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The Reason Some Americans Hate Immigrants...it's not because they are "illegal"

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posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 10:24 PM
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posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 10:29 PM
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Here is one of the reasons I don't like illegal aliens. Yes, I know, legal immigrants and citizens kill too...but these don't have to happen, if the borders were secure.


This is such a retarded argument.

Hey...if Europeans never came to the Americas...those murders would never have happened either...see how dumb that sounds.

It's a tragedy when any murder or violent crime happens...I'm sorry...I honestly don't care if the victim is an American citizen or not...it is always a human being and that is all that matters.


1. Fine employers $50,000 per illegal hired (first offense). $250,000 and 10 years in prison for each violation after that.


I support that.


2. K-12 education for Citizens and LEGAL immigrants ONLY!


Again...I don't care if the children are citizens or not...they are here at no fault of their own...we should educate them. No child should be go without an education where there is education available.


3. Treat emergencies at the hospital...then deport if patient is here illegally.


It's not the job of doctors and nurses to check legal status....it is there job to treat patients...to heal human beings...not care if they are legal or not.


4. Modify the 14th Amendment to require ONE parent be a Citizen before birthright citizenship is granted to the child.


Never going to happen...if you are born on American soil...you are an American.

Learn to love it...because that is never going to change.


5. Bring the troops home from Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. and put them on the border. Shoot to kill.


Bring the troops home...yes.

Shoot to kill...you are a complete and utter jackass. Yes...let's shoot and kill women and children...yeah...I know you think that makes you sound super macho and cool on the internet...but in reality, it makes you sound like a heartless douche.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by mrballistic

Originally posted by Night Star
It doesn't matter what you say or how you say it, or how many facts you present, OS doesn't get it, or he does, but he just wants to stir emotions up and insult Americans.


No OP is right, illegal immigrant strippers, work harder then every single girl
on that damn pole, on off it, and in the champaign room!
Even a happy* ending for just 10 bux more!!
In all aspects illegal working immigrant strippers just work it better
i say we need more!!!
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Ah yes, young girls being sold or coerced into sex slavery. Its such a great job opportunity, jump in the back seat honey and I'll take you to the land of the free where you'll be a model and you'll never be hungry or cold again. So who's collecting all the bux?



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 10:48 PM
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reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


Crossing the border illegally is breaking the law and makes you a illegal alien.

Learn to love it...because that is never going to change.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 10:50 PM
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Really? But you define all Americans as lazy based on the actions of... a few you have met!


I'm sure you can read...so why not taking a crack at the title of this thread again. Let me give you a hint..."Some Americans".

I know you can do it big boy...give it the good ol' American try.


Oh, by Jiminy you're right! But we don't have a border with Central America... they cross the Mexican border.


And if they cross through Mexico to get to the US...that makes them Mexican


I'm fine with geography...I think you need a bit more help than a map.


Because there is an advantage. Because there is a difference. Whether you want to believe it or not, this country is not a walk-in diner; not everyone can get served.


It used to work just like that...until generations and generations went by and their descendants decided they are now entitled to the country...they decided we are "full" and that now it should be very difficult for new immigrants to come...oh yeah...it should also cost money.

So I will stay true to our ancestors and still think of this country as the land of opportunity for anyone...yes...anyone...who wants to come here and work for a better life.


This is more like a private residence where you simply don't go if not allowed. And not just this country... every other country is like that, only the vast majority of them will never allow you to become a citizen.


Yes...I know that is what you believe...you are an elitist...you believe you are privledged and entitled. Not because you worked hard, not because you did a damn thing...just because you were born here.

I love how a lot of you are aspiring to be just like every other country...I'm sorry...but I thought we were supposed to be an example to the rest of the world.


Are you still hung up on this?

Go read my last reply and try to understand it.


I read it...you failed to show that it is illegal to recieve less than minimum wage as payment.

And you never will...because it isn't illegal.

Admit it and move on.


Actually, yes I do in a way. The American culture is defined by those "imaginary" lines you find so despicable. it is the Federal government's job, actually the President's job, to defend those borders per the US constitution


Culture is defined by borders
I have never heard anything more asinine.

By your own definition...our culture is whatever is inside our borders...so when it changes...it is by definition "American".

We have no roots...we are a nation of immigrants...our culture is a hodgepodge of every other culture. Learn to embrace it...open your mind a little bit and don't be so afraid of something different.


Dodging?

More like exasperated... I swear this is like explaining quantum mechanics to a three-year-old sometimes.

I have plenty of valid arguments, and they are scattered throughout this thread. Unlike yours, mine are based in reality.

You just don't acknowledge them. That doesn't mean they cease to exist.




I know you think highly of yourself. I learned that during Fukushima.

I also learned you really have no idea what you are talking about when you pretend to know what you are talking about.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by hellbjorn012
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


Crossing the border illegally is breaking the law and makes you a illegal alien.

Learn to love it...because that is never going to change.


Ahhhh, you thought they put that line on the map for you to have and to hold, forever?


Jefferson Davis, the U.S. secretary of war under President Franklin Pierce, had sent Gadsden to negotiate with Santa Anna for the land, which was deemed by a group of political and industrial leaders to be a highly strategic location for the construction of the southern transcontinental railroad. In 1861, the "big four" leaders of western railroad construction--Collis P. Huntington, Leland Stanford, Mark Hopkins, and Charles Crocker--established the Southern Pacific branch of the Central Pacific Railroad.


www.history.com...

Foiled again.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 11:00 PM
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The OP couldn't be further from reality for me. I don't hate illegal immigrants because they work harder or because I'm racist. Here's the top reasons I hate illegal immigrants:

1) They break the law to come here and don't get punished. If I were to break the law, I would get punished.


Have you ever commited a minor "crime" and not been caught...ever speed or roll through a stop sign??? Should I hate you for it???


2) They bring with them drugs, gangs, and violence.


Demonize, Demonize, Demonize....Spread that hate.


3) They don't get raped by the government like I do, which leads me on to number 4.


I don't get raped by the government...how is it that you get raped???


4) They don't have to pay taxes (they are not contributing anything to society monetarily) but yet they leech off the system and in many cases are able to collect all sorts of benefits that I can't even get, even though I pay taxes and get raped by Uncle Sam!! Just recently they were able to collect 4 BILLION dollars in tax credits from the IRS - even though they've never paid taxes! See here: www.factcheck.org...


Oh the lies...the lies.

Factcheck.org is a very large site...care to provide a direct source for those 4 billion in tax credits???

Don't waste too much time...you aren't going to find it...the most you will find is a blog or a columnist or a youtube of a right wing radio host spouting your same lie.


5) They can come and get free health care and get taken care of fast, but even though I work my ass off and pay taxes I have to pay out $700 a month for health insurance (self-employed) and have to wait months to get any treatment as I wait for the insurance companies to approve certain things.


You are free to drop your healthcare and get the same exact free healthcare that they get.

Free clinics and ERs.

Of course...it is really really bad healthcare...but you make it sound so great...I think you should really try it.


6) They can to go to college for free, while me being a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen would have to pay $50,000+ for a 4 year degree at my local university! See www.freerepublic.com...




Oh...fantastic B.S.

Really...you can't believe that anyone goes to college for free these days.

My god, I feel so sorry for your ignorance.


7) Unwillingness to adapt to the society they choose to join and learn English and adapt to our traditions and way of life. They come here expecting everything from America but don't even care about preserving the way America is that made it great. They want to turn it into their third world country part II.


What are "our traditions"??? St. Patricks Day and Mardi Gras???

Is this not a free country anymore??? Can we no longer do the things we like??? Do you want to make it illegal to speak a different language??? Because that isn't the America I know and love.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 11:03 PM
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IRS Form 1099 is not an employment form. A job, as in one that is paid by the hour on a regular basis for performing some task, requires a Form W-2. The 1099 is used to report business expense. This expense can be monies paid to a contractor, but it also covers other things. The one thing it does not, and can not, cover is wages. This is a direct violation of the IRS regulations (and no, I will not look them up for you; I'm going to bed!). Try to pay an employee using a 1099 and you will quickly find yourself up to your eyeballs in penalties and fines.


I get paid with 1099's all the time. Currently 3 of my contracts are being paid through 1099's. When I have sub-contractors of my own...I pay them through 1099's.

Again..you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.


The difference is that an employee is directly supervised and is under continuous control of the employer. A contractor is not directly supervised by the contractee and is not under continuous supervision. Also, a contractor has the right to accept or refuse a particular task while an employee does not. An employee can be fired; a contractor cannot be fired, but can only be released from their contract.

Try to demand that the guy you are paying with a 1099 put in a full 8-hour day... go ahead. If he knows the law, you just bought yourself a whole mess of headache.

Now that we both know what a 1099 is, can you please stop changing the subject to suit your whim? it really is getting tiresome.


Exactly...and you can also pay and recieve less than minimum wage through a 1099...legally.

So go ahead and go take that job using a 1099 for less than minimum wage...it's not illegal...so go ahead and do it.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 11:09 PM
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Lets see, Doctors offices where I was denied receptionist jobs because I didn't speak Spanish, McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, Olive Garden. Hell, I was even denied a job as one of those damn tellemarketers because I didn't speak Spanish. I could go on, but what's the point? You're just going to flip everything I say anyways.


So you don't have the skills to complete the tasks of the job.

That is your own fault...improve yourself and learn a job skill.

Don't cry about it and blame others for your own failure.


They may not be the ones who decided to put it on there for marketing reasons, but damn did they make them because they don't have the decency to learn English. I mean, hell, this is America, right? We DO speak English here.


Nope...they didn't make anyone.

The company made the decision to MAKE MONEY...they weren't forced...they weren't required...it was a business decision.

If you don't like it...boycott the company.


You're right, they're not the only ones. And you know what? I hate all those "holidays" because I can. I don't even celebrate Christmas, Easter, Halloween, or any other holiday. They're all about selling out to companies and giving them money. Money that I need because, unlike Illegal Immigrants, I have to pay rent, taxes, insurance, and various other things just to live here.


Ok...do me a favor...define "American culture" and tell me how immigrants are "destroying" it.


You're right, I will demonize those that deserve to be demonized. I will hate those that deserve to be hated.


That is a character flaw...maybe you can overcome that someday.


Now, here you are skewing what I said to make yourself seem smart. Tell me, where exactly did I say that that man was Illegal? Please, show me EXACTLY where I said that. Because I viewed my post again after you skewed what I said, and this is what I said:


You claimed illegals are rude and gave that as an example.

But maybe it was my mistake...maybe you are actually showing your hate for all Mexicans...legal..illegal...or even now American citizens.

I guess that is better in your opinion


Sorry for me to assume you speak in a logical way and when you provide an example that it is actually an example of what you were just talking about.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 11:13 PM
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Excuse me? No, now speaking Spanish is a requirement for most jobs, not a job skill. Job skills are the ability to answer a phone, send a fax, use a computer, put a bun on a burger, etc etc etc.


etc, etc, etc,...like speaking a second language...yeah...it's a job skill...and you are lacking in it.


I've gone to college 3 times. I have a Masters and Bachelors Degree, and an Associates of Occupational Studies Degree in Massage Therapy. Maybe you should learn a little more about someone before you demean them over something you know nothing about. Maybe you should stop demeaning others for their opinions. Maybe you should stop skewing what people say in order to fit what you believe.


Why are you applying to McDonalds???

Or are you just making things up???

But maybe you should go back to college a fourth time...major in Spanish...then you can get that coveted McDonalds job you want so badly.


If you can't speak English fluently, GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY.


Luckily...they can stay in my country...oh look at that...it's the same country.

Sorry...you don't have the right to dictate what language people can speak...deal with it and learn to love it...it's not going away.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by Konduit
Call me racist, but I find it ironic that people can go to America from a country/region with a billion+ population and claim they are a minority...
Yes I get it they might be a minority in America, but at the rate Obama is going that probably won't be the case in a few years. Look up the statistics, the only reason the population is growing is because of the influx of immigrants. It's only a matter of time.
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Do you really think immigration is a new development under Obama???

And did you know that Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than his predecessors ever did???



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by TheRedneck
 


It used to work just like that...until generations and generations went by and their descendants decided they are now entitled to the country...they decided we are "full" and that now it should be very difficult for new immigrants to come...oh yeah...it should also cost money.



THIS IS TO ALL OPEN BORDER SUPPORTERS!

Ok so hypocritically speaking lets say you wake up tomm as good ole president of the USA. You also have all of congress in your back pocket both dems and reps and they would do anything you wanted them to do, pass any bill or declaration.

I assume you would get on worldwide TV while also dropping flyers across all 3rd world countrys that dont have telecommunications, that say:

If you wanna come to America now is your chance, everyone is welcome regardless. All we ask is you sign in and work hard. Also since we wanna be fair if you are not on the NA continent and cant stroll over like our southern neighbors we will also come pick you up. After all we wanna be fair to everyone in the world!

Lets say that within the next week you have 2.5 billion people ready to come to America.

So you'd let them all in and allow America to become like the country they are leaving? Third world, broke, hungry etc??


I mean this might sound like a dumb hypothetical scenario BUT it is what you are suggesting is it not?

I mean you are not saying Mexicans are better than the starving children of Ethiopia are you? Im sure they would work their hands to the bone to get a chance to live here as well.

See how idiotic this sounds? Everyone who wants to come to America cant. Its impossible!! So we have to set rules and regulations on who can come. If we let everyone who wants to come in the country would crumble.

Unless of course you are the racist and saying Mexicans are better than the poor saps in Malawi etc?

Everyone has to be treated equal, the guy who can cross the border south of us shouldn't get a free pass cause he lives in Mexico, after all their are countrys in far worse shape that have citizens who cant just stroll on over.

What about them? What makes Jose any better than them? Hopefully you have enough sense to know we cant let everyone who wants to come to America come here. So why does Jose get this privilege and no one else?



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posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by tbonethedstroyer
Op is delusional and is living in fantasy land. . .

The only reason people hire wet-backs is because the work for CHEAPER not better, faster or any other bull you wish to imply.

Illegals are scabs that diminish family wages across the board of many different scopes of work.



Oh...thanks for the racist comment...that is helpful.


I'm sorry...but immigrants out work you...they have a determination, a drive, and a work ethic that you will never be able to match. And with what you just posted...I doubt you are going to get ahead with your intelligence...so good luck to you...maybe someday an immigrant will hire you and give you a job.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 11:27 PM
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Originally posted by Viking9019
Jobs are given to people these days based on race and gender so yes,Mexicans would be given a job over a qualified American because of their race.Sad eh?


Keep telling yourself that...if it makes you feel better about yourself...more power to you.


Although...lying to yourself isn't a habit you should start.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by 4REVOLUTION
I have some Illegals living down the street from me. If the US Government won't deport them, guess I'll have to take matters into my own hand. The LAW is the LAW.


This thread is weak. Time for a CLEANSING.


Oh.. BTW, I DO dislike because they're "Illegal".
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Oh...look...an internet tough guy.

So what are you going to do...go kidnap them and bring them back to Mexico???

You know what that makes you.....a CRIMINAL.

Or are you planning on killing them...you did say "cleansing"...kind of stupid to say you plan on killing people on the internet...but hey...you think it makes you look cool.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 11:52 PM
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posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by 4REVOLUTION
I have some Illegals living down the street from me. If the US Government won't deport them, guess I'll have to take matters into my own hand. The LAW is the LAW.


This thread is weak. Time for a CLEANSING.


Oh.. BTW, I DO dislike because they're "Illegal".
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Oh...look...an internet tough guy.

So what are you going to do...go kidnap them and bring them back to Mexico???

You know what that makes you.....a CRIMINAL.

Or are you planning on killing them...you did say "cleansing"...kind of stupid to say you plan on killing people on the internet...but hey...you think it makes you look cool.


Guy said nothing about killing or hurting anyone, pretty assinine assumption to make
against a fellow ats'er shame on OP! People deal with these issues differently different
strokes for different folks, so if it helps to let off some steam might be healthy for them.
Just look at erad VIVA LA MEXICO laaaraza
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posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 12:04 AM
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I'm sorry i had to reply after only reading the first page because i saw where this was going. Basically the OP (whom which i have never really disliked) is saying "If you are against illegal immigrants, i'm going to make up whatever reason I can to disagree with what you are saying, even if i point to something i said to someone else after you said your post".

Give it up, nobody is ever going to completely agree that illegal immigration is a good thing, because it's Illegal. I've worked with illegal immigrants before and they will always try to do what they can and work hard, but it will always be a drain if they are able to get paid less than what an average person will expect because they allow corporate, or even small business, corruption.

Perfect example, The illegal guy who accepts 7 dollars an hour to paint a house compared to the person who is an experienced legal citizen painter who has always been paid 12 dollars an hour to paint a house. Not only will the illegal accept the 7 dollars an hour because he is Desperate and already illegal, most likely he will get his 2 buddies who are also illegal (and probably don't know english) to help him and get the job done in half the time. That one illegal will split his pay with his buddies (or family members) and they will live in van for whatever reason and send most of the money back home.

SO, in retrospect we have one legal citizen not able to find work because these companies will hire these illegals for little over half the pay and 2x the results and get used to doing this. Soon an entire section of the work force is like this because all of the sudden, because all of these illegals are coming here with no intention of supporting society, we have people out of work and companies/corporations rising up in the big wig status to support their own means and the working class as a whole suffers. THen, similar companies who aren't as big have to start bending the law to hire illegals because they can't support themselves by paying the minimum wage. Companies that paint 20-50 houses a year can't compete with the companies that paint 130-150 houses a year because they employ illegals. Then, because these types of jobs are mainly held by illegals, it gets classified as "a job the Lazy americans don't want" because even if they take the jobs, they will be paid minimum wage and the average american can't live on minimum wage and support himself. Therefore we HAVE to start living in groups of 5 or more to even support ourselves.

SO, the land of opportunity turns into a land of trying to survive. Nobody can go to college because they would have to put themselves in horrible debt they can't get out of for years just to get a decent education to even have the HOPE to get self-sufficient.

Fake scenario? Well look around, this is what happened and how we are in the craphole economy that we have become. Companies got tired of even having to pay 3 dollars an hour and they had enough money raked in that they shipped all the manufacturing to China and other Asian countries because it cost them less to pay kids over there 1 dollar a 12 hour day to make things and ship them back here.

You want to say it hasn't had an effect. Look at why there are so many people on welfare. Why the unemployment rate has risen from 3% average to an unofficial 15 to 25%.



posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 02:17 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by Viking9019
Jobs are given to people these days based on race and gender so yes,Mexicans would be given a job over a qualified American because of their race.Sad eh?


Keep telling yourself that...if it makes you feel better about yourself...more power to you.


Although...lying to yourself isn't a habit you should start.


Really?? So affirmative action is a lie? en.wikipedia.org...
Well Sir, don't start either.



posted on Jun, 20 2012 @ 02:32 AM
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You know what? This isn't worth it.
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