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US-Australia plans for war on China

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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 08:47 PM
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Interesting article from global research.ca. Not much to say about it, just wanted the information to be available.



A newly published book by journalist David Uren has revealed that the Australian government’s 2009 Defence White Paper contained a “secret chapter” that assessed “Australia’s ability to fight an air-sea battle alongside the United States against China.”

The chapter was omitted from the public version as it contained references to Australian forces assisting the US military to impose a naval blockade of China’s trade routes, and likely Chinese retaliation against targets on Australian soil. The existence of the confidential chapter was prominently reported on the front page of the Australian newspaper on Saturday under the headline “Secret ‘war’ with China uncovered.” Labor’s Defence Minister Stephen Smith was questioned about the revelation on Sunday. While he attempted to dismiss as “nonsense” the report that Australia had plans for war with China, he confirmed that there were both public and secret versions of the White Paper.

The war preparations motivated the White Paper’s recommendation that more than $100 billion be spent over the next decade or so to equip the Australian military with new submarines, destroyers, jet fighters and other advanced hardware.


Right. 100 billion. But America is 'broke', right?



the US Naval War College published a study in January 2011 which detailed Australia’s “numerous advantages” as a base from which the US military could control the vital sea lanes between the Indian and Pacific Oceans in the event of conflict with China. The study’s authors, James Holmes and Toshi Yoshihara, commented that “the Australian government—Washington’s most dependable ally in Asia, alongside Tokyo—would likely prove agreeable to such an arrangement.”





www.globalresearch.ca...




posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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Fighting China is a terrible idea. I can't see why we would do that.

Besides, how would we get the money to do it? I'm sure China won't pay us to fight them



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 08:55 PM
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Hmmm....I'd just read in that other thread how we refused to sell Australia weapons!



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by Mapkar
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Fighting China is a terrible idea. I can't see why we would do that.


Mainly because different countries in the Pacific want to ensure they are free to trade without interference from China.

Besides, how would we get the money to do it? I'm sure China won't pay us to fight them


I see you buy into the myth that the US is 'broke'. The US military budget for 2012 alone is over .1 trillion
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by BobM88
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Hmmm....I'd just read in that other thread how we refused to sell Australia weapons!



Yr gonna have to link to a source, because I've never read anything stating that.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by Mapkar
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Fighting China is a terrible idea. I can't see why we would do that.

Besides, how would we get the money to do it? I'm sure China won't pay us to fight them


How would we get the money? LOL!

Where does the US currently 'get its money'? It certainly is not China.

Fighting China IS a terrible idea, but it's important to know that this is not a war against the citizens of China. Rather a war over ideology, and economics.

I'm sure those that 'give us money' would be more than glad to support the US, for the US has a strong history of being sustainable, finding means of solving issues with in its boarders, and being the main influence in global economics.

Distorting markets, unfair labor practices, lacking civil liberties, freedom

I can see why we would do that.
edit on 16-6-2012 by FractalChaos13242017 because: clarification



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:05 PM
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I haven't either, honestly, I was being sarcastic...CrimsonKapital said it in one of his posts.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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Australia still is the US lap dog it has always been.Is there a country anywhere I could call my own?
Nope!!



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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not really U.S but only russia and chinas decision to attack

im sure for a fact obama will never go to war with china....

unless china attacks first you DIG



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by burntoast
not really U.S but only russia and chinas decision to attack

im sure for a fact obama will never go to war with china....

unless china attacks first you DIG



It's probably inaccurate to think of it as a conventional war. This is about deterrence. Making sure China doesnt try to control trade in the Pacific through military might.



US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta that the US Navy will base 60 percent of its fleet in the Asia-Pacific underscores the strategic importance of access to Australian naval bases. Ports in Perth, Darwin and Brisbane will service the US aircraft carrier battle groups and nuclear submarines that threaten China’s access to crucial maritime trading routes.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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Like most nations in the world, government and the people are two separate entities..so the US might like our government and consider them an ally..but they'd be mistaken if they believed for one second that that cosy view of the US extended far beyond the monolithic ideological ruins of Canberra and a few other remaining pockets of political and social ignorance.

Steven Smith is a one eyed leech...a US/UK shill and hated by even his own party...he wont be around long enough to decide when we go to war or with whom.

Nice to see them unveiling finally what the new 70 billion p/a 'carbon tax' will actually be used for.


Rosha



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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by Rosha
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Steven Smith is a one eyed leech...a US/UK shill and hated by even his own party...he wont be around long enough to decide when we go to war or with whom.



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Are you under the impression anyone with power in your government is opposed to the US presence?



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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The military may have a budget, but it doesn't hurt to wonder where the money they're spending comes from. I don't really see how we have enough export to generate THAT much income to have a budget like that. It's coming from somewhere, and we know China and the US have extensive monetary relations.

As far as your reason to go to war with China, sure there are people over three who want trade without Chinese influence... But, is that something we should be fighting for? We can only do so much, and the Chinese military is quite a large one. Sometimes you have to pick your fights.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:23 PM
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I had a comment then I saw your avatar. Bye.

OK, now I have a comment. America needs total war sooner or later. She is a mere proxy for the illumnists that control the west. They have there tentacles throughout Asia as well. You can see the tell tale signs of their incursions if you know what to look for. The eve of financial collapse will drive a push to empire. This is an ages old tactic of dying giants. It will be a short lived and brilliant dying gasp. They will drag all of their allies down with them. God help those of you who have not left yet.
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by Mapkar
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The military may have a budget, but it doesn't hurt to wonder where the money they're spending comes from. I don't really see how we have enough export to generate THAT much income to have a budget like that. It's coming from somewhere, and we know China and the US have extensive monetary relations.


The us is not broke. Thats the first part. Second, are you implying you think China will fund a US war against China?


As far as your reason to go to war with China, sure there are people over three who want trade without Chinese influence... But, is that something we should be fighting for? We can only do so much, and the Chinese military is quite a large one. Sometimes you have to pick your fights.


Are you under the impression I am for this just because I am writing about it?



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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Broke? Don't the Fed just, print money outta thin air?

Oh yea, it's backed by oil



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by Numbers33four
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I had a comment then I saw your avatar. Bye.


Uh, okay.

Bye.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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A war with China is certainly looming, its not a matter of if, its a matter of when,

China has already steamrollered Tibet without any outside interference as nobody wanted to get dragged into a war, the last time the world see such a thing was when Nazi Germany set about uniting all German speaking country's in Europe such as Austria yet the world did nothing it just sat back and allowed it and hoped Hitler would play nice, it then went on to invade Poland & Czech Rep and so on, China has the same intentions for Taiwan & South Korea, and i can see it playing out exactly the same way

I think within the next 5yrs we could see a clash of civilizations with China & The West its certainly gearing up that way


China is an aggressive communist country, its set its sites on world domination and nothing will deter it from that goal not even its own people choking to death in illegal levels of pollution, it simply doesn't care, only a confrontation will stop its worrying dream, China is no different in its goals than that of Adolph Hitler & Nazi Germany,

Battle of Chamdo


The Battle of Chamdo (Chinese:昌都之战), also referred to as the invasion of Tibet, was a military campaign by the People's Republic of China against a de facto independent Tibet in Qamdo after months of failed negotiations.[9] The purpose of the campaign was to capture the Tibetan army in Chamdo, demoralize the Lhasa government, and thus exert powerful pressure to send negotiators to Beijing to sign terms recognizing Chinese sovereignty over Tibet


The people of Tibet under UN laws state that the people have a right to determine it own future, this has obviously gone out the window, so the world has already turned a blind eye just like they did in 1939



China's - let us invade Taiwan unopposed or we'll dump the dollar and bring about economic chaos. China holds $1.3 trillion of dollar denominated assets and leading Communist Party officials have repeatedly threatened to use what the London Telegraph referred to as "the nuclear option," the liquidation of US treasuries if Washington imposes trade sanctions to force a yuan revaluation, the result of which would be an almost certain and immediate collapse of the dollar.


www.strategypage.com...

Taiwan is there next goal..

So of course the US/West is making plans for Australia "Should" Taiwan be gobbled up by communist China against its own will just as Tibet, Australia is the step of point to which a counter attack will be mounted in order to retake Taiwan,
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:33 PM
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Of course there's a plan for it!

Guess what? There's also a plan for war in essentially any perceivable situation including even against America!

Does it mention what news paper it was on the front of or just 'the news paper' like we only have one here...

War with China would be a horrible idea, I'd rather go to war with America!!



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 09:33 PM
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Well its good they have a plan just incase.

Hey were is germinicus?

I want to see the 'just in case' plan for florida
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