The Reason Some Americans Hate Immigrants...it's not because they are "illegal"

Originally posted by Nomed
I live in Arizona. Here's my opinion on how to make americans feel better about mexicans. Mexicans need to learn english. Thats it. Learn our language so we don't have to learn yours in our country.

Well it would be nice but it wouldn't make them legal haha.. The thing is they are one of the major reasons for the destruction of the middle class, falling right under greed......

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The only real way to combat illegal immigration would be to go after the employers that are exploiting the immigrants. Nobody seems to want to talk about that though. Star shutting down businesses that are found to be employing illegals whether knowingly or not and they will vet their prospective employees very thouroughly.

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Well that was the point I was trying to make.... The greed is the reason why the illegal immigration problem exists they are just a cog in the wheel in the destruction of the economy but it doesn't matter because the business owners are turning a nice profit....

It's just capitalism at work.

As we all know, Corporations run America. They lobby members of congress and donate hundreds of thousands of Dollars to the campaigns of senators and representatives.

Illegal Immigration is a result of the system you all love so much. Most of the time the biggest expense for a company is the payroll. So it's logical that these corporations will turn to cheap labor in order to maximize their profits.

So next time before blaming the people that are lured here by the companies willing to hire them, think about the corporations lobbying congress.

And there you have it...the entire point of my thread.

They are competition...competition some Americans can't hang with...and it cost them money.

It's difficult to hang with someone who is willing to take wages well below even minimum wage, working for no benefits. Are you suggesting Americans are lazy because they don't have 12 relatives living with them, living on meager wages, and providing no health benefits to their family? What fantasy land are you living in? Your comment that race means nothing, and hard work does was also hilarious. You don't live in reality. In my reality, the company I worked for let me go and others to meet a RACIAL quota. Yes, I was fired because I was white. Performance had nothing at all to do with it.

I just see this as yet another hate thread against America. It's all the rage here on ATS now.

Originally posted by borracho
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The only real way to combat illegal immigration would be to go after the employers that are exploiting the immigrants. Nobody seems to want to talk about that though. Star shutting down businesses that are found to be employing illegals whether knowingly or not and they will vet their prospective employees very thouroughly.

They did pass a law in Oklahoma a few years back for exactly that reason. To put some hefty fines on businesses that were knowingly hiring illegals to work. I have not heard much about it lately though. I know when they first passed it they raided some local businesses.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

I honestly don't care about legal vs illegal immigration.

Really, we had no idea – I bet you hate America and think we are imperialist pigdogs too…

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
But people tend to claim they don't have a problem with "legal" immigrants...but why? I honestly think it is because they know how incredibly hard and expensive it is to become a "legal" immigrant...so they know the volume is going to be extremely low and the competition from them is going to be extremely low.

Yes, because the difficulty and expense of following the law is justification to break it. I am poor therefore it’s ok for me to steal as long as it’s from someone who has more than me right?

Look we all know its “cool” to bash America and cry racism and all that nowadays but the work ethic of Americans and their relative racist tendencies are not the problem with illegal immigration. We all know it’s your “shtick” to hate America. Why would you continue to live in a culture you so abhor is beyond my comprehension.

Citizenship is a contract between the government and it’s citizens. The citizens will get to chose their leaders, enjoy the benefits of citizenship’s safety nets if they need them, and to pursue, life, liberty and happiness. They must follow the laws and pay taxes in exchange. In return the government is supposed to protect us from each other (crime) and to protect us from other governments (defense).

Bottom line - It is the responsibility of the government to protect the interest of its citizens first. If not there really is no reason for a government to exist.

Much like a parent’s obligation to provide for protect and support their children before they do so for another person’s child. Imagine if your child worked less hard in school so you decided you start spending time (your emotional investment) and money on another child instead? That would be justified in your mind? Your obligation is to your own children first – period. Perhaps you could take out an advance on your credit card to help this hard worker go to college and not send your own kid.

I find it crazy that people don’t see the issue as simplistically as it is.

The citizens of the United States have a reasonable expectation that their agents in the government would protect their interests (financial and otherwise) even if that means taking actions that are not in the best interest of the citizens of other countries. If the public treasury were overflowing with money it would be one thing to continue to support the citizens of other nations. However, we all know that is not the case.

It’s all well and good to tout the worthiness of the majority of the illegal immigrants who come here in search of a better life; however, it is not their “right” to do so if it infringes upon the rights of American citizens. Taking our tax dollars illegally is infringing upon our rights and the expectation that the government will use our money wisely.

When the illegals come here they break the law of the land I for one expect the government to enforce it not selectively but fairly. Further, they compound their illegal actions when they steal a public education by enrolling their children in school, which is a benefit of US citizenship not simple human existence.

They are not only illegal immigrants but fraudsters and thieves – this is without regard to their country of origin. Race has little to do with it. I know its convieniant for you to use it - you do in almost every response to any thread regardless of the topic you insert racism in there somehow. I find it creative at least if not effective.

Then again claiming racism is such an overused meme today. I guess because it works toward the advantage of those who have no real substance to their argument otherwise. People are afraid of being labeled racist. It is today’s equivalent of McCarthyism (the hunt for communist in the 50’s) – to be accused is enough to get one black listed. No facts or convictions are needed.

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You could always build a military base or a couple, then the land is immediately under the control of the gov and anyone trespassing will either be locked up or shot for national security risks. problem solved

Originally posted by TheTardis
In case anyone, including OS has some free time to read up on it. This site has some good numbers and statistics on crime rates and how much you and me the taxpayers are paying to house illegal immigrants in our prison system. Its stagering. And while I know not all of the illegals are criminals doesnt change the fact that a lot are.

www.illegalimmigrationstatistics.org...

funny I posted the same link yesterday nobody cares they just want some one to argue with

Originally posted by hypervigilant
I'm an old man that has lived in Texas all of my life except for an extended vacation is Southeast Asia as a teenager in 68-69... I can't believe all of the blatantly accepted and repeated lies that I have seen here denigrating the fine family oriented people that have come here without proper documentation to provide a better life for their children... I have heard the repeated lies about them not paying for emergency medical care yet Parkland Hospital in Dallas says that they pay cash when seen and treated there... I have many family members that are 2nd and 3rd generation citizens that originally crossed the Rio Bravo, took menial jobs, worked, saved and prospered... They have been looked down upon for have done as well as they have by the lighter complected citizens with less grit and less desire to be as productive and referred to as wetbacks even after working there way through college by taking jobs that were below the standards that the name callers would take... The bulk of criminal activity I have seen in my life has not been by illegals though crimes by one of them is always going to be exploited on the 5 o'clock news... My vacation 44 years ago was with the 9th Marine Regiment. on the DMZ and Laotian border.. Many of the best and bravest of the guys I'd met had grown up along the US border with Mexico where some of them were born.. There was very little difference in which side you are on down there, but that was before the war on drugs and private prisons... I wish it was possible for me to meet native born Texans and others of the states north of us that were as decent as these hard working, honest, family oriented people...

No one is saying that many of the fence hoppers aren't good people. I was a Marine as well, 1994-1998.

You as well as anyone should know that when you just let people run amok across the border, what you end up with is an unoriginized clusterf*uck. Who is coming in? Are they good people wanting to make a better life or are they criminals fleeing justice from their respective country? Nobody knows. And apparently we aren't supposed to ask.

Originally posted by deadcatsrule

Originally posted by TheTardis
In case anyone, including OS has some free time to read up on it. This site has some good numbers and statistics on crime rates and how much you and me the taxpayers are paying to house illegal immigrants in our prison system. Its stagering. And while I know not all of the illegals are criminals doesnt change the fact that a lot are.

www.illegalimmigrationstatistics.org...

funny I posted the same link yesterday nobody cares they just want some one to argue with

I have to agree with that statement.

As long as America is run by the corporations this problem will always exist. There will ALWAYS be illegal immigration.

This is the way congress wants it, it's a win win situation for them! They get a chance to rile up the conservatives by shifting the blame of the Economic woes on Immigrants while at the same time providing Companies with an overload of cheap labor always available to them!

The best thing in my opinion would be to legalize them, that ways they will be paying taxes and into social security.

Originally posted by muse7
As long as America is run by the corporations this problem will always exist. There will ALWAYS be illegal immigration.

This is the way congress wants it, it's a win win situation for them! They get a chance to rile up the conservatives by shifting the blame of the Economic woes on Immigrants while at the same time providing Companies with an overload of cheap labor always available to them!

The best thing in my opinion would be to legalize them, that ways they will be paying taxes and into social security.

But then you will have a whole new batch coming in saying "What about me" and then you may as well just hand out citizenship papers at he border for anyone and everyone that crosses. Its a never ending battle.

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I'm entitled that's why I go to school and work full time for 45+ hours a week....Pls ur generalizing 300 million people. of course people hate others cause they simply don't understand them, but to say Americans are lazy and are less intelligent is pure ignorance. send this %%%% to the rant section pls. no facts just opinions

I couldn't even continue reading because this thread contains so much ignorance. First of all, you don't know what other people think, unless you're psychic, in which case you wouldn't be wasting your time posting crap like this on ATS. Now what are you talking about here? Immigrants, or ILLEGAL immigrants. That's what I hate, illegal immigration.

I don't care how hardworking anyone is, when there is someone who will work for a fraction of the LEGAL limit, they are going to be hired. Hands down, because there are crooked employers. How do you think that is right, and how does that reflect badly on Americans? It doesn't, and that is why you are ignorant.

I just had to ...
ATS Thread .. we should have an immigration policy just like Mexico has!
Yep ...

As hard as this fact might be to accept. OutKast does have a point.

Let's look at Georgia who passed a sweeping anti illegal immigration law, modeled after the one in Arizona. Which led to illegal immigrants leaving the state and abandoning the jobs at farms where they picked the crops. Supposedly this law was not only going to drive out the illegals but also create jobs for Americans that were unemployed.

Thanks to the resulting labor shortage, Georgia farmers have been forced to leave millions of dollars’ worth of blueberries, onions, melons and other crops unharvested and rotting in the fields. It has also put state officials into something of a panic at the damage they’ve done to Georgia’s largest industry.

The anti-immigration crowd likes to say that illegal immigrants are taking jobs that Americans would otherwise do. The fact that Georgia farmers aren’t able to replace their migrant workers would seem to be evidence that this is clearly not the case.

It’s hard to envision a way out of this. Georgia farmers could try to solve the manpower shortage by offering higher wages, but that would create an entirely different set of problems. If they raise wages by a third to a half, which is probably what it would take, they would drive up their operating costs and put themselves at a severe price disadvantage against competitors in states without such tough immigration laws. That’s one of the major disadvantages of trying to implement immigration reform state by state, rather than all at once. The pain this is causing is real. People are going to lose their crops, and in some cases their farms. The small-town businesses that supply those farms with goods and services are going to suffer as well. For economically embattled rural Georgia, this could be a major blow.

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Originally posted by FlyersFan
I just had to ...
ATS Thread .. we should have an immigration policy just like Mexico has!
Yep ...

Yep...you had to say you look up to Mexico for good policy advice.

Good job.

Anti-illegal immigration bill stokes backlash in Alabama fields

Farmers fearing a labor shortage are protesting recent immigration laws they say are too harsh, forcing undocumented workers to flee to prevent deportation. They say US workers are unwilling to endure the rigorous conditions of farm work and that state legislators need to come up with solutions to prevent local agribusiness from going under.

More than 100 farmers and three state representatives in Alabama responded to the recent enactment of a slate of anti-illegal immigration laws by holding a public hearing this week in Oneonta, about 35 miles northeast of Birmingham. The farmers complained that they were already seeing laborers pack up and leave the state.

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It's quite sad that many members on here want the U.S. to adopt the same barbaric policies of 3rd world countries.