reply to post by OutKast Searcher
Oh I see...you are going to use the "evil people are trying to kill us" argument.
No more than you use the "everyone just wants to be nice" theory.
The truth lies in between. There are, yes, many good decent Mexican people who simply want a better life; I have never said otherwise. There are also,
however, some people who do
want to hurt others. And they are doing it as we speak. For you to deny that anyone is of that mentality shows a
complete and utter lack of reality in your reasoning.
Now, if you can enter enough reality to admit that, yes, there are bad people in the world, then the question becomes how do we keep the bad people
out and let the good people in? I have an idea! Let's find out who they are first!
Yeah, I know that all goes against the puppies and
happiness utopia you apparently live in, but in the real world, it's not a bad idea.
And I mean both borders. If not a fence, then armed patrols. But I do like a fence. It worked for China.
Um...no...it's not illegal to get recieve compensation that is lower than minimum wage...many small business owners have no to little profit
as their compensation in the first 5 years...they aren't charged with a crime for paying themselves lower than minimum wage.
Oh, so we're switching arguments now? Minimum wage never did apply to self-employment (which includes private corporate ventures). I thought we were
talking about jobs
Just so we both know what we are discussing, are you saying that we need to stop looking for jobs and start working for ourselves? Start our own
corporations? All 300 million of us?
Talk about fantasy...
So you feel ENTITLED.
I feel entitled to what is mine, yes. That is, I will concede, a technically correct definition of entitlement, but obviously not the definition being
used by the majority in this thread. "Entitlement", by that definition, means being entitled to something by the very virtue of existence, not by
hard work and perseverance.
If you wish to continue to use the definition you are apparently using in this thread so far, then your entire argument has become "Do Americans have
the right to the fruits of their own labors?" I say yes, absolutely, unconditionally, YES!
If, however, you wish to use the negative connotation, then my arguments prevail and yours are nonsensical. It is the Americans who should be reaping
the rewards of American ingenuity and determination, and the illegal immigrants who are taking those fruits of another's labors, simply because they
wish it and feel entitled to it.
True...but again this is an action of a AMERICAN CITIZEN...not of an "illegal" immigrant.
Meaning they are as guilty of violating laws as the illegal immigrants. Both should reap the rewards of their actions.
What's the argument here?
Again...people bringing up racism...where have I in this thread said anything about race or racism???
Perhaps it is that the argument typically devolves into a discussion of race, so those who argue it assume it will do so again.
But you do bring up racism in one respect: your continual reference to Americans as "lazy". That is a prejudicial argument in itself.
Oh, I didn't know it was a "crime problem" we were worried about...I thought they were stealing jobs
Read this next line carefully...
There can be more than one detriment to an action.
That means that there can be both problems, increased crime and reduced job opportunities, at the same time. Ain't reality amazing?