It Is Time To Police The Internet.

not only no... hell no ... dont need big brother and the americans bolloxing up one of the last bastions of freedom in the world...

internet is fine the way it is ...

Uh,,,,,, if you break the law online it is the same as breaking it "in real life". Why police something that is already policed?

Originally posted by WhisperingWinds
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

 

We live in a world where anyone with skills taught to them by those who know how, can hack into most computers and systems, as well as falsely represent themselves.

False.

2nd.

reply to post by calstorm

Yes, it sucks that these images get put on the internet, but it is not taking place on the internet, it is taking place in the real world and being posted on the internet. It needs to be dealt with in the real world.

The internet is part of the real world, and helps perpetuate these crimes. The problem with dealing with them in the real world, is that, its very hard to track down who is behind them, when great lengths are taken to hide the identity, as well as multiple proxies,etc.

Originally posted by AkumaStreak

Originally posted by WhisperingWinds
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

 

We live in a world where anyone with skills taught to them by those who know how, can hack into most computers and systems, as well as falsely represent themselves.

False.

2nd.

I know for a fact it is true. Maybe not most but far too many.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
I knew that few would agree with me on this thread I am not expecting the masses of ATS to rally to my call. I just think that it might make for interesting debate.

I ask those who disagree with me what they think should be done with the issues I have raised in this thread how should we prevent crime in the internet?

I am not talking about taking away freedom of speech on the internet, I am talking about policing the internet to take away the ability of criminals to use the internet for their evil deeds.

You cannot put an end to cyber crimes just like you cannot end "real world" crimes. It's a non-issue. What you raise are already crimes and people get locked up for it already.

reply to post by type0civ

You cannot put an end to cyber crimes just like you cannot end "real world" crimes. It's a non-issue. What you raise are already crimes and people get locked up for it already.

maybe you can't put an end to them, but you can certainly cut down the numbers by making it more difficult.

As far as people getting locked up for crimes that are happening anyway, obviously not enough, because they are growing in number.

Who would fund it?

I know that if policing the internet got bigger than it already is it would cost so much money to maintain its force and workers, servers and internet connectivity.

I would bet that a majority of people would be willing to submit to this, as long as they don't look at the receipt.

I'm afraid many of us appear on watchlists already for simply posting on websites like this.

Would interstate commerce be even higher regulated? Probably. Websites like eBay, Etsy, Amazon and the like would most likely have to start charging some intense fees to sell or purchase goods on them.

I feel like it would become some sort of separate internet government, not just an internet police force. Speech is more often restricted than free on the internet anyhow.

The current government should be more concerned with sexual predators on the internet than terrorists.

You're more likely to die of a heart attack than terrorist attack in America anyhow.

Originally posted by WhisperingWinds

There are many crimes against children on the net, that don't involve what you are talking about. Children can get swiped off the street walking to a friends house, and end up in some basement dungeon used as "entertainment" for certain groups of people on the internet who get off on watching children suffer. Or they can be be abused or manipulated into sex in situations while being filmed, and then it is shared with others online.

The situation you are describing is not exactly an internet relate issue, there is no way someone can reach through the internet and swipe a kid off the street. Regarding distributing images of against a child that an abuser has kidnapped off the street, before the internet existed the same crimes occurred, the criminals discovered each other through personal ad's in magazines or alternative news prints and mailed video tapes to each other to share.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


The FBI, NSA, CIA etc..how many more do you want on here?? Gods sake..can we not have freedom of speech and the ability to talk to other people from other countries. We get news on this site 2 weeks before it ever hits the News Media. Our news here in America does not tell us everything..The internet is useful in allowing us to find out what is going on in other States or Countries that otherwise we would never know...

The Defense Department created the Internet back in the 1960's. Do you really think they are not already on here??

Well here in Europe their is bin talk, that the internet can only be entered when you put you ID in before opening a browser.
If that happens then kaboom no hiding no more.

Get your copies of Ubuntu on disk, perhaps store the TOR browser on it to, things are about the change M..F..s
NWO is coming (okey now I am overreacting...)

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


Does law apply in a virtual sense? I mean unless someone steals your money, id etc does it really matter? Why does it matter? Would it have mattered if the internet didn't exist?

The problem with this idea, aside from infringing on basic rights, is who exactly would be appointed to govern the internet in this international bureaucracy. Would China do it? Would the United States do it? Perhaps North Korea would be to your liking?

This is so absurd. Globalization of anything is NOT the answer.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


I agree with you on this issue.

After all, if you aren't doing anything illegal........what is the problem...?

reply to post by MrJohnSmith


The problem is the definition of what's illegal changes from one day to the next. Always more things become illegal, never less. I'm sure you put your full trust in the people who define what's illegal, right? That they would police the internet for the interests of everyone and not some guy with a deep wallet. Yea right, you know what they say: "fool me once". Read about the last couple thousand years and what the people who made the rules did.

Next thing you know every comment or article you read on the internet will be manufactured and tailored to brainwash you. Hell the advertisement industry (lol, we have an industry built on advertising... sad in itself) even got a jump start, google the wrong thing and you'll be getting oddly familiar ads for the rest of your IPs life. Look at what happened to our "news" channels that play in every bar and convenience store in the country, yours is the same. What makes you think anything is any different with the internet or anything else?

No thanks, I'll pass on these numbskulls attempting to "police" the internet. Same as anything else, the real criminals will still be using their own net while only your everyday internet user will suffer for stupider and stupider things as time goes on. Come on now, we haven't been down this road enough already to realize this?

The "if you aren't doing anything" rationale is about as lame as it comes. Oh yea, well "if you aren't doing anything illegal" then I guess you wouldn't mind me coming and inspecting your house huh? Seeing as how privacy apparently doesn't apply to people who aren't doing anything illegal, because they have nothing to hide that's a free ticket to rifle through their #, online or whatever.

A sexual crime against a child is a crime of the highest order.

Would you knowingly frequent a house as a visitor if while you were there the owner was serving up child porn to people who periodically knocked the door?.
It is NO different frequenting an area of cyberspace, and defending this space, as some sort of onlinewild west where anything goes.
If you think protecting everyones rights equally, including the rights of pedophiles to use this software for their own purposes, is in any way "Moral" or "Right", then i am afraid the general level of humanity on ATS is pretty poor.
How many of you whilst using tor have accidentaly found child porn whilst navigating .onion domains?.
How many would admit accidentaly finding it, it is unfair to all children everywhere, each a potential victim, to allow an unregulated, anonymous, convenience store for online pedos, to continue to exist.
I wouldn't care if they shut the entire net down, if it protected a single child from the harm of being sexually predated upon.
You shouldn't either, should you?.

Who flagged this nonsense?, really own up !!

Id say "Time to take back the internet"

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


IMO, the only way to get scammed on the internet is by doing something stupid. (like going to ambiguous-looking websites, downloading bad torrents, opening obvious scam-emails, etc.)
That said, when people do stupid things in real life, other people take advantage of that.

Life's night fair.... But guess what, I don't care if it's not fair, because nothing is going to change that.
I certainly don't want to sacrifice my own freedom to prevent idiots from being scammed on the web.

Also - the technology to 100% detect criminals online simply doesn't exist. We don't need more TSA agents.

Sorry dude, but you're wrong.

Originally posted by The X
A sexual crime against a child is a crime of the highest order.

Would you knowingly frequent a house as a visitor if while you were there the owner was serving up child porn to people who periodically knocked the door?.
It is NO different frequenting an area of cyberspace, and defending this space, as some sort of onlinewild west where anything goes.
If you think protecting everyones rights equally, including the rights of pedophiles to use this software for their own purposes, is in any way "Moral" or "Right", then i am afraid the general level of humanity on ATS is pretty poor.
How many of you whilst using tor have accidentaly found child porn whilst navigating .onion domains?.
How many would admit accidentaly finding it, it is unfair to all children everywhere, each a potential victim, to allow an unregulated, anonymous, convenience store for online pedos, to continue to exist.
I wouldn't care if they shut the entire net down, if it protected a single child from the harm of being sexually predated upon.
You shouldn't either, should you?.

Pedophiles will continue to exist, just as strongly, with or without the internet.
All policing it does is arrest people and put the blinders on the rest of us so we don't have to see it.

I don't know about you, but if the truth is inconvenient, I don't just want to be fed a lie instead.

You've been blinded by a political argument.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

I just want to say, just in case it might make a difference this has been written by a UK perspective.

Oh, I doubt that very seriously.

In your OP, you have made several very basic spelling and grammatical errors that lead me to believe that your first language is not, in fact, English:

why I think the internet should be police.

they can hide behind the vale of cyberspace

If you were to seal a DVD or a CD form a shop

from your local copper

Take for example childish bullying

it is no longer confide to the parameters of the playground

You are not from the UK... your grammer and syntax is more like a crude satire, or caricature of an English speaking individual, than that of someone native to the language.

I call Hoax.