical distinctions? That the left essentially pushes a 'progressive' moral relativism??? Do you understand that? I don't get where this confusion of yours comes from, but you really and desperately need to read more books if you think I'm being unreasonable or 'buying' into a political construction designed to mislead; as long as the majority of politicians on the left - the much more secular, socialistic, humanistic anti-traditional, push an agenda that I adamantly disapprove of, I will vigorously oppose the left.

Like I said, there are distinctions in life; some people are more liberal, which immediately places them into the 'left' category, since the left tends to serve their interests (which is not to say there arent those in the 'center', who could lean either/or, depending on the issue), while there are those with a religious, traditional approach who are lifelong rightists, who find very few areas of commonality between themselves and the 'left'.

It is nothing but ignorance to generalize as you've been doing that to 'prefer one or the other' is to buy into some right-left paradigm. You make light of peoples beliefs by saying so, as if there is no real line of demarcation between what the left propounds and what the right propounds.




posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by roadgravel
Romney has stated that containment of Iran as a nuclear power is not the way to deal with the situation and he believes, as president , he can choose to use military action. He is not accepting a nuclear Iran.


Yep, I remember this was McCain's line (or rather "Bomb Iran") and many of the people around Romney were those around McCain. I honestly don't think Obama is the man they are going to use to push it, as he would be doing that right now if he was the man for that job.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
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It is nothing but ignorance to generalize as you've been doing that to 'prefer one or the other' is to buy into some right-left paradigm. You make light of peoples beliefs by saying so, as if there is no real line of demarcation between what the left propounds and what the right propounds.


And yet you've spent a large portion of the thread generalizing the "left". You don't even know what socialism is. Instead of pulling out snarl words try talking about the actual topic. The topic isn't how evil the left is. It's Romney getting ready for war with Iran.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by antonia

And yet you've spent a large portion of the thread generalizing the "left". You don't even know what socialism is. Instead of pulling out snarl words try talking about the actual topic. The topic isn't how evil the left is. It's Romney getting ready for war with Iran.


Well said, Antonia and that was exactly my point that he was conveniently missing or ignoring. And not only was he generalizing the Left (and falsely at that), he was also lifting the Right up as if they were somehow better (or different). As I said he proved my point many times over about how people buy into the Left vs. Right paradigm.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 07:38 PM
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You don't even know what socialism is.


Having read quite a bit of Marxist theory, I take that remark with a tad bit of annoyance. How is my understanding of socialism wrong? (you can answer me in PM if speaking here is a problem)





Instead of pulling out snarl words try talking about the actual topic.


If you actually followed the course of the discussion in this thread, it was the OP who derailed the thread by making issue of my 'naivete' in believing the left-right paradigm. Not me. I was perfectly content in keeping to the subject at hand, which i addressed numerous times (to you, for instance, which is why your complaint towards a post directed towards the OP is strange, given you didn't even reply to the relevant post directed to you).



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
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given you didn't even reply to the relevant post directed to you).


I already told you I am not going to have a discussion regarding political parties. You are the only person here who thinks there is a whit of difference between the two factions. The rest of us know better.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally


Having read quite a bit of Marxist theory, I take that remark with a tad bit of annoyance. How is my understanding of socialism wrong? (you can answer me in PM if speaking here is a problem)





See this is the problem with people on the Right. They buy into these code words that their puppeteers use to describe the Left. Marxist, Socialist, and Communist are all different things. They are not interchangeable.

And it's funny that you accuse me of derailing. For one, it's MY POST haha. For two you are the one who came on here first spouting accusations of anti-semitism and ignoring the main point of the post. So, no, you did not keep to the subject at hand.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 08:33 PM
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That's evidently because I'm university educated, whereas you guys are not.

I've already explained at a basic philosophical level why the left-right paradigm is valid, but none of you seem to understand it.

I should have known better than to bother with people like you.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 08:35 PM
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For two you are the one who came on here first spouting accusations of anti-semitism and ignoring the main point of the post.


Excuse me for not ignoring the egregious untruth of Israel having 'expansionist' ambitions. Such lying shouldn't even be tolerated here, but apparently, it is.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 08:38 PM
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GEE THANKS REPUBLICANS !

ANOTHER FREAKING WAR, STARTED BY ANOTHER FREAKING REPUBLICAN, ONCE AGAIN, FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

At least Ron Paul would not have gone to war...at least that is a good thing about 4 years with a republican president LIKE HIM. HE was our only hope for another war free 4 years as a human, not as a republican, or a democrat, just a human with logic and simple crafted intelligents.

I can imagine Romney sitting in the oval office, just like a little republican blood thirty 1% child, looking at his little army men thinking how great it is to control people.

[And off to war we go, with my little human, play soldier real life toys, and the 1% backing me, because I am so famous, and I am the president of this unholy, warmongering, don’t let illegal’s in, the birth certificate is fake, we are super powers because we have 50,000 nukes, no you cant have 1 nuke because Israel said so… republican president that will make a decision that will send this planet into oblivion once again.]

I WONDER HOW MUCH OF ANOTHER DEFICIT… WILL ANOTHER REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT PUT THE UNITED STATES INTO THIS TIME FOR A WAR WITH NO ABSOLUTE MEANING.
lOL,but who cares because the future has been told,
LP527
Copy written june 19th 3012.

September 18th,Obama will announce that Hillary clinton will be the


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posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by antonia
 


That's evidently because I'm university educated, whereas you guys are not.


I am actually, try again.




I should have known better than to bother with people like you.


Then don't waste your time on fools like us and get on with your life.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by antonia
 


That's evidently because I'm university educated, whereas you guys are not.

I've already explained at a basic philosophical level why the left-right paradigm is valid, but none of you seem to understand it.

I should have known better than to bother with people like you.


And now like a child throwing a temper tantrum you have descended into petty ad hominems and lamely attempting to flaunt your education. Grow up.

I'm not university educated? Prove it. I'll be waiting for your evidence to back that claim up.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally


Excuse me for not ignoring the egregious untruth of Israel having 'expansionist' ambitions. Such lying shouldn't even be tolerated here, but apparently, it is.


More fascist desires of speech censorship. Just because you declare something an "egregious untruth" that doesn't mean that it is. And even if it was, I had no idea that lying was illegal. If that was the case, every politician, including your precious "better than you, more American than you" Right-wingers, would be in prison.

I'm done with you now. You hijacked this thread like a good troll and took it off topic every chance you could.



posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 02:12 AM
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Originally posted by LastProphet527
reply to post by shaluach
 

GEE THANKS REPUBLICANS !

ANOTHER FREAKING WAR, STARTED BY ANOTHER FREAKING REPUBLICAN, ONCE AGAIN, FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

At least Ron Paul would not have gone to war...at least that is a good thing about 4 years with a republican president LIKE HIM. HE was our only hope for another war free 4 years as a human, not as a republican, or a democrat, just a human with logic and simple crafted intelligents.

I can imagine Romney sitting in the oval office, just like a little republican blood thirty 1% child, looking at his little army men thinking how great it is to control people.

[And off to war we go, with my little human, play soldier real life toys, and the 1% backing me, because I am so famous, and I am the president of this unholy, warmongering, don’t let illegal’s in, the birth certificate is fake, we are super powers because we have 50,000 nukes, no you cant have 1 nuke because Israel said so… republican president that will make a decision that will send this planet into oblivion once again.]

I WONDER HOW MUCH OF ANOTHER DEFICIT… WILL ANOTHER REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT PUT THE UNITED STATES INTO THIS TIME FOR A WAR WITH NO ABSOLUTE MEANING.
lOL,but who cares because the future has been told,
LP527
Copy written june 19th 3012.

September 18th,Obama will announce that Hillary clinton will be the


edit on 19-6-2012 by LastProphet527 because: (no reason given)

edit on 19-6-2012 by LastProphet527 because: (no reason given)

edit on 19-6-2012 by LastProphet527 because: (no reason given)


Ron Paul what?

Have you left the reservation www.nps.gov... Tonto?



posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 03:55 AM
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To that picture I only have this to say:




Educate yourself.

And just for the record:

Romney should hang himself. Or stick a loaded 12 gauge in his mouth then slip over a banana peel.
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posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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I'm not voting for Romney because I think he and the rest of his white collar mafia ilk are nothing more than Wall Street, Department of Defense and defense contracting "rob the U.S. Treasury for all its worth" gangsters. People who will push grandma bound in her wheelchair off a cliff in order to spend trillions on the "fear racket." A racket where Fox News promotes irrational fears so they can rob the U.S. Treasury, cutting social safety nets and allowing billionaires to do business in and out of America for free by paying zero taxes AND have zero regulations. Allowing them to operate as a plutocracy buying any election they please as the Citizen's United ruling has given them full authority to do just that. The whole lot of them are "the enemies from within."They are all scum of the Earth. Their plans are disgusting, but what you said is equally disgusting.

I for one do understand your frustrations about Mitt Romney and what and who he represents. Still I think you should tone down your rhetoric a bit for the sake of those who agree with your positions. You sound like Ann Coulter or Chris Christie and the like. Let the other side look like radical fools. That's not what the socially responsible left is about. It's certainly not what Obama is about.




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