It Is Time To Police The Internet.

The other thing that is really making me angry about this thread, is that the attitude expressed by the OP and the other people who agree with him, is derived purely from cowardice and mind control.

As I've said, I'm not the most self-responsible person in existence myself, no. But at least I am aware on some level, that the more desirable outcome is more individual responsibility, not less.

I don't want to live in a world where the government treats everyone like toddlers. I don't want to live in a society of adult children, who rely on the government to protect them and do everything for them, because their own sense of basic self-worth is so completely non-existent, that they don't believe that they can do anything themselves.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by petrus4

 

Well that depends on your point of view, if you’re a “conspiracy nut” who thinks 9/11 was a false flag to prepare the way for the Galactic Federation of Light(I am not saying you are just making a point here) then probably the government. If you are a rational law abiding citizen then probably the criminals, for me it’s the criminals.

If you have this sort of attitude towards conspiracy theories, then why are you here? What are you even doing using this forum?

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Someone already thought of that bad idea.

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is derived purely from cowardice and mind control.

I am not seeking to insult anyone, my last comment was merely a extreme example to make a point. It depends how you view the world.

I can assure you I am not a coward nor am I under any sort of mind control

Originally posted by WhisperingWinds

Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

 

Every time a home burglary is committed by one, a nation of good people learn to lock their doors. Every time a child is abducted by one, a nation of law abiding citizens learn to arm their kids with cell phones, locating devices, and fear of walking alone. Every time a woman is raped by one, the whole gender learns to look at itself, not as free women with just as many rights as men, but as potential victims every time they step out of their homes.

We demand more laws, more police protection, yet we want less intrusion into our own lives.
Where does it end? What is the answer? I don't know.

What I do know is that I want my internet free. I want to be able to post my thoughts online without my name being written on some government watchdog list. I don't want the law knocking down my door because I did an online search for 'kidney problems' and one of the millions of available links that popped up was for 'kiddie porn'.

The cure for hackers breaking into government websites is to have the government stop putting sensitive information on computers with internet access.

No, no, keep Big Brother away from the internet.

C'mon, they aren't interested in your opinions on a forum, they are interested in getting those who do serious crime, and there are plenty.

This isn't about not being able to voice your opinion, its about catching serious "bad guys" and to not make it so tempting for those who are thinking about it.

Oh yeah, then why can't Americans gamble online? Over the last year, certain governments have shut down access to sites like Twitter to block the flow of information. It is the habit of governments to start with a little control and end up with total control. Can you not see this?

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by WhisperingWinds

Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

 

Every time a home burglary is committed by one, a nation of good people learn to lock their doors. Every time a child is abducted by one, a nation of law abiding citizens learn to arm their kids with cell phones, locating devices, and fear of walking alone. Every time a woman is raped by one, the whole gender learns to look at itself, not as free women with just as many rights as men, but as potential victims every time they step out of their homes.

We demand more laws, more police protection, yet we want less intrusion into our own lives.
Where does it end? What is the answer? I don't know.

What I do know is that I want my internet free. I want to be able to post my thoughts online without my name being written on some government watchdog list. I don't want the law knocking down my door because I did an online search for 'kidney problems' and one of the millions of available links that popped up was for 'kiddie porn'.

The cure for hackers breaking into government websites is to have the government stop putting sensitive information on computers with internet access.

No, no, keep Big Brother away from the internet.

C'mon, they aren't interested in your opinions on a forum, they are interested in getting those who do serious crime, and there are plenty.

This isn't about not being able to voice your opinion, its about catching serious "bad guys" and to not make it so tempting for those who are thinking about it.

Oh yeah, then why can't Americans gamble online? Over the last year, certain governments have shut down access to sites like Twitter to block the flow of information. It is the habit of governments to start with a little control and end up with total control. Can you not see this?

Some people don't realize history repeats itself.

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certain governments have shut down access to sites like Twitter to block the flow of information.
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I strongly disapprove of actions such as that, I want to make it clear I am not talking about removing freedom of speech for those who are speaking their minds only the pursuit of criminals.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin

certain governments have shut down access to sites like Twitter to block the flow of information.
I strongly disapprove of actions such as that, I want to make it clear I am not talking about removing freedom of speech for those who are speaking their minds only the pursuit of criminals.

Believe me, I hate to say it, but that's what happens. A little government control ALWAYS ends up being a LOT of government control.

Originally posted by petrus4
The other thing that is really making me angry about this thread, is that the attitude expressed by the OP and the other people who agree with him, is derived purely from cowardice and mind control.

As I've said, I'm not the most self-responsible person in existence myself, no. But at least I am aware on some level, that the more desirable outcome is more individual responsibility, not less.

I don't want to live in a world where the government treats everyone like toddlers. I don't want to live in a society of adult children, who rely on the government to protect them and do everything for them, because their own sense of basic self-worth is so completely non-existent, that they don't believe that they can do anything themselves.

I think people who are afraid to say who they are are the cowards.

I don't want to live in a world where criminals have free reign to do with they want under anonymity.

Yes some factions of governments are corrupt..so what is the answer, every citizen takes justice into their own hands? Is that how we adult children learn to protect ourselves and our loved ones?

What would you do personally if every penny in your bank account was drained, and there is no way they could track down it wasn't you, because after all they used your computer to do it? That's just one small example. How about one of your children goes missing, and somehow someone has tracked pics of them being abused online? How do you deal with finding where they are, and who is responsible? How would you look for them?

Originally posted by WhisperingWinds

I think people who are afraid to say who they are are the cowards.

REALLY? So then, your real name is whispering winds? Or, are you an admitted coward?????

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by WhisperingWinds

I think people who are afraid to say who they are are the cowards.

REALLY? So then, your real name is whispering winds? Or, are you an admitted coward?????

I'm not talking about discussions on a forum such as this, but I would have no problem with registering my real name with administration, for security purposes.

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I understand your argument and you do make some valid points. However, there is one thing you say in your OP that I would ask that you reconsider again.

The argument that to police the internet is to infringe on the civil liberties of the innocent, whilst true is also the greatest form of protection for the criminal fraternity who seek to use the internet for their lawless acts.

So you feel it is ok to infringe on the civil liberties of innocent people as a means to provide security to catch the minority? If this logic makes sense to you, why not just apply it to all aspects of criminal behavior? People rob banks and stores, why not have police pat down every person who attempts to enter one. After all, we may pat down a million people but you MIGHT catch one with a firearm who was planning to rob the store.

Regarding the crimes against children, people need to teach their children how to remain safe on the internet. And teach their children not to inflict harm on others over the internet. When the internet first started gaining popularity people were quite nervous regarding the hazards their children might encounter online and hovering over them to ensure their safety or installing programs such as netnanny to control what their children had access to online and monitor their usage, once the internet exploded in usage and popularity to the point of becoming a household norm (just as common as a television in most homes) and people became comfortable with it and even started to depend on it, parents also became more comfortable with their children accessing it and more lax compared to their former diligence in actively protecting their children online until things eventually reached the point where we are now a time when children using the internet is so commonplace that for many parents it it raises little more concern than their child watching cartoons on the TV, and now if or when their child encounters something online that frightens the parents they very commonly react by calling the police, going to the courts or even contacting the media demanding that somebody do something do something to protect their child online such as attempting to have the offensive site taken down, or forcing the owner of the site to find a way to restrict their child's ability to access the site. This only addressees the issue after the fact, after th damage is done. Parents need to understand that just that just because all kids use the internet these days and it is so commonplace is no reason to believe it's any safer for their children now than it was back in those early days, they need to teach them how to protect themselves online.and also not to intentionally hurt others online either.

And as we are hearing more and more about sexting, and for those parents of young teen girls who with easy access to a web cam might find themselves tempted or encouraged by some cute guy online to take a revealing pic of themselves and share it online before they have the chance to end up in that position, a very effective deterrent is to explain to them that once they put something online like that they no longer have control over where it ends up....and tell her something like "you know your Dad uses the internet too, can him searching for something and having a revealing picture of you...his daughter pop up on the screen" it would just not be good for either of you. My daughter was mortified at the thought....it works quite well :L)

This will only publicly sacrifice the argument US uses as mantra against China, Iran, Russia and others.

The UK is almost if not already there. US is just doing it covertly, but it's pretty much an open secret.

How do they want people to follow the law when it's broken and abused?

African country Ethiopia just stated anyone using Skype will get upto 15 years in jail.

I do believe a certain amount of anonymity is fine on the net, and I'm not expecting that everyone throw personal information out there, because that is part of the problem.

What I would like to see, is more measures taken against those who have the skills to highjack computers and systems, and use this skill to commit crimes.

It's so easy to steal information these days even from credit card scanners, and its getting ridiculous.

I'm probably incorrect by assuming that taking away anonymity will change things, but there has to be a better way to track those who know how to fly under the radar, when scamming,and other type crimes.

I don't want everyone to give up their right to privacy, but at the same time, I really want organized criminals on the net stopped..somehow, or even those who are dangerous to others and do not work within organized crime.

Originally posted by Pixiefyre
Regarding the crimes against children, people need to teach their children how to remain safe on the internet. And teach their children not to inflict harm on others over the internet. When the internet first started gaining popularity people were quite nervous regarding the hazards their children might encounter online and hovering over them to ensure their safety or installing programs such as netnanny to control what their children had access to online and monitor their usage, once the internet exploded in usage and popularity to the point of becoming a household norm (just as common as a television in most homes) and people became comfortable with it and even started to depend on it, parents also became more comfortable with their children accessing it and more lax compared to their former diligence in actively protecting their children online until things eventually reached the point where we are now a time when children using the internet is so commonplace that for many parents it it raises little more concern than their child watching cartoons on the TV, and now if or when their child encounters something online that frightens the parents they very commonly react by calling the police, going to the courts or even contacting the media demanding that somebody do something do something to protect their child online such as attempting to have the offensive site taken down, or forcing the owner of the site to find a way to restrict their child's ability to access the site. This only addressees the issue after the fact, after th damage is done. Parents need to understand that just that just because all kids use the internet these days and it is so commonplace is no reason to believe it's any safer for their children now than it was back in those early days, they need to teach them how to protect themselves online.and also not to intentionally hurt others online either.

And as we are hearing more and more about sexting, and for those parents of young teen girls who with easy access to a web cam might find themselves tempted or encouraged by some cute guy online to take a revealing pic of themselves and share it online before they have the chance to end up in that position, a very effective deterrent is to explain to them that once they put something online like that they no longer have control over where it ends up....and tell her something like "you know your Dad uses the internet too, can him searching for something and having a revealing picture of you...his daughter pop up on the screen" it would just not be good for either of you. My daughter was mortified at the thought....it works quite well :L)

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There are many crimes against children on the net, that don't involve what you are talking about. Children can get swiped off the street walking to a friends house, and end up in some basement dungeon used as "entertainment" for certain groups of people on the internet who get off on watching children suffer. Or they can be be abused or manipulated into sex in situations while being filmed, and then it is shared with others online.

police the internet?

or learn to POLICE YOURSELVES?

I am from the U.S. and heaven forbid that I should have to follow the laws created by some other country regarding the internet. Could you imagine China controlled everyone internet? Make laws in your your own county for your own people regarding the internet, as long as it doesn't affect me. A global agency policing the internet? Hell no!
Also, I don't think the U.S. should have any control over what happens on the internet in other countries, and it saddens me that it happens.
Personally I will continue to fight against American laws regarding the internet. We already have vigilantes that go go after sexual predators. A kidnapped child whose pictures are posed on the internet isn't an internet crime at all but a crime for the local police to handle, just like they do with any child that is kidnapped. Yes, it sucks that these images get put on the internet, but it is not taking place on the internet, it is taking place in the real world and being posted on the internet. It needs to be dealt with in the real world.

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The world is full of criminals (in RL), so should we all be monitored then?
It makes no sense to monitor the Internet, just as it makes no sense to monitor us in our daily lives. If a crime is committed on the Internet it should be reported and dealt with, if & when it happens.

The internet has been a curse from day one in my opinion.Its time to do something about the it and remember,you have no right to be on the internet because it was given to you by others in the first place.