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Why America Is Doomed And Why The World Hates America.

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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 08:43 AM
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I'm sorry I was confused.
I saw Hate in the title of the thread and thought that you were the one hating.
my bad.

and again. If america is doomed so is the rest of the world.
If we are staying on topic.
So talk about that some.




posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by Germanicus

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman

Originally posted by Germanicus
State Capitalism on the other hand is far more sensible. It protects the people and the state from the greedy corporatists and bankers.


I still don't know what you mean by "State Capitalism". Could you explain?


Its pretty much a hybrid. A mixture of socialism and capitalism. You still get a free market and wealth but the state protects state assets and resources through nationalizing them. It is the best of both worlds.





Originally posted by Germanicus
I think State Capitalism has proven that corporatist america does not work. China is the clear winner. Pure capitalism turned into corporatism.

State Capitalism is the future for the world. It is sensible.




Originally posted by Germanicus
Captalism does not work. It always turns into corporatism. It failed.

State Capitalism on the other hand is far more sensible. It protects the people and the state from the greedy corporatists and bankers.

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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
Its pretty much a hybrid. A mixture of socialism and capitalism. You still get a free market and wealth but the state protects state assets and resources through nationalizing them. It is the best of both worlds.


Oh. You mean like this then:

People's Republic of China

n this system, governments use various kinds of state-owned companies to manage the exploitation of resources that they consider the state's crown jewels and to create and maintain large numbers of jobs. They use select privately owned companies to dominate certain economic sectors. They use so-called sovereign wealth funds to invest their extra cash in ways that maximize the state's profits. In all three cases, the state is using markets to create wealth that can be directed as political officials see fit. And in all three cases, the ultimate motive is not economic (maximizing growth) but political (maximizing the state's power and the leadership's chances of survival). This is a form of capitalism but one in which the state acts as the dominant economic player and uses markets primarily for political gain.


Ok. So, how is the state revenue spent? To maximize the power of the state. Once the power of the state is unrivaled, what then? To maintain the unrivaled power of the state.

Tell me again how this is different from any other historical superpower/dynasty/empire - including the United States.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by grey580
reply to post by Germanicus
 


I'm sorry I was confused.
I saw Hate in the title of the thread and thought that you were the one hating.
my bad.

and again. If america is doomed so is the rest of the world.
If we are staying on topic.
So talk about that some.


China did well out of the last GFC. They will do better this time.

And I dont mind if you digress a little. Personal attacks and pure trolling are a problem though.

And no, I do not hate America. Many do though. Google anti-americanism in the west. And there is good reason. Just like the guy was saying in the extext.
I do hate your government though. I cant believe they are all so passive when everything is so urgent. I cant believe there is no third party option. Europe is turning away from the major parties. Why the heck arent they?
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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 09:10 AM
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G

It always seems to be the same talking points. Mix it up a bit. I challenge you to make a positive thread.


I read today that the return of the Drachma would be the beginning of the end for the Euro. That it would have a domino effect across Europe leading to a stronger US dollar.

Personally, I think that a stronger dollar would be temporary, and the crash would extend across the globe, to include the BRICs as the world’s economies are all interconnected.

If war doesn’t break out (which always seems to happen in events such as this), it will still be a rough decade or two as the playing field is leveled out.

I see you keep talking about the Chinese starting their own Reserve currency. Forgive my ignorance, but we see how that is playing out here in the US. Why wouldn’t the same thing happen in China?



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 09:10 AM
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It does not matter. The United States has failed.

The world will not wait.

We do not need America.

America is dead weight.

The US Government will not stop overspending. The waste in the US is incredible. The economy is like tullip mania. The dollar is overvalued. The whole economy is inflated. The US is not really the largest economy in the world. Take away the reserve status and they collapse. They are a military and consumers spending an inflated dollar. The capital is in the East.

So why should the world continue to prop the US up? Greece is not the problem.

The world is done with the US and their overspending amongst other things. Having the reserve has allowed the US to print money. The rest of us have to manage our economies. The United States went mental. They have allowed corporatists to destroy their economy and the west.

Its time to let the East take a turn. They are ready. The BRICS are the power.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 09:16 AM
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I believe this argument is familiar. Yep. Definitely ending in "I know you are but what am I?"

Thanks for addressing what myself and others pointed out about your flawed position. Oh wait, you didn't.

Yep...



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 09:19 AM
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I think it is wishful thinking to expect the USD to get mych of a boost from the collapse of the Euro. It will not be good for US Banks.

The US is also in no position to take advantage of the collapse in the Euro where as the Asains are. I see the collapse of the Euro as being good for the BRICS Bank and the BRICS nations. I think it will be very bad for the US.

And I will do a happy thread. I have done one about why I like America.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 09:24 AM
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www.thenational.ae...


Brazil, Russia, India and China are slugging it out for the title of global economic superpower. So who will win the battle of the Brics?

Despite the hype, these emerging heavyweights have been looking a little shaky lately. Over the past 12 months, share prices in Brazil, India and China plunged by about 25 per cent, according to the MSCI Emerging Markets Index. The Indian stock market fell nearly 30 per cent.

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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
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It does not matter. The United States has failed.

The world will not wait.

We do not need America.

America is dead weight.


I'm just wondering how you could think that China taking over will be better than it is now. You've said that it would be but you haven't answered my questions on how. You just keep saying that America is done for and that the rest of the world doesn't need America. If what you've said before on this thread, that you don't hate America just the situation that you view as America's doing, is true, then please tell me how the Chinese form of "State Capitalism" is better given what we know of historical empires.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 09:34 AM
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America has no money. They borrow from China.

Nuff said.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
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America has no money. They borrow from China.

Nuff said.


Actually, they give them paper for tangible goods. If China wants to spend their wealth, it will effectively make what they hold onto worthless.

It's just not as cut and dry as you would like to make it out to be.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
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America has no money. They borrow from China.

Nuff said.


You don't know, do you? You just want a change and that is understandable. I'm tired of it all too but I know enough not to naively think that the next superpower or economic model will be any different.

I'm right back to my initial warning... be careful what you wish for.
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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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Alliances are always on shaky ground. Even if the BRICs would emerge as top dog, it would only be a matter of time when they would start in-fighting. Heck, it’s already happening.

Also, when currencies collapse, there are always individual winners. Just look at George Soros.

A lot of jobs are returning to the US as the various Corporations return to their country of origin. Oh, they aren’t paying like they used to under Union rule, but they are still paying a livable wage.

The more this trend continues, the stronger the dollar will be.

Remember, it doesn’t take long to destroy something but it takes a hell of a long time to fix or rebuild it.

I would say that the average US citizen’s worse enemy is not some terrorist or China or the boogyman under the bed, but their own 30-second mentality.

But it is improving as hard times have a tendency to make people wake up and focus. As said previously…it’s a cycle.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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What does "step down as a superpower" mean? Your entire OP is nothing but you following the opinions of others. Not a single original thought of your own.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Germanicus

Originally posted by boncho
America isn't doomed and it makes no sense asking for a new superpower to take control or dominate world matters. It's not as if the next one would be any less corrupt or any less caring about public opinion throughout every nation. In fact, the majority of them would be worse.


The world had given up on the US. They are irrisponsible. They are lazy and incompetent. Look at their economy. They refuse to fix it. They continue to overspend.

It is out of our hands anyway. The onlt thing saving the US is having the reserve. When the USD is unseated the US will collapse.
form the far flung continent of Australia comes a visionary ecomonic/political historian and prognosticator. A sage, a wit a true genius!

Oh, it's also where that Germanicus guy is from.

Germanicus, you are young and well intentioned. But, you do seem to have an agenda based on an extreme bias. What you are doing and the way your going about it is America bashing. You need to step back and engage more in the real world around you. Like I said in a earlier response to another post. You are not American, You are Australian. You can never have the same perspectives and experiences of one of us anymore than I could expect to relate to your nation as a native Australian.
American and Americans are diverse and resilient. Made up of all cultures and races. Regardless of your veiw, even if your correct, American will never go away. We, the citizens, will adapt, overcome, and improve after the crooks are gone and the USD does whatever it's going to do.

And by the way this is a world problem created by the corporations and ultra-wealthy not an American only thing.

Think of something happy young man! or Stimpy will make you wear the happy hat


your friend, grubblesnert



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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I wanted to post this.
China Disaster



There is a big problem in China now. Pollution.
Beware G. China might want to be your friend to take over your pristine lands.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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So basically this is all whining that America doesn't do things like Europe does.

The point of America was to do things differently than Europe does.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 01:18 PM
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If Australia wants to end an alliance, I believe they will have to either convince their monarch or alternatively break away from the monarchy.

Essentially the Queen is the head of state of all Commonwealth nations.

This is a basic legal fact.

Elizabeth II (Elizabeth Alexandra Mary; born 21 April 1926[note 1]) is the constitutional monarch of 16 sovereign states known as the Commonwealth realms, and head of the 54-member Commonwealth of Nations. She is also head of state of the Crown dependencies and British Overseas Territories. She is Supreme Governor of the Church of England and in many of her realms carries the title Defender of the Faith.


wiki

That means our opinion doesn't matter since the people are but a subject to the monarch, who is the only one with an opinion that actually matters legally.

I don't see Aus rejecting the monarch any time soon (in mass), so I guess they better get used to being allied with their fellow sibling, the USA. Our roots both come from the same place anyways...

I don't "like it" either...but I am stating the facts of why it is so.
We have to face that.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by grey580
I wanted to post this.
China Disaster



There is a big problem in China now. Pollution.
Beware G. China might want to be your friend to take over your pristine lands.



Yes I feel horrible about what has happened to China.

It was one of the most beautiful landscapes in the whole of Earth. Parts of it still are surely, but many parts of it are now cesspits. It is pitiful.

It's not all their faults see, because we the consumers demand this behavior to meet our economic desires. It's a problem that we can blame collectively on our society itself.




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