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Space mirrors will dry out US and Eurasia

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posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 11:30 AM
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INSTALLING huge mirrors in space would help reverse global warming, but they would come at a price: less rain for the Americas and northern Eurasia.

Previous studies have shown that geoengineering cannot restore both temperature and rain to previous levels, but they could not specify what a geoengineered climate would look like.


I picked this news up from the bbc worldnews website as i thought it important to note that they can alter weather patterns from space and have probably been doing so for a wee while now according to other threads on ATS!!

I wasn't one for buying into HAARP weather altering but this news on the bbc site has made me think a little differently that it is possible...

What say you?

www.newscientist.com...

MODS, maybe this is in wrong forum so can you please move to where you see fit??
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posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 11:36 AM
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This falls into the realm of "Really Really Bad Ideas". Sounds like a case study in unintended disastrous consequences.



posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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"Global Warming"= excuse to transfer all 1st world wealth to 3rd world nations....

Yeah I'll keep my natural rainfall and 1 degree warmer summers... thanks



posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 11:48 AM
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The solution will be technological, however, I am not sure this is a good idea (or bad mind you...trying to find out more data on this "space mirror" cloud idea...such as, which direction the mirrors are facing).

I would prefer instead to blanket massive areas with solar panels...instead of reflect the sun, why not capture and use the rays, thereby resolving some of the issues, and reducing the requirement for fossil fuel burning...don't know...but mirrors...I dont think tossing a mirror to reflect rays should be considered high tech solution...not enough buttons and huds...bit low tech technically...and I would rather not use earth as a testbed for this...give it a shot on mars and lets see what happens



posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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Man, if they stop the rain, I am going to be so mad.

I love rain.



Bad bad ideal.



posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by KnawLick
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
 


"Global Warming"= excuse to transfer all 1st world wealth to 3rd world nations....

Yeah I'll keep my natural rainfall and 1 degree warmer summers... thanks


If the oceans rise a couple degrees, the coral reefs will die
which will allow for many, many species to die...huge fishing industries collapse
Which will require more land food, more farms, more deforestation, warming trends even more, more ice caps melting, sea level rising, etc.

Don't be short sighted on something that may effect our entire civilization..learn the science, learn what is at steak. having only 1% cyanide in your bloodstream is enough to kill you...a couple degrees overall does make a big difference in the survivability of our species.

Read something



posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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where does your source mention HAARP ?



posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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Man vs nature... who do you vote as being correct?

We alter nature to suit our needs, so ultimately nature will alter herself to fix what we altered.
In turn we manipulate nature even more, then nature alters the climate more to adjust to us.

The kill shot from the sun is in our future forecast. We, industrial corporate consumerism man, are a cancer to this planet. If we don't alter our civilization to work with nature vs against her, then we are constructing conditions for our own demise.



posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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I dont think we'll have to worry about space mirrors, LOL drying up the US and Eurasia, we can do that ourselves pretty good already, LOL . Even if they could get all the material up in space, and put all of that together, the size of this project would be on a scale never before seen, just look at the moon, and how big it is, yet in comparison to earth, its tiny, Being in this part of the manufacturing sector, I just dont see this being achievable, or worth trying in the first place.



posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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Let's assume they have mirrors that can be constructed in space, that they are large enough to make a difference. Let's also assume that everything goes "right" they are installed and working correcty... No what?

From what I understand there is so much junk/trash zooming around our orbit at astronomical speeds.. Not to mention meteorites etc. Mirrors are pretty breakable... What keeps them from beinmg shattered by flying space debris?

It is interesting, slightly scary thought though hmmmm


 
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posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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I am a passionate environmentalist. I love the forests more than people in most situations honestly. But global warming is a farce. Its so arrogant to think we have that much control over the environment.

Even if you do believe in global warming there is ZERO we can do to change it. Unless Africa, South America, etc. are on board we will have no impact on the environment.

And personally I rather live 15 more great years than have the next 100 in abject poverty because we gave our wealth to jungle dwellers in South America and Africa



posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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If that's the case, then we all better run and hide.

Rather then rocks falling on us, we're going to be slammed with glass shards.

Scary thought..

Not sure which is worse, being stoned to death by meteorites....or sliced in half by glass shards...

What you think?
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posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by JibbyJedi
Man vs nature... who do you vote as being correct?

We alter nature to suit our needs, so ultimately nature will alter herself to fix what we altered.
In turn we manipulate nature even more, then nature alters the climate more to adjust to us.

The kill shot from the sun is in our future forecast. We, industrial corporate consumerism man, are a cancer to this planet. If we don't alter our civilization to work with nature vs against her, then we are constructing conditions for our own demise.



I understand your point of view..sorta..but I do disagree with it
We have already altered nature...it is therefore our responsibility to set it back right.
I don't think its in our interest to live within the confines of nature, but rather to tame and harnass it..for now, we are exploiting it, and in a extremely damaging way.
Although we may be the cancer, we are also the cure with our innovative ability. Once we reach a critical point and mass deaths start occuring, we will become globally aware enough to reverse and alter our methods, invent our way out so to speak and tame this ball we stand on verses just keep exploiting it alone.

I see hope in our future..but sadly, we seem to have chosen the path of reactive verses proactive response...meaning we need a high body count before people stop being politicians and start being scientists.

Until the critical point is reached, expect things to get worse..much worse. Pain is a good instructor for our civilization.



posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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most posting here must be younger than me

most of the stuff about space mirrors i've read [books/articles going back to early 60's]

mentioned their use as space based weapons
weather war uses as well, such as pumping hurricanes up

ever burnt ants/bugs with a magnifying glass?



posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by KnawLick
reply to post by SaturnFX
 


I am a passionate environmentalist. I love the forests more than people in most situations honestly. But global warming is a farce. Its so arrogant to think we have that much control over the environment.

Even if you do believe in global warming there is ZERO we can do to change it. Unless Africa, South America, etc. are on board we will have no impact on the environment.

And personally I rather live 15 more great years than have the next 100 in abject poverty because we gave our wealth to jungle dwellers in South America and Africa


Global warming is a hard fact. you can measure it in the oceans, on the lands, on the polar ice cap retreat, etc..it simply is.
Only politiciians and the worst corporations are pushing the its a farce note..

The second part however is interesting that you stated. What can we do?
Well, the measures being discussed is only to slow down the process a bit...I find it lacking..ineffective overall. Might extend things a couple decades if we spend tons of resources trying to cap down the emmissions (we should do this anyhow...my future is a clean future vision, not a smog filled hellhole planet).

But what is needed is more research on major technological breakthroughs..atmospheric scrubbing, huge focus on alternative clean energy sources, smart homes, etc...
But your right...even if we here in the west have almost no environmental impact, the majority of the world, the developing nations becoming more dirty by the day will negate any good living we do. in a 20 year margain, places like china will outpace us by a large degree in regards to pollution.

Tech is the only way out of this mess...what we do here is lead by example...we cannot demand other countries adapt a cleaner method of living when we refuse to do it..our influence is key here...so we should do it anyhow, even if the numbers don't make a significant difference, but the most important part is as I said..invest heavily on technology that reverses and cleans...thats the only way we will live through this.



posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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We could have used that bank bailout money to pay off everyone's mortgages AND provide all of us with solar panels, good ones, to provide all our electrical needs. Those who didn't require as much wattage as others would simply share their extra power with their neighbors, and so on and so forth. Plenty for all, and that's just using that one idea, there are many more.

Working "with" nature, not taming it or trying to control it, but maneuvering within it, respecting it.
This is our only home, we need to take care of it as it's taken care of us.

I'm also a fan of the idea of using cement, bricks, other long lasting materials to construct homes. They'll last longer and be more efficient for heating/cooling needs.

So many ideas and new innovations are shelved by the corporations, that is until their old fossil fuel concepts they own are dried up.


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posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by JibbyJedi
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We could have used that bank bailout money to pay off everyone's mortgages AND provide all of us with solar panels, good ones, to provide all our electrical needs. Those who didn't require as much wattage as others would simply share their extra power with their neighbors, and so on and so forth. Plenty for all, and that's just using that one idea, there are many more.

Working "with" nature, not taming it or trying to control it, but maneuvering within it, respecting it.
This is our only home, we need to take care of it as it's taken care of us.




You have no disagreement from me.
I am sure the right wing would flip out if the government used money to improve the lives of the people though...socialism or something, who knows anymore. But ya...that directly helps people and gives a middle finger to oil barons..so, that won't happen. (my understanding of reality occasionally kicks in)



posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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There is so much evidence that points towards climate change being part of a natural cycle. The main reason it's being pushed to the extent it is is to contribute to the climate of fear they have us all living in. THAT is the real climate change. Of course too many people are awake for just religion to do the trick, as it used to, so they needed to come up with a scientific scare.
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posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by JibbyJedi
Man vs nature... who do you vote as being correct?

We alter nature to suit our needs, so ultimately nature will alter herself to fix what we altered.
In turn we manipulate nature even more, then nature alters the climate more to adjust to us.

The kill shot from the sun is in our future forecast. We, industrial corporate consumerism man, are a cancer to this planet. If we don't alter our civilization to work with nature vs against her, then we are constructing conditions for our own demise.



Granted, we 'alter' nature to suit our needs, but we as well 'fix' what we have altered in accordance with what is necessary with respect to humanity and our relationship with Earth.

In turn, we manipulate nature even more... yet, we have the intelligence to apply 'fixes' when required as providing means that are conducive towards the survival and thriving of our species. I'm not going to pretend that man has no influence on nature, although I would suggest that it's not linear... and through natural processes, our 'influences' are relatively insignificant.

The 'kill shot' from our Sun IS in the forecast, as well are a number of other events. I would suggest that we are more in danger of being struck by a NEO(Near Earth Object), than the Sun threatening to wipe humanity off of the planet.

No, we are NOT a 'virus', 'disease', or 'Cancer' to this planet. These descriptions carry with it a sense of 'unregulated' growth and development. Being that we are subject to a multitude of influences that dictate our progression over time, such definitions are incorrect. From 'climate change', volcanic activity, tsunamis, and hurricanes...all the way to asteroids, plasma discharges and sun activity we are constantly addressing means of survival in relation to such 'regulating' relationships.

We consume, we create and we destroy... we are a complete self-similar representation of the Universe. I'm almost hesitant in bringing forth the next bit, but I feel it must be brought up to defend this argument. Take from it what you will...



Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."


Genesis 1:26

If you would like further explanation of interpretations of this, ask away... but I suspect that what I'm trying to convey is understood.



If we don't alter our civilization to work with nature vs against her, then we are constructing conditions for our own demise.


EXACTLY! Now think... what is the mathematics and geometry of nature? Now think... what philosophies and doctrines also share similar sentiments in which you have displayed. Now I will end this with a link...

www.abovetopsecret.com...
The Truth Behind Numbers: Philosophy, Geometry, and Religion?

From Thread:




The so-called Pythagoreans, who were the first to take up mathematics, not only advanced this subject, but saturated with it, they fancied that the principles of mathematics were the principles of all things. —Aristotle, Metaphysics 1–5 , cc. 350 BC


The principals of ALL THINGS



There is evidence that Plato possibly took from Pythagoras the idea that mathematics and, generally speaking, abstract thinking is a secure basis for philosophical thinking as well as "for substantial theses in science and morals".




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posted on Jun, 18 2012 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by Firefly_
There is so much evidence that points towards climate change being part of a natural cycle.


So you think the concoction of poisons we pump out daily en masse has absolutely no impact on the environment?

Yet we have supposed chemtrails, GMO foods, fluoride poisoning, secret societies killing us secretly, etc, etc..

Sure sure sure... Global warming makes no sense...




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