Socialists Win French Parliament Race As World Turns Socialist., page 2


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reply posted on 17-6-2012 @ 11:01 PM by Germanicus
Originally posted by Propulsion
What is it bubb, communism or socialism. You just can’t seem to make up your mind in any thread you put together. Are you looking to somehow create a communist/socialist utopia? I’m confused. Is France going to join China and start WW3 to destroy America? I'm lost...!

Future is bright for Australia

It is obvious how anti-American you are. Your anger will only consume you in the end. I’ve never known any one member here on ATS to cry more.

Give me (us) a break!
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I make up my mind fine. I prefer State Capitalism. State Capitalism is what China have been using. I also like National Socialism. Both are hybrids. They mix socialism with capitalism.

And yes, I see France and Greece looking toward the BRICS nations and turning away from the USD.

And I am not anti-american. I am anti-capitalist. You get confused very easily.

And it is you who seems upset. There there. I know it is scary. Big scary China is coming. It is not my fault Americas days as superpower are numbered. It is fact. Deal with it.


reply posted on 17-6-2012 @ 11:22 PM by Mijamija
reply to post by Germanicus



I do not think socialism is better than capitalism or that capitalism is better than socialism.

I think both systems have the potential to be great and very beneficial for people.

They also have the potential to be abused by those in power who seek to condense power in the hands of a few.

The reason why I think Europe should go back to a more socialist structure is because it suits the European people better. It works for them. It is reflective of their cultures in general. So it only makes sense that they would do better under a more socialist system.

The USA has always been a capitalist nation, it has worked very well for us as well. I have no problem with capitalism, but what has been going on in the USA for the last 30 years is an extreme form of capitalism that has gotten way out of hand IMO.


reply posted on 17-6-2012 @ 11:41 PM by jeanne75018
reply to post by buster2010



You don't need to freak out, the Socialist Party in France has nothing "socialist" today, it's more like the Democrates in the USA.
And I will add that the Americans can be more socialists than us: for instance you have the Class Actions to fight the big corporations, something our politicians have never had the guts to vote. And after the 2007 crisis, you have changed many things in finance, in France, we have done nothing. Of course, the right was at the government and it might change...
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reply posted on 17-6-2012 @ 11:44 PM by SLAYER69
Originally posted by Germanicus
Its pretty obvious. America will be lucky if its not a third world country when it loses the Reserve.


I suppose anything is possible.

Just I wouldn't be counting all those Chickens regarding China just yet...


All stimulus and no reform gives China’s economy Frankenstein-like qualities
No issue looms larger than China’s suddenly shaky economy. The world is now bracing for a slowdown that pundits said was unlikely to happen. So are officials in Beijing, who worry that social unrest could boil over quickly if growth evaporates....

That’s where the trouble begins. Last time, it was easy for China. Throw piles and piles of money at new infrastructure projects and watch gross domestic product boom. This time, China must be smarter. Xi, and whoever succeeds Wen Jiabao as premier, must avoid the asset bubbles and property-price spirals that accompanied the largest of 2008. Anything that pushes real estate further out of reach for China’s 99 per cent increases the odds that protesters will converge on Tiananmen Square.
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reply posted on 17-6-2012 @ 11:58 PM by neo96
reply to post by Germanicus




America has half its population on food stamps.


No

This nation has a population of 320 million and 47 million is on food stamps which is not even close to being half

.

Lazy Americans are ripping off the welfare system and government is out of control with massive debt. It is clear who we need to cut loose. The US must give up the reserve. The US Government is a loser and the americans are ripping us all off by having the reserve currency. Nobody will care about you guys since nobody cared about the Greeks.


Really need to stop with that hyperbole nobody carres about the Sino-Australian inferority complex or the EU or France, or the Greeks.


reply posted on 18-6-2012 @ 12:18 AM by Germanicus
Originally posted by METACOMET
Originally posted by Germanicus
I make up my mind fine. I prefer State Capitalism. State Capitalism is what China have been using. I also like National Socialism. Both are hybrids. They mix socialism with capitalism.


What you call "American style capitalism" is an misnomer and at this point I think you are being deliberately obtuse about it.

Capitalism is a voluntary, consenting exchange of goods between two parties, for their own mutual benefit without the outside threat of force. It is a market that runs on the incentive of profit and loss and the freedom of competition. Once restrictions or government intervention are applied to capitalism, it is no longer capitalism but central planning.

So, that being said, lets pretend for a minute that you don't get to make up your own definitions in an attempt to prevent collapse of your fragile worldview. Give me a single example of any country practicing capitalism. Pretty please with a cherry on top.

At this time, America practices exactly the economic model you endorse in your post.


I am not being obtuse at all. It is Americas empire. America created it. and I say american style capitalism because some parrot like you will try to pretend he is clever by saying that we do not have capitalism. We have capitalism. Deal with it. America set this system up after WW2. The reserve changed hands and America has run its own style of capitalism ever since. Upward Mobility and bs like that belong to american style capitalism. Capitalism has failed. It turns into crony capitalism or corporatism. look at the United States. It is a loser of a country. They have all that debt. Then look at China. State Capitalism works. American style capitalism does not.

The world will be socialist soon. State Capitalism is Chinese style socialism.

edit-Pretty sure I am more intelligent than you btw. So you sound silly when you be rude and try to talk down to me.
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reply posted on 18-6-2012 @ 12:32 AM by Germanicus
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by Germanicus
The world will be socialist soon. State Capitalism is Chinese style socialism.



FYI it's called
Mercantilism not State Capitalism
edit on 18-6-2012 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)


I dont say FYI but, no, China has State Capitalism.

Mercantilism went out a long time ago. It turned into capitalism.
Many analysts assert that China is one of the main examples of state capitalism in the 21st century.[41][42] In his book, The End of the Free Market: Who Wins the War Between States and Corporations, political scientist Ian Bremmer describes China as the primary driver for the rise of state capitalism as a challenge to the free market economies of the developed world, particularly in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis.[43] Bremmer describes state capitalism thus:[44]

In this system, governments use various kinds of state-owned companies to manage the exploitation of resources that they consider the state's crown jewels and to create and maintain large numbers of jobs. They use select privately owned companies to dominate certain economic sectors. They use so-called sovereign wealth funds to invest their extra cash in ways that maximize the state's profits. In all three cases, the state is using markets to create wealth that can be directed as political officials see fit. And in all three cases, the ultimate motive is not economic (maximizing growth) but political (maximizing the state's power and the leadership's chances of survival). This is a form of capitalism but one in which the state acts as the dominant economic player and uses markets primarily for political gain.

en.wikipedia.org...
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