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The Reason Some Americans Hate Immigrants...it's not because they are "illegal"

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posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


Since you hate your fellow countrymen so much why dont you hop on a boat and leave?

People like you that support a invasion, cause yes thats what millions who border cross illegally are (invaders). Well people like you are a traitor to your own country as far as im concerned.

Why dont you shut your trap and put your money where your mouth is and go wait at the border and take in a family of invaders?!? Go ahead what are you waiting for?
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posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Or maybe that is too much work.


What is to much work for the illegals
is getting permits for their fruit stands
and checked inspected and fees paid..

That is right they don't have to answer ANY questions
about it to an officer if approached, wherever they set up
around gas stations, side of the roads, different parking lots
and they just throw some cash to whoever owns it
or they just squat on the side of the road mostly
cops can't do anything... Undercutting anyone else
who has to do it legally THAT is the problem sir..
ILLEGAL IS AS ILLEGALS DOES mmmmkay?
END OF STORY



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 09:23 PM
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You said we hate all immigrants.. The immigrants we are talking about are usually Mexicans. Put the two together.


I never said that you specifically hate all immigrants...read the title..."Some Americans"....words mean things.

And I also never talked about any specific group of immigrants...this applies to all immigrants....Hispanics, Asians, Europeans, Africans...they all have a drive and determination that most Americans don't have and will never understand.

It is you and others that are bring race into it...now you have to ask yourself why you are bringing race into it and why you are thinking "Mexicans" when I have been talking about "immigrants".



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
And I just love how people sit on their high horse and try to demonize people for a minor infraction because they want to feed their families...I keep forgetting that Americans are of such high moral values and never commit crimes themselves.


Yes hypocrisy is fun
I am curious what percentage of US citizens have at least one discrepancy on their driving records. Reckless driving, DUI/DWI, speeding in a school zone, etc. US citizens disregard the law and put fellow citizens in danger constantly. How many US citizens routinely drive drunk? I know several people who do. There is plenty of evidence that drunk driving presents a real danger, yet I have not heard a peep from people demanding legislation to crack down on drunk driving.

Here are some stats:

The total number of murders in the US in 2010 was just under 13,000. Maybe illegal immigrants are responsible for all of those...?
www.guardian.co.uk...

The second largest category for arrests in the US in 2011 was driving while intoxicated (1,412,223)
www.fbi.gov...

More than 32,000 people died in traffic crashes in 2010 in the United States, and a little over 10,000 died in drunk driving crashes
www.centurycouncil.org...

Where are all the threads to demonize drunk driving...?



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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yep, i concur, DETERMINED criminals are just that, determined.
however, American citizens are ENTITLED (Constitutionally even) to protection from said criminals, so, what was your point again ??

ah that's right ... Americans can't handle the competition


You are free to read it however you want.

At the end of the day, it is the Americans that are crying and whining...and it is the Immigrants that are working hard and sacrificing.

Now to me...one group sounds entitled...and one sounds determined...but you are free to think what you want.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 09:26 PM
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Loving this thread, it is proof positive of how socialists will throw anyone under the bus to forward their agenda....and the only crying I usually see is the lefties crying when someone attempts to take away their entitlements.


Just remember boys and girls, a vote for Obama is a vote for attitudes like the OP has.
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posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 09:32 PM
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this is just pure nonsense cause Identity Theft tops the charts with these people.
then you can add, IRS fraud, Mecaid fraud, fraudulent dealings with fraudulent documentation for ill gotten gains shipped elsewhere. "it's only a crime in the beginning", exists in fantasy land, nowhere else.


"these people"...that's cute.

Sorry to interrupt...continue on with your demonizing and hate mongering.


hmmm, identity theft to get the job but i guess the employers fault too, right
? tax fraud to get paid from the job but again, that's all on the employer.


Um...yes...and yes.


and what about the wide variety of illegal dealings the illegal immigrants are coerced into participating in just so they won't be deported ??
heck, they don't even report the crimes against them either.
both sides are gutless wonders


Right...back to your demonization


if the illegal immigrants weren't available to exploit, it would be difficult to achieve wouldn't it ??
amazingly, thousands upon thousands of jobs would immediately become available to unemployed Americans and i don't see much wrong with that


Who's living in a fantasy world???

Here are a couple facts for you.

1) You are never going to deport all the "illegals"
2) You aren't going to lock down the border.


And Americans can go get those jobs right now...nothing is stopping them. Don't try to tell me that they are being paid way less...because you just made a huge argument that they commit all this fraud to have all the proper documentation for the employer...if that's the case...the employer isn't paying them under the table and they aren't paying them a cut rate.

So...why aren't the Americans getting the jobs...can they not compete???



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 09:33 PM
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well, it doesn't get any sillier than that.
America is a continent defined by its borders, always has been always will be.
America also encompasses a multitude of Nations also identified via their physical borders, many of them ... so, if not her borders, then what "defines" America ??

if not by recognition of the borders, how do you identify America on a map ??
how can you determine if you are located in North or South America if you do not consider their borders ??

what defines the continent/country/nation in which you are currently located ??


Was America still "America" before it had it's current borders???

Will America still be "America" if it's borders are changed???


It's an abstract concept I am trying to convey...that may be why you aren't getting it.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
Eh... I don't think smarts has much to do with it, but you're definitely right about everything else. Immigrants generally work harder for less. It's sad to see. Americans used to be known for their hard work and labor, but nowadays, it's totally opposite. We're known for being the fattest laziest country ever.

I'm all about American pride, but... that is embarrassing.


And service has gone to hell.

Try getting someone to help you at a store...it's like you are bothering them.

But we are both wrong...according to some in this thread...there are no better workers than Americans. I do think that was true in general at one point in time....it's not anymore.

But hey...maybe a fresh batch of immigrants can help us gain that reputation back...the self entitled Americans we have now aren't going to do it.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Was America still "America" before it had it's current borders???

Will America still be "America" if it's borders are changed???


It's an abstract concept I am trying to convey...that may be why you aren't getting it.


I hear you, no way to get all these people out now
BUT they can put 10,000 guard on the border
to stop the influx. THEY HAVE TOO.
Then we can talk about what to do with the
rest of them here... Until that, even the best
of the best Americans find it silly to have an open
border where a terrorists or drug dealers
having a nice easy entry point into the country.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
Eh... I don't think smarts has much to do with it, but you're definitely right about everything else. Immigrants generally work harder for less. It's sad to see. Americans used to be known for their hard work and labor, but nowadays, it's totally opposite. We're known for being the fattest laziest country ever.

I'm all about American pride, but... that is embarrassing.


And service has gone to hell.

Try getting someone to help you at a store...it's like you are bothering them.

But we are both wrong...according to some in this thread...there are no better workers than Americans. I do think that was true in general at one point in time....it's not anymore.

But hey...maybe a fresh batch of immigrants can help us gain that reputation back...the self entitled Americans we have now aren't going to do it.


That is going to work great, except grandma will have
to learn spanish to get any help from the spanish only
speaking bag and cart person..
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posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 09:44 PM
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posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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Lets put it into real simple terms, which will fly over liberals heads as always.... Employer pays you 10 dollars an hr as a citizen and offers 7 dollars to the illegal alien this is what happens afterwards.... 2 dollars is taken for your income tax, 1 dollar for you property tax/rent, 1 dollar for car insurance, 1 dollar for health insurance and lets say 3 or 4 dollars for food and necessities..... So after all that money put into the system you are left with about 2 dollars of that 10......

Now the illegal was paid 3 dollars less than you but are not bound to our system or laws, they don't have income tax, property tax, car insurance or health insurance.... Sure they may have to pay lets say 1 dollar out of that on sales tax and that's all we'll see.......


Again...it's a myth that "illegals" don't pay income tax...many sources have been provided to show this.

Unless they are living on the streeet...they pay property taxes...if they are renting, the landlord uses part of their rent for property taxes.

And for the insurance...that is a choice you are making...you don't need a car....and you can use the free clinics and ERs just like "illegals" do. It's really crappy healthcare...but you seem to think "illegals" have it so good...maybe you should drop your health insurance and give it a try.

I really love examples like this...honestly...do people really think "illegals" live in luxury????


You are trying to tell me my own eyes deceived me when a fellow coworker of mine showed me his paycheck with no taxes taken out? I guess the employer was in on the joke too because I saw him hand them out to us and he must have just switched it.....

As for the property tax, most of the time their babies moms are on section 8 housing and paying 20 dollars a month rent and if that's not the case they are living with a bunch of family members... Again first hand eye witness accounts, don't believe me if you want I really don't care what you want to believe because I will believe my eyes before you......

This "free" healthcare you speak of, where is the money coming from to pay the doctors and nurses? Who is paying for the machines to run there? Money doesn't drop out of thin air does it? You can't sit there and deny the fact that someone has to foot the bill....



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 09:54 PM
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depends on the crime and yes it does happen.


Sure...could you give me an example where an American citizen is stripped of their citizenship and deported.

And the logical followup question...where in the hell do you deport them to???

If you are considered a traitor or server in a foreign military and fight against the US...you can have your citizenship revoked...but it isn't due to "crime".


they've broken the laws and should be punished accordingly, not granted a "stay".


I assume you are talking about Obama's new policy. The people benefiting from that have committed no crime...I'll let you figure out why that is true.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 10:01 PM
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Well employers wrote the law and influence congress to pass them so that they can make higher profits.. They are above the law unfortunately so this is why it has to be stopped at the individual level


That's just dumb.

You are going to excuse the people hiring them and paying them illegally low wages...and you are going to place all the blame on those trying for a better life for themselves and their family.

You aren't going to stop it at the individual level...it is a dumb approach...it's like trying to arrest all the drug users to stop the drug dealers.

Your hate seems to run so deep that you are willing to ignore the core of the problem just to continue to hate a group of people wanting a better life.


Sure these big wigs are the boogey men too but the blame is equal because the illegal immigrants are knowingly breaking the law on a individual level much like a thief,...

You can't place the blame on the guys upstairs they share equal amount of the blame.. They both are exploiting America at the expensive of it's people non is more guilty than the other.....


What big wigs...you seem to think huge corporations are the ones hiring illegals...it is small business, farms and small contractors that do the majority of the illegal hiring.

I don't think you are going to find a lot of "illegals" working for low wages in a Ford plant.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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Well employers wrote the law and influence congress to pass them so that they can make higher profits.. They are above the law unfortunately so this is why it has to be stopped at the individual level


That's just dumb.

You are going to excuse the people hiring them and paying them illegally low wages...and you are going to place all the blame on those trying for a better life for themselves and their family.

You aren't going to stop it at the individual level...it is a dumb approach...it's like trying to arrest all the drug users to stop the drug dealers.

Your hate seems to run so deep that you are willing to ignore the core of the problem just to continue to hate a group of people wanting a better life.


Sure these big wigs are the boogey men too but the blame is equal because the illegal immigrants are knowingly breaking the law on a individual level much like a thief,...

You can't place the blame on the guys upstairs they share equal amount of the blame.. They both are exploiting America at the expensive of it's people non is more guilty than the other.....


What big wigs...you seem to think huge corporations are the ones hiring illegals...it is small business, farms and small contractors that do the majority of the illegal hiring.

I don't think you are going to find a lot of "illegals" working for low wages in a Ford plant.


What are you talking about??? I worked in a warehouse with a ton of illegals and I talked with a younger kid working there and he told me exactly how everything worked, so this is first hand knowledge I didn't just make this stuff up......

Sure we got paychecks and there was barely any taxes out at all, I saw it with my own eyes! They might have paid taxes on Social Security by using a fake number, again this is fraud and illegal also, they already jumped the border, why stop at breaking just one law????



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 10:12 PM
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1. illegal immigration is definitely bad, not only does it drain resources for the otherwise highly trained and desirable legal immigrant, it also sends the wrong message by rewarding those who break the law.
it's common to see many biographies about successful individuals who proudly say that his/her parents jumped the fence and through hard work he/she achieved success. I understand some would be proud of the fact that their parents jumped the fence because it shows how they started from the very low and achieved success. However, you are still overlooking the fact that to achieve that success, laws were broken. This is definitely not a message any government or society should ever want to spread.


So let's fix it...let's make it very easy for those that want to come here to work to get into the country legally. Show up at the border...sign your name...get your tax id, work permit, and residency card.

Then give employers very harsh penalties for hiring anyone without a valid SSN that they have to verify, or a valid work permit.

Problem solved...no one will want to come here illegally anymore.


2. political correctness is ruining the common sense. To me it's just absurd that illegal immigrants get social benefits. Sometimes it seems that it would be better for me if I stopped paying my 40k a year tuition and just become an illegal immigrant, I haven't done that because of my professional goals but it just shows you how broken the system is.
I remember seeing somewhere an article about the "this is america, speak English" signs in restaurants. I admit that it is of poor taste to hang them on public businesses like restaurants but what really struck me was that the article and comments below were all very quick to call the shop owners racist, biggots, rednecks etc. etc.
last time I checked english is the official language here and I really don't see anything wrong with wanting to keep it that way, which takes me to my third point.


Welcome to the land of the free...oh by the way...you aren't free to speak the language you want to speak.

Besides...all this nonsense about language. People want english to be the "official" language...great...then what?

Are you going to outlaw people speaking another language? Are you going to make it illegal for a store or restaurant to have their signs or menus in a different language?

Seriously...what's the point. If someone doesn't want to speak English...it only hurts themselves...why do you care?



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 10:13 PM
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It doesn't matter what you say or how you say it, or how many facts you present, OS doesn't get it, or he does, but he just wants to stir emotions up and insult Americans.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by dayve
If i snuck into an illegal country and they paid me triple than what i use to get, i would work my ass off too.... Its either that or hustle drugs/weapons, get caught n get deported or jail, or end up dead... I have a few illegal friends, i dont hate em, but they dont deserve any praise


I would love to respond to your post...but I honestly can't tell what you are trying to say.

In my book...anyone who is willing to risk their lives and work hard to provide for their family deserve praise.



posted on Jun, 19 2012 @ 10:21 PM
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Oh hey, OS, by the way, my grandmother, her sister, brother, mother and father were all immigrants from Germany. Her father migrated to Germany from the Netherlands. They came here during WWII to get away from Nazi Germany. Guess what? THEY DID IT LEGALLY. If you want to live here, DO IT LEGALLY and we won't have a problem.



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