An Extremely High Tech Civilization Definitely Existed In The Distant Past Of Our Planet

Originally posted by kman420
Duh. There is no such thing as aliens. God created the heavens and the universe and all the trillions of planets but only made us and only put us all on one of the trillions of planets because the rest of the planets and solar systems are all useless!! Always have and always will be!

Its impossable for aliens to exist. But completley possable and logical that some hyperdimensional being living in a city in the clouds called heaven made the entire universe billions of years ago just so humans could exist on one planet for a few thousand years, billions of years after he created the universe.

It is completley illogical to think anything else.

If you had stuck with this your post probably wouldn't have been deleted, IMHO.

Don't get emotionally engaged, that and overall distraction are their goals, most of the time.

Ignore, post your worthier opinions and links, and don't get so upset by pretend posters.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by AdamsMurmur

 

Fine then. People that watch MTV non stop would know to question this article. Most of the people in this thread didn't and I find it sad. Especially since so many of those people would claim to have more intelligence than the "MSM brain dead watching zombies".

What happened to common sense in the conspiracy world?

edit on 19-6-2012 by RealSpoke because: (no reason given)

People love sensationalism. The average person leads a redundant life, so seeks out oddities for entertainment, and also to think "What if it's true?" There's also a lot of people that believe in the prehistoric golden age of Earth, whether it was humans or something else.

Originally posted by Thunderheart
I can debunk this thread with one word;

PLASTIC

show me the 400 year old plastic soda bottle, then we'll talk.

des.nh.gov...

These people are talking about civilizations that would be 10-100 thousand years old. So
according to the table you provided, any of the plastic they produced would be looong gone... long gone.

Also why does everybody expect ancient civilizations to have technology that exactly mirrors our own. Or aliens for that matter. The technologies that these cultures could be so foreign to us that they wouldn't even be recognized by us, as such. Is there not more than one way to skin a cat.

According to your table the only materials that would still be present from such an ancient civilization would be glass and stone. All the metal would rust to dust. Wood would rot. Plastics and Textiles too would have broken down. If not chemically than at least physically.

So assuming there was an extremely ancient civilization, that was highly sophisticated, either like us, or wildly divergent from us, we would expect to find anomalous stone and glass artifacts. Hmmm... sounds vaguely reminiscent of the world around us.

For me, one of the biggest conspiracies on the planet right now is the archealogical communities absolute refusal to acknowledge items like this which have been appearing quite consistently in many different locations around the world, some in rock strata going back 3 billion years.

Modern day humans have been around for about 50,000 years, give or take, out of a 4.5 billion year history of our planet. Why is it SO difficult for people to believe that a civilization might have occurred before ours, or perhaps MANY civilizations have risen and fallen?

In reality, most of our history has only been obtained since the end of the last ice age, about 12,000 years ago, a miniscule part of the history of the planet.

reply to post by TheProphetMark


This is an easy theory to address.

Advanced civilizations would leave behind huge volumes of artifacts composed of extremely durable materials. Evidence of them would be overwhelming.

Fast forward to our future a few hundred thousand years and there would still be massive amounts of artifacts littered all over the world. The durability of the artifacts would be a direct result of our technology.

So, where are all these artifacts from the previous advanced civilization, beyond the small batch of hoaxed items and an occasional anomalous item, always made from materials that are not advanced in nature?

In this case, lack of evidence is the best evidence.

Originally posted by renegadeloser

Originally posted by Thunderheart
I can debunk this thread with one word;

PLASTIC

show me the 400 year old plastic soda bottle, then we'll talk.

des.nh.gov...

These people are talking about civilizations that would be 10-100 thousand years old. So
according to the table you provided, any of the plastic they produced would be looong gone... long gone.

On the contrary. In tens of millions of years time the one clear indication in the geological record of the anthropocene will be a distinct layer of microscopic plastic found in sedimentary rocks all over the world. Our oceans are full of it. Fish are full of it. Very time we eat fish we eat plastic.

Over shorter time scales - a few hundred thousand years or so, maybe a few million in some places - there will also be evidence of quarries and mines.

The other possible evidence will be artifacts on the Moon and possibly other solar bodies which, where not subject to erosive processes and decay, and if not destroyed by meteorite impact etc, could in theory last for hundreds of millions of years.

Originally posted by Gazrok
If there was such a society, we'd find a LOT more than just a few scattered OOPARTS (Out of Place Artifacts).
Simply put, there'd be a lot more STUFF.....

The nature of the discovery certainly cries out Hoax.... (and there have been plenty of them in the OOPART biz. So, this conclusion really seems to be a leap of faith. We've got a pretty good timeline of history based on the things our ancestors left behind, just as ours will be able to learn from what we leave. Nowhere, does it conclusively point to a more advanced society than we'd expect to find.

Except that most OOPARTS are kept by the elites,and are hiddne so the rest of the world does not know about them.

Yes, there should be more information and more evidence, but most of it has bee spirited away to some museum for the Elites only or such similar place.

Originally posted by DerekJR321
There is one HUGE reason why things such as "past civilizations" or "aliens" will NEVER EVER be admitted to.

Religion.

Well no - it is a problem but as the 'west' has demonstrated by the rise of science, religion can be put into its place.

Science has successfully challenged many long standing religious based dogma - and will do so in the future

Originally posted by renegadeloser

According to your table the only materials that would still be present from such an ancient civilization would be glass and stone. All the metal would rust to dust. Wood would rot. Plastics and Textiles too would have broken down. If not chemically than at least physically.

So assuming there was an extremely ancient civilization, that was highly sophisticated, either like us, or wildly divergent from us, we would expect to find anomalous stone and glass artifacts. Hmmm... sounds vaguely reminiscent of the world around us.

Disturbance of the ground leaves it traces for 100 of millions of years, the oldest wooden javelin's we have come from 400,000 years ago, stone tools about 1.5 million, stuff survives.

No you'd find trash heaps, middens, use of resources and effects left in sedimentation and ice cores

I'd like to see a civilization that had no way to cut or store food!

The ancient were very inventive. For example the Romans had many mechanical automatons, which would rop your jaw if you saw them.

cabinet-of-wonders.blogspot.com...


The Ancient Greeks and other anciets had similar things, including robots.


And these are nothing. There were actually markets for these things, some who would amaze even today's engineers.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Except that most OOPARTS are kept by the elites,and are hiddne so the rest of the world does not know about them.

Yes, there should be more information and more evidence, but most of it has bee spirited away to some museum for the Elites only or such similar place.

Then how come we know about them? There are books, endless webpages and documentaries on such things.....

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
]Originally posted by Hanslune


perfect demonstration of the limitations of materialist thought

as if the intentional destruction of past history by TCOTBIP [that's TPTB to most]
were just paranoid conspiracy ravings

also claiming a highly ADVANCED civilization in prehistory would have left artifacts is chauvinistic in that it presumes physical technology and a similar worldview as yours

So dude this advanced civ just popped into being? Or did they advance thru the stages of development - if so there's gonnna be traces.

Now could a civilization be an 'advanced', and not leave traces? Yes if they did the following and had a bit of luck

How a civilization can remain undetected
1. have very few people - but this will tend to limit your technological advancement
2. don't make fires
3. don't make pottery or bake clay
4. don't modifiy the environment in any way
5. don't domesticate animals or plants
6. don't eat shell fish (the middens are easy to spot)
7. don't bury people, destroy bodies at death and disperse the bones - crush the teeth
8. absolutely no use of stone for tools, do not modify ivory, bone or shells either
9. never disturb the earth (by driving in a stake), no use of metal
10. don't hunt animals and if you do widely disperse their remains
11. move constantly to avoid a build-up of waste, both human and food remains
12. don't live near a lake or other place where sediments, pollen and pollutants gather
There if you do all that you'll be fairly undetectable

The problem is can you HAVE an advanced civilization following those guide lines??

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hunter-gathering/nomadism pretty much covers all that

perhaps i should use the term high culture
as so called civilization presupposes living in cities

the empire of greatest geographical extent was established by nomads; the mongolian empire

lets not forget in addition to geological processes there's climate change
desertification and rising sea-levels for example

again you seem to assume that technology is a universal constant/requirement
or that it would be recognized as such by us

compare a dowsing rod to the kind of equipment required for ground-penetrating radar
both can find water or mineral deposits

that large quartz crystal you dug up on a field trip may have actually been part of a flying machine for all we know
or contain vast amounts of data

Originally posted by AndyMayhew

Welcome AndyMayhew, good to see another well read person on the forum

Originally posted by Hanslune

Then how come we know about them? There are books, endless webpages and documentaries on such things.....

Because these things rust, and eventually decay.

Anyway, watch this of some of the automatons and toher sciences the ancient Greeks, and Alexandrians knew about, Like Heron.



There were even vending machines, not exact like today but extrememly similar.

Here is a web site that has many interesting things ,like maps,atomic s,aviation and much more.Check it out.
www.forbiddenhistory.info...

A good you tube,short

youtu.be...

The artifact could have been easily faked for reasons others have pointed out.

The time frame 12,000 years is important to our civilization because that's when we started to get into agriculture in a big way.

Anthropological and archaeological evidence from sites across Southwest Asia and North Africa indicate use of wild grain (e.g., from the c. 20,000 BC site of Ohalo II in Israel, many Natufian sites in the Levant and from sites along the Nile in the 10th millennium BC). There is even evidence of planned cultivation and trait selection: grains of rye with domestic traits have been recovered from Epi-Palaeolithic (10,000+ BC)

en.wikipedia.org...

So we went from gathering plants to growing them. This allowed us to form towns and settlements near the "farms". It's no coincidence some of the oldest towns arose after domesticated farming, for example Çatalhöyük

Once we were farming and living in towns, we had more time and we started to have specialized labor such as blacksmiths, carpenters, artists, priests, and bean counters (literally). Some of the oldest writings are just inventories of how much grain is stored.

So agriculture changed everything, and that is why the 12,000 year old date is significant.

Originally posted by Hanslune

Then how come we know about them? There are books, endless webpages and documentaries on such things.....

These were recently discevered first of all, and second are you claiming that the entire world has been dug open and explored?....

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

hunter-gathering/nomadism pretty much covers all that

Yes and such groups are hard to track archaeologically - well except for their stone tools

the empire of greatest geographical extent was established by nomads; the mongolian empire

but it collapsed because they lacked the skills to run it, in China they were just absorbed by the more advanced Chinese, bu a good point nonetheless

again you seem to assume that technology is a universal constant/requirement
or that it would be recognized as such by us

It appears to be a constant in the cultures we have found, mankind is rather weak without technology

compare a dowsing rod to the kind of equipment required for ground-penetrating radar
both can find water or mineral deposits

actually dowsing works on the expertise of person to recognize where water will be found and that pretty much everywhere on earth, at various depths, there is water, but we digress!

that large quartz crystal you dug up on a field trip may have actually been part of a flying machine for all we know or contain vast amounts of data

Or it's just a rock, civs leave enormous footprints, if you were to magically whisk away every known relics of say the Egyptian culture it would take just a few minutes, in the sand outside the airport, to find definite signs that there had been a civilization here/there.

Originally posted by Hanslune

Then how come we know about them? There are books, endless webpages and documentaries on such things.....

Most of which are claiming to be not real, or apocripha... What some brave souls have been able to discover and show to mankind, no matter for how short of a time, it is most certainly nothing to the amount of OOP artifacts which have been found yet we don't know anything abouot them.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Hanslune

Then how come we know about them? There are books, endless webpages and documentaries on such things.....

These were recently discevered first of all, and second are you claiming that the entire world has been dug open and explored?....

With these they are new (in this op), there are other ooparts that go back a century or two. And no, much less than 1% has been excavated - but if you're going to use the 'maybe we might find' argument that pretty much applies to everything. What one can say now is

That all known ooparts are either natural, frauds or misinterpretations*. There are some reall mysteries in archaeology but they are rarely touched upon by the fringe - because they usually don't evolve or evoke aliens or advanced humans.

* there may be ooparts that at this time are not explained but I don't know of any off the top of my head