Originally posted by antar
reply to post by nenothtu
Before choosing my candidate, you being the first to see my reply to the Platform, I would ask for an addendum, that if a woman makes a mistake, she
should be allowed the abortion, but at the same time she should also have her tubes tied in a temporary fashion, this way in the future should she
decide to have a child, she can have the process reversed.
Well, Antar, the actual platform is that it's none of my business what they do, only that it be done in a fair manner - what's good for the goose is
good for the gander. So I would neither prevent nor facilitate them if it were within my purview..
I can see a "mistake" personally, although I can't consider a child to be a "mistake" - the actions resulting in it, however, can be considered a
"mistake". I'll give you an example I'm acquainted with. I've known two women who had abortions over what I would call a "mistake". their first
mistake was getting involved with a-holes.One was married to him, and the other wasn't, but later GOT married to him for some unfathomable reason.
Just compounding the mistake, I reckon.
In both of those cases, the woman WANTED the child, the man didn't, and they allowed him to browbeat them into abortions. That's just as one-sided as
a woman taking it upon herself to X out the baby without consulting the father. It takes two to make one, and it ought to be the decision of two to
end one, in most cases. I make exception for that in cases of pregnancy resulting from non-consensual sex. In those cases, pappy's got no say, and
properly ought not to be able to even speak anyways, through the blinding pain of castration via rusty sardine can lid. But I digress.
Also, in both of those cases, the woman never forgave herself, and carried the pain of that decision the rest of her days - one carried it all the way
to the grave. I don't think a single day went by that they didn't think of it.
All because some a-hole couldn't keep it in his pants, and wanted to play without the pay, wanted the fun without the responsibility. There wasn't the
slightest bit of "man" about either one of them. So yeah, getting involved with those jokers in the first place was their first mistake.
Sometimes, abortion destroys more than one life.
I could get behind the notion of abortion with the stipulation of forced sterilization if it was a consensual act resulting in the pregnancy. In
non-consensual cases, I wouldn't include that requirement, nor would I include it in cases of medical emergency. It's bad enough to have to decide
which is to die, knowing that it's going to have to be at least one.
Far too many women use abortion as a form of birth control.
That's a fact. There are cases where it's necessary, but they are the exception rather than the rule.
In the past I have thought that anyone is entitled to one mistake or accident. That the first abortion should be granted but if it happens again she
should then have her tubes tied.
Entitled to ONE mistake, if it's going to end a baby. One. There shouldn't be a second chance. Sterilize at the first "mistake", because clearly
someone isn't thinking straight enough to be able to bring a life into the world if the sorts of mistakes they make mean having to kill. A reversible
option would be great, because people can learn over time.
So either way would be fine imo. The problem is that there will be far less cannon fodder for wars in the future, that there will be less money
filtered into the system for the abortion industry...
Even though I'm known far and wide across ATS as a "warmonger", I just can't see the absence of cannon fodder as a problem! people might have to learn
to get along if they couldn't throw their children at the "enemy", and had to get out into the trenches themselves.
No, not having enough people to throw a war ain't a bad thing. The rest of us might accidentally get left alone to live in peace then. I sometimes
wonder if anyone ever reads all of what I write on the subject. Too many seem to think that I prefer
war because I can see some times when it's
needed, and entirely miss the parts where I say I'd rather everyone be left alone in peace, because I'm damned tired of fighting.
Simply being able to see that there is an occasional need for it isn't the same as thinking it's the best thing since sliced bread, or thinking every
war that comes down the pike is a good thing.
edit on 2012/6/24 by nenothtu because: Re-word awkward seciton - replaced 7 with 1. Simpler is better.