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Originally posted by Germanicus
and I say american style capitalism because some parrot like you will try to pretend he is clever by saying that we do not have capitalism. We have capitalism. Deal with it.
Originally posted by lolmanicus
"Hey guys! Lets play baseball, but lets play it with soccer balls and hockey sticks!"
Fundamentally, there are only two ways of coordinating the economic activities of millions. One is central direction involving the use of coercion – the technique of the army and of the modern totalitarian state. The other is voluntary cooperation of individuals – the technique of the marketplace. – Milton Friedman
To the revolutionary Socialist I do not appeal as the Liberal candidate for Dundee. I recognise that they are perfectly right in voting against me and voting against the Liberals, because Liberalism is not Socialism, and never will be. [Cheers.]There is a great gulf fixed. It is not only a gulf of method, it is a gulf of principle. There are many steps we have to take which our Socialist opponents or friends, whichever they like to call themselves, will have to take with us; but there are immense differences of principle and of political philosophy between the views we put forward and the views they put forward... Winston Churchill, Liberal Party candidate for Dundee. 1908, Kinnaird Hall, Dundee.
Socialism is the workers ownership of the means of production, not capitalism with large government and a social safety net, that is liberalism. Liberalism is not socialism.
I prefer State Capitalism. State Capitalism is what China have been using. I also like National Socialism. Both are hybrids. They mix socialism with capitalism.
We have capitalism. Deal with it.
The USA has always been a capitalist nation
Originally posted by JackBauer
The whole world is rejecting american style capitalism.
The world is a big place, and no they're not rejecting "american style capitalism". France can welcome the past, the failed past, while we will proudly keep our free system that lets people do as they please to make a living. If you excessively tax and punish the employers out of business, guess what? You no longer get a paycheck. France will be sorry for this. I don't care, america doesn't care, and it will fail. Their hatred towards those who have more than them has blindly thrown them into a tailspin.edit on 6/17/2012 by JackBauer because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by taskforce4256
reply to post by Germanicus
"The world turns socialist"? Okay - explain the Greek vote. Once again, the Lefties
are running through hill and valley, chasing that unicorn that craps gold.
Pro-European is a subjective term applied to a person who supports the idea of European unification (mainly through the European Union (EU)) and generally supports further 'deepening' of European integration, specifically in the context of political argument over the current and future status of the EU and its policies.
Social democracy is a political ideology that considers itself to be a form of reformist democratic socialism. Social democracy argues that all citizens should be legally entitled to certain social rights. These are made up of universal access to public services such as: education, health care, workers' compensation, and other services including child care and care for the elderly. Social democracy is connected with the trade union labour movement and supports collective bargaining rights for workers. Contemporary social democracy advocates freedom from discrimination based on differences of: ability/disability, age, social class, ethnicity, gender, language, race, religion, and sexual orientation. Most social democratic parties are affiliated with the Socialist International.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Care to back up your claims that Capitalism is done in France? When they were in power before it remained and since the socialists have been in control sicne 2011, its still capitalist.
So please - support your claims.
Actually the MSM has no problem showing anything about a country just because it's socialist. It's just that Americans aren't that interested about what is going on over seas.
Socialism would give you the full worth of your labour.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
They do make jobs, just not here.
They can have those jobs and all the fringe benefits
edit on 17-6-2012 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 11235813213455
Cant wait to watch them grenade their economy even faster now.
They'll get what they deserve.edit on 18-6-2012 by 11235813213455 because: (no reason given)
Hollande will use a special session of parliament next month to whittle down France's numerous tax exemptions and pass tax rises for large corporations, especially banks and energy firms, in a bid to cut the deficit to within the European Union's 3 percent limit by next year despite a stagnant economy.
Economists expect the Socialist leader - who has also pledged a 75 percent tax rate on those earning over 1 million euros - to use an audit of the state's finances due early next month to water down his campaign pledges to increase spending on welfare and education and justify tax rises.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by ANOK
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the claims the op made that I was responding to. I want the op to support his claims France is abandoning capitalism / American model because of the new government. He made the claims wihtout proper regard to history solely to try and push his agenda in hopes no one would call him out on it.
I am and would like him to respond.
Not even close...
Compare benefiets available in France to those who are unemployed. Tell me who pays for those programs? Please explain how a person who is not working is receiving their "worth" in labor.
Then please read Animal Farm.
The government found itself in a peculiar situation when the dust had settled after July I 9th. While it remained the government it had no way of exercising its authority. Most of the army had openly rebelled against it. Where the rebellion had been defeated the army was disbanded and the workers now had the arms. The trade unions and left-wing organisations immediately set about organising these armed workers. Militias were formed and these became the units of the revolutionary army. Ten days after the coup there were I 8,000 workers organised in the militias of Catalonia. The vast majority of these were members of the CNT. Overall there were 150,000 volunteers willing to fight whenever they were needed.
...I had come to Spain with some notion of writing newspaper articles, but I had joined the militia almost immediately, because at that time and in that atmosphere it seemed the only conceivable thing to do. The Anarchists were still in virtual control of Catalonia and the revolution was still in full swing. To anyone who had been there since the beginning it probably seemed even in December or January that the revolutionary period was ending; but when one came straight from England the aspect of Barcelona was something startling and overwhelming. It was the first time that I had ever been in a town where the working class was in the saddle...