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Woman Sues City of Tulsa For Cutting Down Her Edible Garden

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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 08:07 PM
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And what ad hominem is it you are accusing me of?




posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Furbs
 


And what ad hominem is it you are accusing me of?



Originally posted by TKDRL
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I hope you will oneday grow out of your stupor.


Are you a liar?


Two here will do nicely.

I informed you that statutes are laws and linked to the appropriate information, your reply was to ask if I was a liar and to infer that I needed grow out of a stupor.

Pretty much a textbook example.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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The only card I've got to give is a get well card. I hope you'll shake off that fever and get well real soon. Drink lots of water ~ just not the kind your city ordinances call for.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by frazzle
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The only card I've got to give is a get well card. I hope you'll shake off that fever and get well real soon. Drink lots of water ~ just not the kind your city ordinances call for.



More ad hominem. This time in the form of "I hope you'll shake off that fever and get well real soon."

Nice chatting with you folks, I hope someone learned something.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 08:28 PM
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I did. I learned that Furbs is a statist who does not approve of those who question authority.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by frazzle

However, as I said, it is the law of the land.


Wow, flashback to 1930's Germany. It vass der law of der mudderland to eliminate Jews, Gypsies and other undesirables.


Let me familiarize you with a rhetorical rule of sorts that can be good to follow when debating an issue.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by frazzle

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by TKDRL
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No, the only thing the "city" has behind them is the taxpayers money. If these scumbags had to pay the liars themself, it would be a much different story.


These scumbags are put into office by the taxpayers. If the scumbags didn't have the votes and support of the public, they wouldn't be in office.


Back to what I was saying a page or so ago about the chambers of commerce. Try winning a local election without the chamber on your side. It won't happen.


I was elected mayor of my hometown when I was 18 years old and still in High School.


what state?


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 08:30 PM
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When I say "liar" I mean lawyer. They are one in the same. Our lawyers speak another language. Anyone with any knowledge of the law knows this. That is why a law dictionary exists. So again, what "law" is it that you assume I am breaking?



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by frazzle

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Furbs
 


No, the only thing the "city" has behind them is the taxpayers money. If these scumbags had to pay the liars themself, it would be a much different story.


These scumbags are put into office by the taxpayers. If the scumbags didn't have the votes and support of the public, they wouldn't be in office.


Back to what I was saying a page or so ago about the chambers of commerce. Try winning a local election without the chamber on your side. It won't happen.


I was elected mayor of my hometown when I was 18 years old and still in High School.


what state?


en.wikipedia.org...


Holy Cow.. I had no idea I was even on that list!!



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by frazzle
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I did. I learned that Furbs is a statist who does not approve of those who question authority.


Then you are jumping to conclusions that aren't supported by the information presented.

Understanding law is not approval of the system.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Furbs
 


When I say "liar" I mean lawyer. They are one in the same. Our lawyers speak another language. Anyone with any knowledge of the law knows this. That is why a law dictionary exists. So again, what "law" is it that you assume I am breaking?


Edit: Nevermind. You are nonsensical at this point.
edit on 17-6-2012 by Furbs because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by frazzle
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I did. I learned that Furbs is a statist who does not approve of those who question authority.


Then you are jumping to conclusions that aren't supported by the information presented.

Understanding law is not approval of the system.


What kinds of things do you do to change the system?

Maybe this Tulsa woman could get you to represent her pro bono? Wait, that probably wouldn't be a good idea.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by frazzle

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by Furbs
 


I did. I learned that Furbs is a statist who does not approve of those who question authority.


Then you are jumping to conclusions that aren't supported by the information presented.

Understanding law is not approval of the system.


What kinds of things do you do to change the system?

Maybe this Tulsa woman could get you to represent her pro bono? Wait, that probably wouldn't be a good idea.


I vote.
I sign petitions.
I donate my time to political causes I personally support.
I give money when I can.
I don't make more than 35k a year so I get all of my federal income taxes back so nothing goes to the war effort.
I drive a Nissan Leaf so as not to give any money to Big Oil.
I am a vegan and do not support machine farming.

The list can go on if you want it to. I am happy to continue this in u2u as I am not interested in derailing the thread any more defending against ad hominem.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 09:08 PM
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I vote.
I sign petitions.
I donate my time to political causes I personally support.
I give money when I can.
I don't make more than 35k a year so I get all of my federal income taxes back so nothing goes to the war effort.
I drive a Nissan Leaf so as not to give any money to Big Oil.
I am a vegan and do not support machine farming.

The list can go on if you want it to. I am happy to continue this in u2u as I am not interested in derailing the thread any more defending against ad hominem.


Its not necessary to go on, I get the point. My question to you is, then, have you seen your efforts having any impact on the direction this country or your local area is going? Powerful hands have taken the reins federally, statewise and in even in the smallest towns. None of what we can do as individuals has any effect, only groups such as ngos who actually do have plans and end goals can make changes ~ and often not good ones for us.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by frazzle

I vote.
I sign petitions.
I donate my time to political causes I personally support.
I give money when I can.
I don't make more than 35k a year so I get all of my federal income taxes back so nothing goes to the war effort.
I drive a Nissan Leaf so as not to give any money to Big Oil.
I am a vegan and do not support machine farming.

The list can go on if you want it to. I am happy to continue this in u2u as I am not interested in derailing the thread any more defending against ad hominem.


Its not necessary to go on, I get the point. My question to you is, then, have you seen your efforts having any impact on the direction this country or your local area is going? Powerful hands have taken the reins federally, statewise and in even in the smallest towns. None of what we can do as individuals has any effect, only groups such as ngos who actually do have plans and end goals can make changes ~ and often not good ones for us.


As I am done entertaining this off topic chatter inside of the thread, I will leave you with this as an answer to your question. It is up to you to decide how it applies.

“If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. … We need not wait to see what others do.”

- Gandhi.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 09:28 PM
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As I am done entertaining this off topic chatter inside of the thread, I will leave you with this as an answer to your question. It is up to you to decide how it applies.

“If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. … We need not wait to see what others do.”

- Gandhi.



When you find yourself sitting in your car helplessly watching as city workers destroy your property, your work and your livelihood, then you will know what your own off-topic feel-good Gandhi chatter is worth.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by jude11


This is just another case of saying "You are not allowed to grow your own food". You will eat what we allow you to eat and you will pay OUR prices...or starve.



Do you REALLY think that's the case here, and not that someone filed a complaint, and the city workers are idiots?

Because I know TONS of people who grow food in the states. The 'government' ha never prevented them fro doing so.

Heck, a buddy of mine recently got a grant from the USDA to build new greenhouses on his land.
edit on 16-6-2012 by stanguilles7 because: (no reason given)


Really... I know plenty of people, myself included, who grow their own vegetables/fruit in their backyard, or even front, and the government doesn't come cutting our stuff down or anything. They've actually been pretty helpful for a neighbor when some neighborhood kids vandalized their front yard plants. Or maybe myself and everyone I know are having our gardens secretly sprayed at night by the government, hell bent on giving us sicknesses, mind controlling chemicals or whatever other evil thing they do.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 09:51 PM
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We appear to be saying the same thing, no?



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 10:05 PM
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This woman should have pulled a gun on those phantom government workers.

If she has the right to appeal in court, then the government has the right to get the **** off of her property until things are settled within that court.

Disgusting pigs, doing whatever master commands. They'd do us all a service by dropping off of the face of the Earth.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by ManiShuck

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by jude11


This is just another case of saying "You are not allowed to grow your own food". You will eat what we allow you to eat and you will pay OUR prices...or starve.



Do you REALLY think that's the case here, and not that someone filed a complaint, and the city workers are idiots?

Because I know TONS of people who grow food in the states. The 'government' ha never prevented them fro doing so.

Heck, a buddy of mine recently got a grant from the USDA to build new greenhouses on his land.
edit on 16-6-2012 by stanguilles7 because: (no reason given)


Really... I know plenty of people, myself included, who grow their own vegetables/fruit in their backyard, or even front, and the government doesn't come cutting our stuff down or anything. They've actually been pretty helpful for a neighbor when some neighborhood kids vandalized their front yard plants. Or maybe myself and everyone I know are having our gardens secretly sprayed at night by the government, hell bent on giving us sicknesses, mind controlling chemicals or whatever other evil thing they do.


"Oh hey, the government doesn't do this to me, so they must not do it to anybody."

Wrong.



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