An Extremely High Tech Civilization Definitely Existed In The Distant Past Of Our Planet

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
But this isn't the point of what I was talking about. What I was talking about was how the inner mechanisms, the things that actually cause the gears to turn, likely won't be readily obvious to archaeologists.

How would an archaeologist investigate ancient banking???

This would be the job of an economic historian. I've read an excellent book by Adam Tooze called the Wages of Destruction - which is an economic history of the third Reich. The guy specialises in economics and history - archaeology wouldn't be much use - he works from documentary evidence.

And if you wanted explanation of the cultural context you would ask an anthropologist.

And of course there are academics specialising in mysticism. Here's a book by one:

books.google.co.uk... SSCGbsSFCc#v=onepage&q=academic%20mysticism%20specialization&f=false

reply to post by FatherLukeDuke


I believe it's called a metaphor...

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So where is this 3 pronged plug in granite located?

It doesnt say where it was found in the source..

Originally posted by benrl
Ooparts are constantly ignored, things found in coal and rock that just shouldn't be there...

My question is why Aliens, why is it always aliens? Is it so improbable advanced humans civ rose and fell before the current one?

I agree with this. Even the time frame, around 12,000 years ago links up with things Edgar Cayce said about Atlantean civilization collapsing. I'm a firm believer in advanced Human society existing in a lost history, too many interesting finds these days......love the ooparts too!

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I have no idea how an archaeologist would study ancient banking. I would suspect, however, that anything you have to say about a society is not only incomplete, but possibly completely wrong until you understand how they viewed "property", and how that property was tracked and moved through their system.

You highlighted my point exactly in that there are so many unknowns. The more "secret" (be it true secrets, or just things that were quitely discussed) something is, the less obvious is impact on a culture would be.

The esoteric mysteries are just such a thing. The esoteric knowledge has been nbehind every society that every achieved the fruits of mathmatical labor But it has done so in a less often seen manner.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
I have no idea how an archaeologist would study ancient banking.

They wouldn't, that's my point. They might dig up a bank vault - but that wouldn't tell us anything about the civilisation's economic system.

You seem a bit hung up on the limits of archaeology - but in any historical investigation they would be a small part of the team - as Hanslune pointed out.

I would suspect, however, that anything you have to say about a society is not only incomplete, but possibly completely wrong until you understand how they viewed "property", and how that property was tracked and moved through their system.

This may be true, but appears something of a straw man argument, Can you find me an historian who would disagree with that point? People like anthropologists specialise in precisely this area. Many historians spend most of their careers trying to understand the cultural context of the artefacts that are dug up.

The esoteric mysteries are just such a thing. The esoteric knowledge has been nbehind every society that every achieved the fruits of mathmatical labor But it has done so in a less often seen manner.

Sorry, I don't understand this passage???

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i am not calling out the limits of archaology here insomuch as reminding folks that there are vast, unseen segments of a society that can make it difficult to determine details about that society. To see where this all started you might want to scroll back a couple of pages.

RE: the last passage, basically I am saying that throughout history, knowledge is power. Knowledge of the esoteric teachings has always brought its wielder power and wealth. For example, to truly understand the Egyptians we have to stop seeing their Priest class as being a group that ushered around the polytheistic dogma. This is only how they appeared to someone who doesn't understand what they were saying and how they were saying it (the "profane"). They had real power, based on real knowledge. Knowledge from back when science was a religion not based on non-theism.

Originally posted by yorkshirelad

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE WHAT I SEE WITH MY OWN EYES - A PYRAMID.

Please save your disinformation for other sheeple.

edit on 19-6-2012 by PlanetXisHERE because: spelling

edit on 19-6-2012 by PlanetXisHERE because: spelling

Well with that logic we have "The Turin Toast" becasue I can quite clealry see an image of Jesus Christ on a piece of toast.

I take it you believe that giants built a causeway from Northern Ireland to Scotland becasue of the perfectly formed hexagonal structure......

Human brains try to make sense out of random patterns. Sometimes nature makes random shapes that look like ordered shapes. NB that Bosnian pyramid is NOT a perfect pyramid it's your brain making the approximate pyramid shape look perfectly pyramid shaped.

Saying it's all MSM lies is a cop out to avoid saying the conspiracy is wrong......cognitive dissonance.

FYI - I've just come back from holiday from Aruba where there is a rock formation that MUST have been created by giant gorillas because it looks just like King Kong. We were not told this by the MSM but the locals so it must be true.....

You are being a little harsh don't you think? As a hobby Anthropologist - I can assure you certain things are distorted in historical record due to dogma - or perhaps you would like to frame it as cognitive dissonance. For many many years Clovis points were the anchor time reference for North American habitation - it was unthought of that civilizations could predate the Clovis point era. In fact many could not understand finds and sites using that templet as reference. As it turns out - in fact there are preClovis sites. This turned known thought on it ear and now new thought had to prevail across the spectrium.

Even now we see sites real sites destroyed around the world due to a difference in religious perspective - sites that current populations try to exponge from existance to sort of sooth their members or prevent them any "cognitive dissonance" about the reality they ascribe too. Lets just wipe out the unconvienant, shall we?

So on ATS we come here to sort of muddle through these things that don't quite match up with the official story. Perhaps some take that inch and run miles with it . . . but to discount everything marginal due to your beliefs that we are always told the truth and certainly by wikipedia shows a sort of lacking in critical thinking skills. Not to mention you are not very diplomatic about it. There seems to be a couple of very concrete facts here I think we can agree upon 1. People are going to believe what they are going to believe. 2. We are sometimes "informed" how we should believe dispite some loose threads concerning truth - and this is definately a repeating motif in the human being, it occurs in the family unit and extends all the way out to encompass the entire "family of man" so to speak. Lets face it, none of us knows ALL the answers - certainly NOT wikipedia.

We could never be the people we sought to be,

we were only what we were...

Remember us...as the dust lifts of the grounds, revealing of a time past and opportunities lost......

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


Absolutely. Even if there is evidence, it doesn't mean that archeologists are always interpretting it correctly.

If they find an area strewn with a type of debris, they reconstruct it based on what sort of debris is there.

So a supplies area is reconstructed as a kitchen area, because they find food related items in that spot.

The best one of these I've heard of was after a female archeologist came onto a site in...Greece I think. The building had been dubbed a "shrine" due to the artifacts found there. She took a look at things, and informed the stuffy guys that what they'd found was a totally different type of "shrine." It was a whore house, and the "idols" were....uh...implements of the trade. The writings at the site confirmed it.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
They had real power, based on real knowledge. Knowledge from back when science was a religion not based on non-theism.

Bigfatfurrytexan can you define the terms you are using here. What do you mean by 'real power' and 'real knowledge', I believe you mean something other than secular power, which they certainly had, could you define and give an example please

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by FatherLukeDuke

 

I have no idea how an archaeologist would study ancient banking.

They have studied the earlier economic systems 99% of Sumerian writing deals with property, trades, business and in a way 'banking'

I would suspect, however, that anything you have to say about a society is not only incomplete, but possibly completely wrong until you understand how they viewed "property", and how that property was tracked and moved through their system.

So you are saying we wouldn't understand banking or any cultural system unless we understood the culture, yep that is anthropology 101

The esoteric mysteries are just such a thing. The esoteric knowledge has been nbehind every society that every achieved the fruits of mathmatical labor But it has done so in a less often seen manner.

Yet despite what you've said above you are stating you know about it. It might help if you explain what you mean by 'esoteric mysteries'. This obviously has a meaning to you which isn't known to me.

Originally posted by Stonesplitter

I agree with this. Even the time frame, around 12,000 years ago links up with things Edgar Cayce said about Atlantean civilization collapsing. I'm a firm believer in advanced Human society existing in a lost history, too many interesting finds these days......love the ooparts too!

The problem with the interesting finds is that they point AWAY from the possibility of such a culture existing. Oh and for clarification are you going with a Plato version of Atlantis or the later new age 'advanced' Atlantis?

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I think they were wiser than that. I think they realized that petroleum was a losing proposition and opted for less toxic alternatives.

Originally posted by aaaiii
reply to post by Thunderheart

 

I think they were wiser than that. I think they realized that petroleum was a losing proposition and opted for less toxic alternatives.

Agreed, it wasnt a fake plastic world, most things were of the more durable silver, gold, and stone

I wouldn't say this is definitive proof. I'd like to see more on the subject.

The time frame 12,000 years is important to our civilization because that's when we started to get into agriculture in a big way.
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..and that is why the 12,000 year old date is significant.

Atlantis sank about 10500 years ago. I think Atlanteans practiced agriculture long before that.

I'd say that time frame is important, because that's probably around the time the Giza pyramid was built, and the last 'Golden Age' happened in Egypt as a result (the pyramids, as we all know, were constructed for initiation, so that people could evolve spiritually and become a harmonic race, free from their animal (beastly) side - so they could properly rise from 6 (the beast) to 7 (the human)).

Sigh.. that was a great time.. I often remember it with great warmth (you can feel the incredible joy and happiness the workmen in fields were completely consumed by, by looking at certain hieroglyphic paintings - it's amazing).. that was the one time in the history of this pityful human race when -everything- was okay. Everything was good.

The priests, who fled Atlantis, were the basis for the whole Egyptian culture and the golden age..

But alas, as humans started learning intellectual stuff, their lower spiritual abilities diminished. That started the 'current era', when people were evolving intellectually at a fast pace, while diminishing spiritually and even emotionally. This was a good thing, because not many people could handle simultaneous lower spiritual abilities and developed intelligence. But it also lead to quite difficult times.

There's a lot that could be said about this age and all - I just wanted to point out that you are right - that 10000-12000 years ago-time window was very important for our current 'era' (I cannot use the word "civilization" to describe this barbarization). But the priests and other higher beings saw what was to come, and pretty much fled the whole planet, before it became just a battle ground for two-legged half-animals.. which it still is.

Agriculture existed long before that, of course.. but of course this era's historians cannot understand the goings-on of the previous era.. they don't have a clue - and they don't know a thing about spirituality, initiations, or chakras or any of that stuff. How could they hold the key to the truth to what ACTUALLY happened anyway? They can't. So they figure out their own theories.

The thing is, they weren't there (or they could've been in previous incarnations, but they probably don't remember it)... so you shouldn't trust them blindly. Research for yourself, and keep your chakras and mind open for any information you might encounter.. don't dismiss quickly, but process instead, and try to fit the pieces together before discarding. And even then, leave a possibility open for it.. for who knows, perhaps in the future, knowledge will appear that fits the previously discarded bits.

But I agree in that it was an important time.

I think that in give or take 500.000 years from now, some people will be just hanging around sitting down with with there newest inventions of communicating long distances ie computers, and cellphones and all the current gadgets if albeit in a different incarnation and reinvention of the newest high tech civilization and all of its idiosyncratic and slightly different peculiarities.

And they will be wondering, discussing, and arguing if 30,000 years ago there were any civilizations as advanced as them, based on the statues they found in the mud or some holes in the ground. And they will be congratulating themselves on just how smart and original they are.

They say that there is nothing new under the sun, but there seems to be new variations of the same old things every cycle of death and rebirth. Everything is reincarnated and reinterpreted, even civilizations, even this planet, even this galaxy, and even this universe are all just recombination's and reconstructions of things that came before, from the basic things and the smallest things such as atoms, to more complex and higher and bigger in scope such as planets. In the end its all just reinvention and re-manifestations of the building blocks of life, all vibrating in a bit newer patterns and creating a different tune using the same materials.

the badlands guardian...

do a google image search

www.youtube.com...

heres the wiki link
en.wikipedia.org...

note that they do not provide a pic, because that would make almost everyone who read the debunk hit piece go HEY! WAIT A MINUTE!

this formation, like all the other cool stuff, has been DEBUNKED (debunkers have debunked absolutely everything right? each of US are a little bit crazy for keeping our eyes open yes?)

of course i dont buy it, i think that it is NOT a natural land form.

50 00 35 13 n

110 06 48 53 w

those are approx coords for google earth

the form is outside of a town called "Medicine Hat"

it doesnt just "look" like a face... it has neck wrinkles, eyelids, and a facial prominence in the ceremonial headress in a fashion that reminds one of mesoamerican artifacts. (a "medicine hat" perhaps? LOL)

nothing to see here, a trick of light and shadow. merely a rain drainage pattern.

NEOPHILES vs NEOPHOBES

some can accept new inforamtion, in fact they seek it out, others become frightened in the presence of the unfamiliar and INSIST that theres no reason to challenge the status quo.

if you make me think about the world i will have to redefine it

if i have to re define the world i will have to redefine my place within it

to redefine my place in the world is take on an identity crisis (erik erikson style)

thats a whole lot of pandoras box... a whole lot of old brain status challenge, just over some anomaly..

OR i could just reflexively shout that theres nothing to see here
PLEASE MOVE ALONG... more to come

Just how many artifacts from our own history survive? there is not one complete set of Roman armour, nothing much from Greece at all, apart from the remains of stone buildings (same with Rome).
Perhaps a lot of the Petroleum oil being pumped out was huge plastic dumps left by our ancient forbears.( as plastic can be heated and presurised to produce oil).