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The UFO-shaped object found at the bottom of the Baltic Sea... covered in soot, with 'little firepl

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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 04:09 AM
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Flatish circular object entered atmosphere and came in hot (refer to War of the Worlds classic version). Flatish circular object hit the eart and skidded. The earth where circular object hit and came to a stop was covered in dense flora. Object burrowed under this plant material. Circular object smoldered creating "soot"
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If this was the case then there would be evidence in the geology of the Baltic area in the rock strata. An object that size would have been a very big deal... The object would have lost a lot of mass when entering the atmosphere.. The fact that we have a largely "Intact" object would suggest something a LOT bigger.. On crashing it would impact a very large area leaving evidence.. Maybe they should look in the rock strata too to rule it out??..

If there is no evidence in the stata then we are left with a man made settlement.. An igneous intrusion.. Or something intelligently crash landed under control...??





posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 04:13 AM
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This is x-posted from another thread concerning the same object. A user named AndyMayhew and I were discussing this, and as he pointed out:

"One possibility: it's a natural rock outcrop scoured by glaciers during the Ice Age (a roche moutonee) which remained a prominent feature in the area after the glaciers retreated but before sea levels rose and became some sort of 'ritual' site or just a convenient place to camp for early humans - hence the 'camp fires'? "

We discussed the idea that the carving on the floor could be the result of a glacial expansion or regression, which could also explain how the object came to be where it is. Further, quoting myself now, "It's also important to note that none of these discoverers appear to be scientists, at least in fields that would shed light on what this is. (Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.) They even describe themselves as "laymen [who] can only speculate" what the object is. They appear to be shipwreck junkers and treasure hunters, and the object was only discovered because they were trying to find and salvage a WWI era shipwreck."

Credit to user starchild10 for the following link:
abcnews.go.com...

If you watch the video embedded in the bottom of the ABC article you'll find the discoverers are trying to get a tv deal out of the experience, so I'm not sure how trustworthy they are. Real scientists should explore this.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 04:23 AM
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"One possibility: it's a natural rock outcrop scoured by glaciers during the Ice Age (a roche moutonee) which remained a prominent feature in the area after the glaciers retreated but before sea levels rose and became some sort of 'ritual' site or just a convenient place to camp for early humans - hence the 'camp fires'? " We discussed the idea that the carving on the floor could be the result of a glacial expansion or regression, which could also explain how the object came to be where it is.
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Very good post...

Certainly makes more sense than anything else.. Would explain the none sedimentary aspect of it, symmetrical breaking of the rock type (Crystal fractalization) ...

But does not explain the "runway"..... Which is more indicative of a meteor strike...



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 05:45 AM
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Originally posted by EvanB



Flatish circular object entered atmosphere and came in hot (refer to War of the Worlds classic version). Flatish circular object hit the eart and skidded. The earth where circular object hit and came to a stop was covered in dense flora. Object burrowed under this plant material. Circular object smoldered creating "soot"
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If this was the case then there would be evidence in the geology of the Baltic area in the rock strata. An object that size would have been a very big deal... The object would have lost a lot of mass when entering the atmosphere.. The fact that we have a largely "Intact" object would suggest something a LOT bigger.. On crashing it would impact a very large area leaving evidence.. Maybe they should look in the rock strata too to rule it out??..



You are assuming an uncontrolled decent at perhaps 10 kilometers per second (22000 mph) or more. The skin of the SR 71 would approach 1000 degrees F and it flew at what? under 2000 mph?. I know it sounds campy but have you seen the original War of the Worlds? There are scenes of these objects descending, hitting the earth and skidding to a stop. They end up covered in earth and plant matter and they sit there and smolder. Imagine an object in a controlled or semi controlled descent not unlike a crash landing SR 71 only made of much more rugged material. In this scenario there is no loss of mass and no huge crater as would be the case with a meteorite, but you can still end up with a very hot outer skin.



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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 06:08 AM
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Hi everyone this is my very first post so please be gentle haha. I read the whole article from the link and i find it very interesting and it sways from 1 idea to the other and i was wondering why it wasn't covered more on the TV across here in the UK but im gona keep an eye out for it



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by stumason
Who know's, but I am putting good money on it being a human made object if it is found not to be natural.


 


could you define the example you made

It is not a 'Morton Fork' ...which is 2 equally bad choices
nor is it a Dilemma..........which is two equal choices
nor is it 'Hobson's Choice' = something or nothing


~obviously man made if not natural~ is the meaning i guess...is this a paradox or something?or am i just showing my mental incomprehension



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 06:45 AM
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what if its nuclear weapon gone wrong, covered it in concrete or some other material. They got the tools these days to find out whats what, i mean if they can tell you whats what on mars using a single rover/machine then im sure they can quickly identify this. if they were as execited about this as they say they are, they would have found out what it was by now, but they just creating hype, getting attention, fans, its good promotion for them that all, its been well thought out.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 06:46 AM
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Originally posted by HomerinNC
this is currently being investigated, it was discovered to be some kind of underwater mushroom


There is a difference between reading and understanding.

"divers compared it to the shape of a mushroom"

Does that mean it is a mushroom? No ...

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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 06:47 AM
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If it landed as you say but is a natural object then maybe the angle of entry could be a fluke??? I doubt it.. It would most certainly have to be intelligently crash landed to produce what you say...

However..

As the investigation team is not a scientific but salvage team, and there are TV rights, maybe it is just all hype??



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 06:56 AM
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You're trying to be to clever for your own good! Given what has been discussed, there would appear to be three choices here:

Man Made
Natural
Little Grey/Green/Blue men who always seem to have trouble flying their spaceships.

I only subscribe to two being possible, hence my choice.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 07:00 AM
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Very interesting, and I happy that there's more updated info about this find after the first thread. I hope with all my heart that they will share with us if they can get to the inside and find something interesting.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by EvanB

Originally posted by HomerinNC
this is currently being investigated, it was discovered to be some kind of underwater mushroom


I thought Han Solo had ditched in the Baltic...


That would explain bigfoot...



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by Manhater
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If it's a plug to the underworld.

I hope they open it.


They can not pull the plug.

The whole ocean would dry up.

Or may be this is the pit spoken of in the bible.

The one that has the demons in it.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 09:04 AM
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The natural history of the Baltic Sea area seems to argue against the circular object, or anything associated with it, being man made. The sea level was evidently low enough to put this site on dry land from about 13,000 to 27,000 years ago. During this same period, All of Scandinavia was covered over with a thick ice cap. Not at all hospitable to human life.
***** I doubt that that this object is a volcanic or geothermal feature. There are apparently no known instances of these in Sweden, not even hot springs.
***** This could be a mineral incrusted object, nature unknown, of roughly the same shape as it appears to be; a round, domed form, with the bottom edge turned in, giving rise to the metaphor of a mushroom cap. It could also be a boulder of sandstone or other sedimentary rock, probably transported by glacier and dumped into the sea as these retreated at the end of the last ice age. The bottom edge could have been eroded by current-borne sediments, though this is somewhat questionable, due to the apparent weakness of currents in the Baltic Sea. This could also give the visual impression reported, in this case erroneous, of an object with an elliptical cross section in the vertical plane, lying mostly exposed on the sea floor
*****The proportions given for the object- - approximately 200 feet in diameter and 10 to 13 feet high suggest a remarkably flat object, assuming most of it is not buried under the sea floor. These proportions are nearly as flat as those of some coins. A quite odd shape for a boulder, or for a meteorite.
***** It will be very interesting to learn what scientific analysis of the material taken from the object will reveal about its nature.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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Interesting....

Sure - I hope it ends up to be some kind of outlandish discovery that challenges everything we thought we knew. (Such as being an alien space ship - or, perhaps more intriguing - a terrestrial ship from pre-history)... but I have to be realistic and say that it's likely got a much less... extravagant... explanation.

Being some kind of giant mushroom would still make it quite an interesting find. Fungi are a very interesting (and often under-appreciated) part of terrestrial life. Fungi are closer to animals in terms of cellular structure - but also have some plant-like properties (such as cell walls) that could open up some interesting avenues for genetic research (both with plants and animals - sure that makes the ATS crowd overjoyed).

Of course - I still hold out hope it will be that history-shattering discovery... but I'm willing to allow my imagination to explore less hyped possibilities.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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Thanks for bringing this to attention OP!


I think its pointless trying to debate it's a natural formation. That skid marks pretty self explanatory, what ever it is skidded to a halt.

Assuming large buildings don't just skid across the land, we can only assume its a space/water vechile


Depending how long its been there, affects how much rock/coral/crap might be layered on top.

The strange blaire witch rocks are clearly meaningful. At least, they're clearly not accidental.

Soot?! In the sea?! More strangeness!

If I was them, I'd take rock/soot samples, and drill down to see what its actually made of.

And what was that comment about an oval egg opening? Explore that more.

Wish they would hurry! I'm most curious!
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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 11:08 AM
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did they take any legit photos of this thing?

the first impression i got was,,,, they asked for,, recieved and used a ton of money to go down there and check this out,,, they made a lot of buzz about it........ they went down there and couldnt tell everyone they only found a bunch of rocks...... soo..... yea it looks like there are rocks in the shape of a fireplace,, so maybe it is a ufo.....



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 11:10 AM
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You're making the (enormous) assumption that it is a "skid mark" to begin with, so it is foolish to assume it is any kind of vehicle at all. Sonar images can be interpreted in many ways and until someone who knows what they're looking at actually reports on it, assuming it is a skid mark is daft.

After all, in a proper scientific study, you don't go into it with pre-conceived idea's and rule out others completely. You have to be open to any idea that fits the observable data. Yes, it could be a skid mark, but it could equally be a geological formation or man-made ramp/path or anything else for that matter.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 11:11 AM
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The Daily Mail is carrying the first images they have released, of you want to have a look.

Ain't much to talk about at the moment though.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 11:14 AM
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Maybe this is an ancient Vahama/Vinama craft from the great war spoken of in ancient texts?

Possibly ancient human in origin...




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