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Originally posted by RobinB022
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by xyankee
Today, too many feel they are "entitled" to the "good life" rather than struggle and "earn" it.
I would say risking your life to cross a desert, risking deportation at anytime, living in sub-par conditions, getting paid less than others doing the same job are all examples of "earning" it.
Sitting around and crying that you can't get a job because other people are working to hard...and they were born on the other side of an imaginary line....that seems like an example of thinking you are "entitled"
Our culture is different than those of the illegal Mexicans who are crossing the borders, or who were born on the other side of the imaginary line. Not meaning to sound crude, but the truth is that some or even most of those who are crossing the border 'illegally', were already living in sub-par conditions and as such, this is not unusual for them to live this way here too. Are you suggesting that Americans should lower their standard of living because illegals are hard workers and working for less than minimum wage? Your argument sounds like nothing more than grading on the curve, or lowering the bar on Americans for the immigrants who came here legally.
Immigrate, but do so legally, and adapt to our culture. But to immigrate illegally and expect us to adapt to another is simply ridiculous. [Press 1 for English ]
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Have you ever broken a law?
Would you break a law if it meant your family didn't starve to death?
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
They are here illegally. Plain and simple.
No different then the guy that robs someone for an income.
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Others are saying that cuba has a better social net. They can go there.
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
In the middle east they chop off your hands if you take an apple from a fruit cart. I much prefer that system of punishment.
Originally posted by Indigo5
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
They are here illegally. Plain and simple.
No different then the guy that robs someone for an income.
I don't think anyone has contested that they are here illegally? That was conceded in the headline of the OP. Funny that word thus becomes the fallback position.
As for your second contention of their presence being no different than "the guy that robs someone for an income" ....I see no factual basis for the comparison.
Is the person exceeding the speed-limit the same as "the guy that robs someone for money"?
...If so...How?
Because every actual economic/financial analysis I have seen clearly shows that their presense is good for local and national economies. Illegal immigrants simply supply labor in the margins of domestic labor demand where domestic workers will not occupy and the government has interfered with free-market labor supply and demand with politically driven restrictions on legal immigration.
So "rob someone for money" seems a completely disconnected analogy in the context of evidence and actual analysis. They benefit the economy.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
After reading the reply after reply in immigration threads from American citizens that are very against immigrants (some with vile hatred)...I think I know what the problem is.
Some American citizens fear competition from immigrants because they know the immigrants will win hands down in the job market.
The immigrants are more driven, harder working, and in a lot of cases smarter than these American citizens who are complaining about them. But they can't admit that...because of their American ego...so they just go with that these immigrants are criminals, stupid, and lazy....even though it just isn't true.
These immigrants come here to WORK their asses off to provide a better life for their children. Their children see all their parents have done for them and in turn they WORK their asses off to become successful in this country. They come with one goal...to WORK.
The Americans in this immigration threads that are complaining about these immigrants are just scared because they know they can't compete with them...because in fact they are the lazy ones...they want the job that gives them everything for doing nothing...they want to get paid a ton of money for little work...they aren't willing to sacrifice to give their children a better life...they want it NOW and they want it for THEMSELVES.
Immigrants aren't lazy, they risk their life in most cases just to get here. They'll take a job that gives them little for doing more work in a day than most people do in a week. They just want to get paid a little money to feed their family (regardless if they live here or in another country). They are willing to sacrifice to give their children a better life. They will do without now, so their children and family can have better later.
What we see here is the difference between two types of people, this subgroup of Americans that hate immigrants because they feel ENTITLED to be successful just because they are a citizen. And we have the immigrants who feel DETERMINED to be successful despite if they are a citizen or not.
That is what it all comes down to...it isn't about breaking the law...it isn't about speaking a different language (well...maybe for some)...it is about ENTITLEMENT vs DETERMINATION.
Originally posted by 0ptw0
This is not an argument, just another topic to divide and conquer people whose heads are not working correctly. Focus on what's real guys, that's my best advice.
Oh I see...you are going to use the "evil people are trying to kill us" argument.
Um...no...it's not illegal to get recieve compensation that is lower than minimum wage...many small business owners have no to little profit as their compensation in the first 5 years...they aren't charged with a crime for paying themselves lower than minimum wage.
So you feel ENTITLED.
True...but again this is an action of a AMERICAN CITIZEN...not of an "illegal" immigrant.
Again...people bringing up racism...where have I in this thread said anything about race or racism???
Oh, I didn't know it was a "crime problem" we were worried about...I thought they were stealing jobs
Originally posted by borracho
One of the things most people over look when it comes to illegal immigrants is how much they contribute to the system with no hope of getting that money back. When they are using a false identity to work int the U.S. they have all the same taxes taken out that the rest of us do, federal and state income tax, SSI, all of it. .