reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
Thanks! I do wish this thread keeps going because this is a major topic a lot of people are concerned about. I'll change my tune immediately if
someone like Dr. Michio Kaku gets on TV and says O.K. we now know with certainty that we are in a binary star system and the other star is inbound so
get prepared to go underground because this is potentially an extinction level event. So like, if Kaku and a couple of other respected astrophysicists
will come forward, then that will be good enough for me.
I believe that someone of the stature of Dr. Kaku cannot be muzzled by any government coverups. That's not how Kaku and Hawking operate. The
government agencies I would agree, yes, they could be muzzled, but not university department endowed chairs at the top of their field. I know it's
maybe more fun to think all scientists can be embargoed from talking, but I just don't think so. The exception would be a wartime situation like the
development of atomic weapons during WWII. Even then, Einstein wrote and spoke openly about the possibility of atomic weapons being developed. He
didn't say we were doing it, but just that the concept is possible. In the case of Wormwood/Nibiru, no credentialed scientist is saying it is even
possible.
Nibiru and the Anunnaki, page 4
reply posted on 21-6-2012 @ 12:37 PM by PlanetXisHERE
Originally posted by switching yard
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
Thanks! I do wish this thread keeps going because this is a major topic a lot of people are concerned about. I'll change my tune immediately if someone like Dr. Michio Kaku gets on TV and says O.K. we now know with certainty that we are in a binary star system and the other star is inbound so get prepared to go underground because this is potentially an extinction level event. So like, if Kaku and a couple of other respected astrophysicists will come forward, then that will be good enough for me.
I believe that someone of the stature of Dr. Kaku cannot be muzzled by any government coverups. That's not how Kaku and Hawking operate. The government agencies I would agree, yes, they could be muzzled, but not university department endowed chairs at the top of their field. I know it's maybe more fun to think all scientists can be embargoed from talking, but I just don't think so. The exception would be a wartime situation like the development of atomic weapons during WWII. Even then, Einstein wrote and spoke openly about the possibility of atomic weapons being developed. He didn't say we were doing it, but just that the concept is possible. In the case of Wormwood/Nibiru, no credentialed scientist is saying it is even possible.
Hypothetically speaking because I know you do not believe in this Planet X talk, IF we are in a binary star system, which the majority of star systems appear to be (despite recent disinformation on such), do you think it is more likely that our binary other star is fixed and that the hypothetical rogue planet is orbiting both, or that the hypothetical rogue planet is the binary star and orbiting in an elongated elliptical orbit around the Sun? If the latter could the orbiting dwarf star be orbiting a black hole at the other end point of it's orbit?
reply posted on 21-6-2012 @ 01:19 PM by switching yard
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
I've seen the diagrams and most, if not all, the YouTube videos. I still watch every update by ursuadams and lucus just to see what they're proposing, so here's what I surmise...
if these theorists are correct, there is a miniature solar system comprised of either a white dwarf, red dwarf or brown dwarf accompanied by planets and moons in orbit around this small star and that whole system is now on a path to go around our sun and then into our inner solar system causing mass die offs from natural disasters and a physical pole shift in which the Earth tilts severely on its axis. All this may include visits from extraterrestrials called the Annunaki. Some say the star is spewing massive amounts of red oxide particles which make it look from Earth as if it has wings. Archeologist and linguist Zacharia Sitchen (now deceased) interpreted Sumerian tablets to say that mankind is the result of DNA manipulation performed by the Annunaki (extraterrestrials) and they and their planet are now due to return. The other main element in the story is a belief by some people (not scientists) that the Mayan long count calendar ends on 12 December 2012 thus indicating the world will end or at least a new and different age will begin and the transition happening in December will be a radical evolution of human consciousness worldwide.
So in a paragraph, that's what I have seen as the widely held Nibiru story. Personally, I would be willing to believe all of it if real university professors come forth agreeing with Sitchen and showing us the facts supporting all of this. I don't necessarily believe what NASA or JPL say about it, but I would believe scientists at major universities.
Sitchen's work is very fascinating. He was just one scientist and he was not an astrophysicist. He had no formal training in astronomy. Had he obtained the support of highly esteemed astronomers, sure I would be on board.
I think that more research needs to be done regarding the ancient Sumerians, Mayans, Egyptians and other ancient cultures. They were obviously in some way capable of achieving 'wonders of the world' that could only be accomplished by sophisticated civilizations.
I've seen the diagrams and most, if not all, the YouTube videos. I still watch every update by ursuadams and lucus just to see what they're proposing, so here's what I surmise...
if these theorists are correct, there is a miniature solar system comprised of either a white dwarf, red dwarf or brown dwarf accompanied by planets and moons in orbit around this small star and that whole system is now on a path to go around our sun and then into our inner solar system causing mass die offs from natural disasters and a physical pole shift in which the Earth tilts severely on its axis. All this may include visits from extraterrestrials called the Annunaki. Some say the star is spewing massive amounts of red oxide particles which make it look from Earth as if it has wings. Archeologist and linguist Zacharia Sitchen (now deceased) interpreted Sumerian tablets to say that mankind is the result of DNA manipulation performed by the Annunaki (extraterrestrials) and they and their planet are now due to return. The other main element in the story is a belief by some people (not scientists) that the Mayan long count calendar ends on 12 December 2012 thus indicating the world will end or at least a new and different age will begin and the transition happening in December will be a radical evolution of human consciousness worldwide.
So in a paragraph, that's what I have seen as the widely held Nibiru story. Personally, I would be willing to believe all of it if real university professors come forth agreeing with Sitchen and showing us the facts supporting all of this. I don't necessarily believe what NASA or JPL say about it, but I would believe scientists at major universities.
Sitchen's work is very fascinating. He was just one scientist and he was not an astrophysicist. He had no formal training in astronomy. Had he obtained the support of highly esteemed astronomers, sure I would be on board.
I think that more research needs to be done regarding the ancient Sumerians, Mayans, Egyptians and other ancient cultures. They were obviously in some way capable of achieving 'wonders of the world' that could only be accomplished by sophisticated civilizations.
reply posted on 21-6-2012 @ 02:26 PM by stereologist
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
In other words you have faked the data or included issues not caused by other celestial obejcts
Weather is driven by th heat of the Sun, not other planets. Droughts, tornadoes, weather not due to another mass in the solar system
There are no record volcanoes or quakes. That is false.
Record crop devastation. That is false.
Floods are increasing due to the actions of people. Has been well documented.
Tides are not rising. They run a 19.6 year cycle.
The Moon is spot on. The Moon is exactly here it is and has been monitored with great precision for decades.
Solar flareas are not induced by a new mass.
Pipelines may rupture due to corrosion not a new planet in the solar system.
Meteor showers are not increasing.
Magnetic pole changes are due to events inside of the Earth, not exteral to the Earth.
Solar activity in general is not due to planets.
Cosmic rays originate outside of the solar system.
Bees die off all of the time. Has happened many times in history.
Fish and bird die offs are local events. I opened a thread on this and no one could explain why local events should be connected to a new planet.
Earthquakes are not correlated to other celestial objects other than a few low intensity quakles correlated with the Moon.
The Virginia fault has been active. It was not "awakened."
I opened a thread on sinkholes and no one could explain whhy they thought sinkholes were connected with celestial objects.
There are no giant rips in the Earth's crust.
Geysers are powered by geothermal energy, not external planets.
The sky sounds are not caused by an external planet. Many are hoaxes. A few are earthly caused.
No planet could transfer matter to Earth such as sulfur fuel unless that material reached escape velocity.
Storms on Jupiter are not increasing, but changes as they have. Saturn changes all of the time.
These are silly items except for floods. Yes floods are increasing due to deforestation, construction, poor agricultural practices and people moving into flood prone areas.
Geological and Meteorlogical:
Weather
Record Tornadoes
Record drought
Record volcanoes As many in one year now, as what use to be a decades total.
Record earthquakes
Record crop devastation
Floods
Tides are rising, and the moons orbit is off.
solar flares
pipelines all across the country ruptured
Meteor showers increasing.
Magnetic poles are shifting faster and faster
The Solar activity of the sun has changed dramatically
Cosmic ray intensity has increased dramatically
Bees are disappearing, and they navigate using a solar compass
Mass fish die offs
Mass bird deaths.
New fault lines awakened in Virginia, & Nevada to name a few.
Giant sink holes opening up all around the world.
The surface of the earth actually creating giant rips in the earths crust on the surface for all to see.
New geysers seen venting in California.
What sounds like horns blowing recorded in florida, Russia, etc.
The smells of sulfur or fuel being reported in many areas of the world, the latest reports in California.
Disturbances in our solar system with storms on Jupiter increasing, Saturn being altered.
In other words you have faked the data or included issues not caused by other celestial obejcts
Weather is driven by th heat of the Sun, not other planets. Droughts, tornadoes, weather not due to another mass in the solar system
There are no record volcanoes or quakes. That is false.
Record crop devastation. That is false.
Floods are increasing due to the actions of people. Has been well documented.
Tides are not rising. They run a 19.6 year cycle.
The Moon is spot on. The Moon is exactly here it is and has been monitored with great precision for decades.
Solar flareas are not induced by a new mass.
Pipelines may rupture due to corrosion not a new planet in the solar system.
Meteor showers are not increasing.
Magnetic pole changes are due to events inside of the Earth, not exteral to the Earth.
Solar activity in general is not due to planets.
Cosmic rays originate outside of the solar system.
Bees die off all of the time. Has happened many times in history.
Fish and bird die offs are local events. I opened a thread on this and no one could explain why local events should be connected to a new planet.
Earthquakes are not correlated to other celestial objects other than a few low intensity quakles correlated with the Moon.
The Virginia fault has been active. It was not "awakened."
I opened a thread on sinkholes and no one could explain whhy they thought sinkholes were connected with celestial objects.
There are no giant rips in the Earth's crust.
Geysers are powered by geothermal energy, not external planets.
The sky sounds are not caused by an external planet. Many are hoaxes. A few are earthly caused.
No planet could transfer matter to Earth such as sulfur fuel unless that material reached escape velocity.
Storms on Jupiter are not increasing, but changes as they have. Saturn changes all of the time.
These are silly items except for floods. Yes floods are increasing due to deforestation, construction, poor agricultural practices and people moving into flood prone areas.
reply posted on 21-6-2012 @ 02:37 PM by Xcalibur254
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
The majority of stars are not binary. From what we have found the most numerous stars in the universe are red dwarfs. These are much more likely to appear in single star systems. In our galactic neighborhood single star systems outnumber multi-star systems. On top of that, if a yellow dwarf, like our Sun, is in a multi-star system it is much more likely to be in a multi-star system with another yellow dwarf. If you're going to refer to any facts that don't support your worldview as disinformation then you have clearly illustrated that you are not interested in the truth.
However, even if none of this were true it still doesn't explain why we can't see Planet X/Nibiru if it's supposed to be here by the end of the year. There are thousands, if not millions, of telescopes pointed at the sky every night and not a single one has found this planet. Why? Also, I see you failed to explain how an approaching celestial body could cause all those things you ascribe to it.
The majority of stars are not binary. From what we have found the most numerous stars in the universe are red dwarfs. These are much more likely to appear in single star systems. In our galactic neighborhood single star systems outnumber multi-star systems. On top of that, if a yellow dwarf, like our Sun, is in a multi-star system it is much more likely to be in a multi-star system with another yellow dwarf. If you're going to refer to any facts that don't support your worldview as disinformation then you have clearly illustrated that you are not interested in the truth.
However, even if none of this were true it still doesn't explain why we can't see Planet X/Nibiru if it's supposed to be here by the end of the year. There are thousands, if not millions, of telescopes pointed at the sky every night and not a single one has found this planet. Why? Also, I see you failed to explain how an approaching celestial body could cause all those things you ascribe to it.
reply posted on 21-6-2012 @ 02:42 PM by Xcalibur254
reply to post by switching yard
Sitchin's window is actually almost a millennium long. He claimed that if it followed the 3,600 year cycle then it would return in 2900. However, he also said it's possible it could return between 2090 and 2400 (I think that's the right date). He did not make any claims about it and 2012. That stems entirely from Nancy Lieder, the same woman who made these same claims in 1997 and 2003 and who was just exposed as someone who falsifies data just so her followers continue to believe her.
Sitchin's window is actually almost a millennium long. He claimed that if it followed the 3,600 year cycle then it would return in 2900. However, he also said it's possible it could return between 2090 and 2400 (I think that's the right date). He did not make any claims about it and 2012. That stems entirely from Nancy Lieder, the same woman who made these same claims in 1997 and 2003 and who was just exposed as someone who falsifies data just so her followers continue to believe her.
reply posted on 21-6-2012 @ 02:42 PM by stereologist
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
When it comes to government actions these actions do not indicate an external planet to me. They could just:
1. disaster planning
2. legal requirements to protect the population
3. military planning
4. protecting agriculture
5. There is no giant underground facility under the DIA
6. Ex-presidents buying low lying properties means what?
7. Maintaining infrastructure means what?
8. Vatican library was closed for repairs - scheduled and reopened.
9. SPT is a radio telescope. sheesh
10. Yellowstone has had lots of quakes - small quakes.
11. Chemtrails don't exist. Astronomers would quickly detect any occluding materias in the air.
12. Media does not black out comet info - just no biggies since Hale-Bopp
13. Google has a stitching problem using OLD photos
The completely idiotic interpretation of seed banks as something sinister is so over the top it is not even funny.
Seed banks are owned by companies such as Burpee and Seeds of Change and others that want to continue to maintain
a great deal of biodiversity.
None of this suggests anything off the planet.
When it comes to government actions these actions do not indicate an external planet to me. They could just:
1. disaster planning
2. legal requirements to protect the population
3. military planning
4. protecting agriculture
5. There is no giant underground facility under the DIA
6. Ex-presidents buying low lying properties means what?
7. Maintaining infrastructure means what?
8. Vatican library was closed for repairs - scheduled and reopened.
9. SPT is a radio telescope. sheesh
10. Yellowstone has had lots of quakes - small quakes.
11. Chemtrails don't exist. Astronomers would quickly detect any occluding materias in the air.
12. Media does not black out comet info - just no biggies since Hale-Bopp
13. Google has a stitching problem using OLD photos
The completely idiotic interpretation of seed banks as something sinister is so over the top it is not even funny.
Seed banks are owned by companies such as Burpee and Seeds of Change and others that want to continue to maintain
a great deal of biodiversity.
None of this suggests anything off the planet.
reply posted on 21-6-2012 @ 02:44 PM by stereologist
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
A big pile of worthless claims is no better than a small pile of worthless claims.
Great. You picked out about four things, all of which I disagree with you and none of which has been disproven, what about the other 50 or so points mentioned?
A big pile of worthless claims is no better than a small pile of worthless claims.
reply posted on 21-6-2012 @ 03:15 PM by stereologist
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
If there were a black hole nearby we'd easily detect it since any infalling matter would create easily detected high energy bursts.
Most stars that are stars like our Sun are not in binary systems. There are many hoax sites spreading disinformation to the contrary.
Hypothetically speaking because I know you do not believe in this Planet X talk, IF we are in a binary star system, which the majority of star systems appear to be (despite recent disinformation on such), do you think it is more likely that our binary other star is fixed and that the hypothetical rogue planet is orbiting both, or that the hypothetical rogue planet is the binary star and orbiting in an elongated elliptical orbit around the Sun? If the latter could the orbiting dwarf star be orbiting a black hole at the other end point of it's orbit?
If there were a black hole nearby we'd easily detect it since any infalling matter would create easily detected high energy bursts.
Most stars that are stars like our Sun are not in binary systems. There are many hoax sites spreading disinformation to the contrary.
reply posted on 21-6-2012 @ 03:24 PM by PlanetXisHERE
Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
When it comes to government actions these actions do not indicate an external planet to me. They could just:
1. disaster planning
2. legal requirements to protect the population
3. military planning
4. protecting agriculture
5. There is no giant underground facility under the DIA
6. Ex-presidents buying low lying properties means what?
7. Maintaining infrastructure means what?
8. Vatican library was closed for repairs - scheduled and reopened.
9. SPT is a radio telescope. sheesh
10. Yellowstone has had lots of quakes - small quakes.
11. Chemtrails don't exist. Astronomers would quickly detect any occluding materias in the air.
12. Media does not black out comet info - just no biggies since Hale-Bopp
13. Google has a stitching problem using OLD photos
The completely idiotic interpretation of seed banks as something sinister is so over the top it is not even funny.
Seed banks are owned by companies such as Burpee and Seeds of Change and others that want to continue to maintain
a great deal of biodiversity.
None of this suggests anything off the planet.
Stereologist - I appreciate the time you have taken in compiling these responses and the absence of insults or ad hominem attacks, thanks, - even if I disagree with many of your rebuttals - for example - what does the population need protection against? - or the statement was "not maintaining infrastructure" - tectonic activity is normal - it is not.
In the US in March something like over 10,000 all time temperature records were broken. In the past few days many regions in North America have seen all-time record non-summertime temperatures.
I realize the world has changes and anomalies but not this many and this fast, they are all way past many SD's from the norm.
Answer me this with an answer that makes sense, unlike many of the quick ones above:
Why did Hillary Clinton recall all the US ambassadors and envoys from around the world last year? This has never been done before, not for WWI, WWII, Korean War, Vietnam War, Cuban Missile Crisis, Gulf War I, 911, Gulf War II - what could be more important and secret than all these major world events? The Arab Spring was more important than these events?
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton is convening an unprecedented mass meeting of U.S. ambassadors. The top envoys from nearly all of America's 260 embassies, consulates and other posts in more than 180 countries will be gathering at the State Department beginning on Monday. Officials say it's the first such global conference.
www.huffingtonpost.com...
Something major, bigger than 911 or WWII is about to happen, the only question is what.
edit on 21-6-2012 by PlanetXisHERE because:
addendum
reply posted on 21-6-2012 @ 03:37 PM by AndyMayhew
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You forgot to mention reports of Dementors being seen in Privet Drive, Little Whinging ..... And rain falling in England in June. And many many other fictional or common place things, none of which have any more to do with an imaginary planet that any thing in your list does
But if you can demonstrate beyond all reasonal doubt that just one thing in you list is not only happening but can only be caused by Planet X/Nibiru, I'll donate $100 to a charity of your choice.
You forgot to mention reports of Dementors being seen in Privet Drive, Little Whinging ..... And rain falling in England in June. And many many other fictional or common place things, none of which have any more to do with an imaginary planet that any thing in your list does
But if you can demonstrate beyond all reasonal doubt that just one thing in you list is not only happening but can only be caused by Planet X/Nibiru, I'll donate $100 to a charity of your choice.
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