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Originally posted by Indigo5
So it is the "Civil" vs. "Federal" bit you are now contending?
Agreed then...it is not a "Criminal Act"...it is not a "Felony"...it is a "misdemeanor".
Originally posted by Indigo5
I could care less whether it is a "Federal" misdemeanor or a "Civil" one...
Originally posted by Indigo5
It is not a Felony like you and others infered.
Originally posted by Indigo5
Again...no interest in this kind of BS debate where you retreat to Fed. vs. Civil, when the debate was whether or not it was a Felony offense along the lines "Burglery" like you originally contested.
Originally posted by Indigo5
Dishonest crap...but certainly not unusual.
Glad to see you concede it is a "Misdemeanor" albiet while at the same claiming you never meant otherwise...
Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by macman
Way to turn this into a liberal-bashing festival.
Oh wait, that's 98% of the posts/threads on ATS!
Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by TheRedneck
Did your ancestors face an overly complicated, not to mention expensive system for becoming an US citizen?
Often, people come over illegally because either spent all of the money they had to be smuggled in or they never had much if anything to begin with!
Think about it.
WHY do they come over illegally?
Would they come over legally if they COULD?
Originally posted by Indigo5
Oh I never said it was not illegal...I responded to the rants about how it is a "Felony" and equivelant to "robbing someone" etc.
Sure it is illegal...but we are not Iran...we distinguish between different offenses for a reason.
Originally posted by deadcatsrule
Originally posted by LastProphet527
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
I wonder what the Indians think about the illegal Immigrants that are over here to !
being 1/2 American Indian we were beaten out by lies and fire power .To me not long be for Mexico does the same
Originally posted by Believer101
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
Now see, that was all just your opinion. Since you shared your opinion, I'll share mine.
My problem with Immigrants, illegal or not, is the fact that they push their country down our throats (Mexicans, mainly). They expect US to speak Spanish, put Spanish on everything, celebrate THEIR holidays, and the fact that they're always going on about how great their country is. If they expect us to welcome them, they need to be AMERICAN, learn English, and respect our country.
Another thing I have a problem with is the fact that they are sucking our country dry. They have child after child after child so they get paid for their kids by the government. They also get free education where we (AMERICANS) don't, they get paid to live here when we (AMERICANS) don't, they get free healthcare where we (AMERICANS) don't.
Plus, there are also all of those who are drug runners, thugs, criminals, and downright rude people. I got shoved down in Walmart today by a Mexican man all because I was "in his way" while grabbing some Ranch Dressing from the shelf. My family friends house was broken into the other day by her neighbors (Mexicans). They didn't take anything, but they shredded every piece of clothing, destroyed their furniture, and wrote "American Scum" on their living room wall.
Now, if they want to be treated equal and like Americans, they need to show us a little more respect.
Granted, there are those few who actually want to be American, that come here legally, that actually take the time to learn English, and have respect for ALL of us here. But, those do not extinguish those I mentioned above. The one's who actually have respect, I respect back. Those that do what I mentioned above, I despise with a passion.
Originally posted by kyoiism
I don't hate immigrants, but I don't like the fact that Mexican and other Central/South American nationals cross into our country illegally. I understand they want to make decent money for themselves and family, but why not do it the legal way? and become a U.S citizen? I just get the feeling they don't care about the United States of American and our culture, except for working and sending USD to their native country.
I just saw a story on how Asian immigrants have overtaken Hispanics, and how a kid from Thailand who didn't speak a lick of English 4 years ago became Class Victorian, his parents wanted something better for their child so they moved here the legal way, and their child now speaks fluent English.
My generation is simply lacking in morals and work ethic rather be rappers or something else that doesn't benefit our country....It's just sad hopefully just a fad or phase, but doesn't look to good for us.edit on 19-6-2012 by kyoiism because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by WelcomeToMyMachine
reply to post by TheRedneck
We are here to seek a new life. Obviously you don't care enough to talk to any good Mexican Immigrants. Yeah, they're gonna risk their life crossing El Rio Grande, days in the desert, avoiding the Border Patrol just for money, and not to seek a better life. Great theory.
Originally posted by WelcomeToMyMachine
reply to post by TheRedneck
We are here to seek a new life. Obviously you don't care enough to talk to any good Mexican Immigrants. Yeah, they're gonna risk their life crossing El Rio Grande, days in the desert, avoiding the Border Patrol just for money, and not to seek a better life. Great theory.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by LastProphet527
The Indians' land was not stolen; that is an outright lie. According to the tribes I come from, no one owned the land, and no one could own the land. Land was not a commodity to them as it was to the Europeans.
If you insist on bringing up the Indian rights argument, at least know what it is you are talking about. To start with, in the early days of the colonies not all the aggression came from the Europeans... the native tribes gave out plenty of their own. The biggest conflict was over land and water: Indians believed no one could own land, that it could never be bought, sold, or owned because it was the planet itself. The Europeans put great value on land, prizing it for the ability to set up permanent structures on it. The Europeans also tried to tame the wilderness, interfering with natural water flow and often overhunting areas. This upset the Indians because they were dependent on that water and wildlife for their existence.
The main advantage of the Europeans was they could fight as a team to bring about a common goal. The Indian tribes were not experienced at this. The one time they did manage to fight as a unified army, they won decisively... ask General Custer.
The Europeans did not come into the Americas illegally; the Indians had no law against them coming. Many of the original settlers were actually welcomed by the natives. They also did not come in order to find jobs; they came to find a new life. The illegal immigrants are not seeking a life; they are seeking money and possessions. There is a huge difference between the two.
TheRedneck
The illegal immigrants are not seeking a life; they are seeking money and possessions.
The biggest conflict was over land and water: Indians believed no one could own land, that it could never be bought, sold, or owned because it was the planet itself.
because it was the planet itself.
The Indians' land was not stolen; that is an outright lie. According to the tribes I come from, no one owned the land, and no one could own the land. Land was not a commodity to them as it was to the Europeans.
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Indigo5
Did the Italians, Irish and Chinese sneak across the border???
I can't seem to recall that......................
edit on 19-6-2012 by macman because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by paganini
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Indigo5
Did the Italians, Irish and Chinese sneak across the border???
I can't seem to recall that......................
edit on 19-6-2012 by macman because: (no reason given)
Actually many did. For exampleThe derogatory slur for Italians ,wop stood for "with out papers" due to the fact many of them came here illegally.