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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 02:44 PM
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Child Abuse in Foster Care:\


The Children's Rights Project has initiated a number of successful civil suits against foster care and child welfare systems. One such landmark suit was brought against the Illinois foster care system. Attorney Benjamin Wolf instituted the legal action after concluding that the states foster care system functioned as "a laboratory experiment to produce the sexual abuse of children."[12] Yet by many accounts, the sexual abuse of children in the state's care has increased along with the increase in placements, successful lawsuits notwithstanding. Even Patrick Murphy, the outspoken Cook County Public Guardian, admits that sexual abuse of children in the care of the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services has probably increased.


And still, there's more:


According to an Associated Press investigation, in nearly half the states, cases take years to come to completion as agencies repeatedly fail to investigate abuse reports in a timely fashion, find permanent homes for children, or even keep track of those children under their care and custody. For various reasons, ranging from failure to provide adequate supervision and oversight of workers, to failure to provide safe child care facilities, 22 states and the District of Columbia have been ruled inadequate by the courts and now operate under some form of judicial supervision


And then there is this pesky little statistic:


A 1986 survey conducted by the National Foster Care Education Project found that foster children were 10 times more likely to be abused than children among the general population. A follow-up study in 1990 by the same group produced similar results. The American Civil Liberties Union's Children's Rights Project similarly estimates that a child in the care of the state is ten times more likely to be abused than one in the care of his parents.[/ex]

(Emphasis Added)

How many of the 6 million children being abused that was reported by Child Help were children needlessly placed in foster care, I wonder? Of course, Child Help couldn't be bothered to make that distinction, could they?

Let's return to A Critical Look At The Foster Care System: How Widespread a Problem?


In a legal action brought by the Children's Rights Project against the District of Columbia child welfare system, the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia found that:

"because of the appalling manner in which the system is managed, children remain subject to continuing abuse and neglect at the hands of heartless parents and guardians, even after the DHS has received reports of their predicaments. The court also found that youngsters who have been taken into the custody of the District's foster-care system languish in inappropriate placements, with scarce hope of returning to their families or being adopted."

The Court also found that the agency entrusted with the care of children "has consistently evaded numerous responsibilities placed on it by local and federal statutes." Among the deficiencies cited was "failure to provide services to families to prevent the placement of children in foster care.

Frustrated by the lack of progress after years of litigation, child advocates succeeded in placing the District of Columbia child welfare system into full receivership in 1995, making it the first such system in the nation to come under the direct control of the Court.


But still there's more:


In a Pennsylvania case, the Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit wrote in a 1994 decision: "It is a matter of common knowledge (and it is not disputed here) that in recent years the system run by DHS and overseen by DPW has repeatedly failed to fulfill its mandates, and unfortunately has often jeopardized the welfare of the children in its care."

The original complaint, filed by the Children's Rights Project on April 4, 1990, alleged that systemic deficiencies prevent the Pennsylvania department from performing needed services, and that it consistently violates the due process rights of both parents and children:

"Specifically, plaintiffs claim that these amendments confer the right not to be deprived of a family relationship; the right not to be harmed while in state custody; the right to placement in the least restrictive, most appropriate placement; the right to medical and psychiatric treatment; the right to care consistent with competent professional judgment; and the right not to be deprived of liberty or property interests without due process of law."


Oh but wait, there's much much more.




posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 02:44 PM
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One of the plaintiffs in the Pennsylvania suit was "Tara M." on whose behalf the ACLU charged the city of Philadelphia with neglect. Human Services Commissioner Joan Reeves guaranteed the young girl an adoptive home with specially trained parents.

In August of 1996, Tara M. would make the headlines once again, as her new foster parents were sentenced for "one of the most appalling cases of child abuse" Common Pleas Court Judge Carolyn E. Temin said she had ever heard.

Nine-year-old Tara has had three skin grafts and wears a protective stocking in recovery from burns over more than half her body. Police said the foster parents punished the girl by stripping her, forcing her into the bathtub and dousing her with buckets of scalding water. This was the very best of care the city could provide for Tara, a girl who had already endured years of physical and sexual abuse in the several foster homes into which she had been placed over the years.


liftingtheveil.org...

But it doesn't end there:


The Children's Rights Project has also been involved in suits against child welfare systems in the states of Connecticut, Kansas, Louisiana and New Mexico, and the cities of Kansas City, Missouri; Louisville, Milwaukee, and New York City.[23] Says Children's Rights Project attorney Marcia Robinson Lowry: "There are a lot of injuries, a lot of abuse. The most significant thing is the psychological death of so many of these kids. Kids are being destroyed every day, destroyed by a government-funded system set out to help them."


And this:


In California, as of 1989 Los Angeles County alone had paid $18 million in settlements to children who had been abused while in its custody. One such case involved a nine-year-old boy who weighed only 28 lbs., and who could hardly speak after the suicides of his parents. County social workers failed to visit him in his foster home for four months. During that time, he was beaten, sodomized, burned on his genitals and nearly drowned by his foster parents. He became a spastic paraplegic. By 1990 the state was threatening to take over Los Angeles County's child welfare system


And this:


The California-based Little Hoover Commission, in examining the functioning of the foster care system determined: "That children can come to harm--and even die--while supposedly under the protection of foster care is not in dispute." Some cases cited by the Commission included:

A foster mother arrested in Los Angeles on charges of beating to death her 23-month-old foster son, allegedly over toilet training problems.

A Los Angeles woman arrested for the attempted murder of a 19-month-old foster child who she said fell from a jungle gym. Doctors believed the severe head injuries, which may result in blindness, could only have come from abuse.

A Sacramento woman who was injured in a car accident who voluntarily placed her daughter in a foster care facility. During a tantrum by the child, an employee of the facility wrapped her in a blanket and squatted on her. She was later discovered dead.


In 2007, USA Today ran this article: Study: Troubled homes better than foster care


Children whose families are investigated for abuse or neglect are likely to do better in life if they stay with their families than if they go into foster care, according to a pioneering study...

Doyle's study, however, provides "the first viable, empirical evidence" of the benefits of keeping kids with their families, says Gary Stangler, executive director of the Jim Casey Youth Opportunities Initiative, a foundation for foster teens. Stangler says it looked at kids over a longer period of time than had other studies.

"It confirms what experience and observation tell us: Kids who can remain in their homes do better than in foster care," says Stangler. He says some kids, for their own safety, need to be removed from their families, but in marginal cases of abuse, more should be done to keep them together.


But go on, get all histrionic and tell us all about the pedophile parents...oh, that's right, you couldn't find any statistics on that so you had to tone down your histrionics and leave at "child abuse"

Let's not stop here. Let's keep digging and see what else we can find about your precious big government programs "for the children"



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 02:45 PM
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The Evidence is In: Foster Care vs. Keeping Families Together: The Definitive Studies

www.prokidscasa.org...

The tragic drugging of children in foster care - a national scandal...

A National Scandal: AIDS Drug Experiments on Foster Care Children

Foster-Care System Stretched Too Far





On and on and on and on, record after record after record of sexual abuse, violence and psychological abuse brought about by Child Protective Services and the Foster Homes in which innocent children are placed abound. This is the government doing this, far more likely than parents, the government abuse of innocent children is an epidemic, but you think it is prudent to give this government the authority to license parents.

Spare me your pretentious bleeding heart, it isn't concern about the children that motivates you. Preventing children from being born is not caring about those children.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

Genocide might be a good idea here.


You first please.
Otherwise, you are talking hot air.

It's easy to talk about the mass murder of others and what "good" it may bring. Until it's you in the cross hairs.

If you really believe that, you first.
If you ever post again I will take it as an admission that you were wrong, and that life is better than death.

Genocide might be a good idea? You folks are scaring the crap out of me!!!

That's completely psychopathic...to even consider it.


And so I see you completely failed to seriously consider the consequences of your actions by letting these people continue to have children and cause needless harm and suffering to billions ahead of them.

So you won't cut off their heads.. what will you agree to, to stop the madness? Will it be effective? Lets hear your best permanent solution. So, you wanna be all squeamish and moral but I ask you again.. did you count the cost? Unless you can stop the problem in a real permanent way, it's just going to get worse. This is war. People just don't see it that way so they ignore it and hope the problem goes away. If not genocide then what.. you gonna enforce castration to millions of people - it aint gonna happen. Yes, I said It MIGHT be a good idea. It may also be a last ditch effort when all else fails. Tell me, how will you STOP the problem? You wanna talk smack or real solutions here?
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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
The only reason you people want to get other's out of the way is so you can have more of the pie to yourself. It's really selfish, you need to learn to share Earth with your fellow humans.

If you really believed this crap, you would do your part, and knock yourself off right now.

The reason you don't suicide is because you don't believe in yourself dying, no, you consider yourself more important and superior to other humans. You want the "inferiors" to be eradicated.

So you can have their land, their food, their wealth.
Their kids are in your way of you having more stuff.

The levels of selfishness and conceit never cease to amaze me.

You know that's why the Holocaust happened? Lebensraum? Living space??


Extremely good post.

And unless these posters are all hidden elites, what is shocking is that they think their opinions are GOD TO OTHERS, that others STAND UNDER THEIR IDEAS. They have been extremely well programmed by the psycho's running this planet.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

Genocide might be a good idea here.


You first please.
Otherwise, you are talking hot air.

It's easy to talk about the mass murder of others and what "good" it may bring. Until it's you in the cross hairs.

If you really believe that, you first.
If you ever post again I will take it as an admission that you were wrong, and that life is better than death.

Genocide might be a good idea? You folks are scaring the crap out of me!!!

That's completely psychopathic...to even consider it.


And so I see you completely failed to seriously consider the consequences of your actions by letting these people continue to have children and cause needless harm and suffering to billions ahead of them.

So you won't cut off their heads.. what will you agree to, to stop the madness? Will it be effective? Lets hear your best permanent solution. So, you wanna be all squeamish and moral but I ask you again.. did you count the cost? Unless you can stop the problem in a real permanent way, it's just going to get worse. This is war. People just don't see it that way so they ignore it and hope the problem goes away. If not genocide then what.. you gonna enforce castration to millions of people - it aint gonna happen. Yes, I said It MIGHT be a good idea. It may also be a last ditch effort when all else fails. Tell me, how will you STOP the problem? You wanna talk smack or real solutions here?

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Here are the errors in your words, BY LETTING THEM. You don't LET OR UNLET ANYONE.

Until you drop all control you can't leave the schools either.

Here is the solution, quit patting yourself on the back for being a good slave and stop supporting banks and money or forcing anyone.

If people ended the slavery and understand only something like the Venus system isn't slavery, and there is no need for money, within a few months everyone could live like this, for there is more than ample land. We all fit in Canada, with farms and the whole world to spare.

We are all natural co-owners of our planet and resources and the crimes have been in allowing slavery or forcing, its absolutely violation of the most basic ABC's of common law to allow slavery or to STAND OVER OTHERS.

Imagine it, the very corrupt and bad greedy opinions of a few starve and abuse billions of people.

Get over your opinions.

In the capacity some weild them, they're crimes, for they're impacting others in bad ways.


Fishing in the Phoenix Earthship

There is barely any natural population growth in developed and equal nations with good health care systems and equality.

Canada has often dipped into negative numbers.

Get over the control, its evil.
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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 03:01 PM
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Once again, forget it.
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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 03:11 PM
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What is more, is that there is no need to abuse the forrests, and abuse this planet for energy, we have abundant clean technology that can accomplish everything that is needed.

They don't want to use it, and like very costly mining operations to get rare items for their black op space program.

Its sickening.

The earth spins on overunity

We don't need oil at all. Crystals make the best hard drives in fact you can virtualize a super computer in them as well. And quartz, even diamonds can be grown in laboratories.

Meat can be grown by cloning muscles already, wthout murdering consciousness and no need for chemical poisons.

Food can be grown organically as it is, in the rich soils but it can also be grown in green houses, and underground ,in homes, and on roof tops and in ocean platforms.

Aside from exotic energies, wind, solar, tide, wave, geothermal is abundant.

No planet tips on its axis if it is an equal one. That is a KARMIC HIT.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 03:18 PM
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If you only understood WHY this is going on. Greed aside, though it is the main motivating force, WHY they are workign so hard to depopulate, and expect to do a big one. Many of the annanuki mismanagers do not want to do this, for they are greedy and like the current false paradigm slave system just fine.

But Marduk's group is contracted to return and they want space, so alot of us have to go.

And I'm pretty sure some people on here know that but won't say.
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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 03:19 PM
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Just remember, for every poor, downtrodden baby brought into this world, that's one more potential Democratic voter.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

And so I see you completely failed to seriously consider the consequences of your actions by letting these people continue to have children and cause needless harm and suffering to billions ahead of them.

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I am not "letting" anyone do anything.
I have no right nor authority to control any human aside of myself.
My right is to defend human sovereignty (especially my own or my kids), and it is my duty as a citizen of a free society.

You do not pass go. It's not + - it's just - -
Death = Bad -
Life = Good +

If life cannot be sustained with a philosophy of life, than it is not truly life. Because it is the philosophy of death that brings death.

+ - = -
In math, adding a positive value increases overall value to system.
Adding a negative value (subtraction) decreases the overall value of the system.
Remember the rule of math? If you say "Add a negative number" You are just subtracting really, it's redundant.

Just go watch a 1000hours of WW2 video footage and come back and tell me how good it worked.
Which world is more polluted? One in civil war polluting and destroying and burning everything?
Or one were we can act as civilized human beings with decorum and dignity, respecting others around us and upholding our own personal responsibility as citizens who wish to congregate among the halls of humanity?

If you seek to rectify the folly of your ways, I will not judge you wrongly for your mistakes and I will apologize for being so harsh and direct.

But this pro-death talk is leading into some questionable implications and I am going to help the community of fine critics 'nip it in the bud'. Oh no I don't want censorship, I want to help crush these inaccurate ideologies fair and square on the field of rational and serious debate.

It is a mathematically fallacious equation, and the only possible way you can calculate a benefit is if you think one human has more "right" to live (probably by might of violent oppressive force), over another human being arbitrarily based upon prejudice, you are proposing a failed concept that has been attempted and did not pan out according to plan. It has been tried multiple times throughout history, and never succeeded once.

Even if you consider the flood myths from cultures around the world, a few humans still even survived that genocide attempt (as an allegory). So no matter how hard you try to kill them, the "roaches/insects" will never be stopped. In fact you may promote "resistances" among the "infection" and they will become even far more dangerous than anticipated (another allegory).

Language operates mathematically at our subconscious core. Our brains compute this extremely complex mathematical concept and it comes out as words /symbols /communication signals /etc.

Just add it all up, and look at what the answer is. Free yourself from the chains of spite and retribution.
The human race does not benefit very much at all from such deviations/corruptions of the survival codes instinctively buried within all of us.

What the human race needs is to abort our ancient practice of vengeance or coveting that which isn't rightfully ours to begin with. Not children.

This isn't the jungle so to speak. We had agreed earlier to create a free and just society as a team of political allies through peaceful congregation. I'm sticking with working on creating that civilization. I need everyone's help too because everyone has to reaffirm their commitments to their brethren every day for us to make any progress towards that concept we all supposedly already agreed on when we signed any document ever.

Learn how to control your own energy to benefit yourself. Learn to coexist and benefit from the existence of an emergent diversity of life around you. It cannot be eradicated fully, it is a universal constant, an emergence through chemical synthesis. Basic physics.

Do not seek to eradicate that which surrounds you, seek opportunity from it's inescapable existence.
If you have a problem, work towards solving it legitimately with the aid of your community, these 'short-cuts' never really work out well anyway.
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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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Castration is not reversible. You can't save testicles and glue them back on decades later.
I think you meant a vasectomy can sometimes be reversed.

Yes you did find a way to make it about money, " draining resources, having kids to get houses" . That was why you had some agree they are sick of paying, in response to your implications.

Most of the thread is about being pissed you all pay taxes and youre under some delusion that the entire nations contributions go solely to welfare. It doesn't. Please research what else it is you're funding and find another cause you're against chipping in on.

I pay taxes to fund the schools in my city through my property tax but wait, my children no longer attend school. Why should I pay for other peoples kids? Do you see how ridiculous this is if we were to be like this on every level?






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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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Disagree completely. As a previous poster said why should I be forced to pay for someone elses mistake ( most cases mistakes).



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 03:41 PM
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I really don't think your opinion should decide who is allowed kids or not. Neither would I want any government deciding what situation is right for a child to be born into.

Children from bad parents grow up learning from their parents mistakes, children from rich families grow up unfulfilled and will eventually commit suicide.

There are thousands of variables that nobody can truely understand or predict to determine how a child will grow up and mature.

As for paying for someone elses mistake: That mistake will be paying their taxes when they grow older to help pay for you to milk the system dry with your state pension.
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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by johnm75
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Disagree completely. As a previous poster said why should I be forced to pay for someone elses mistake ( most cases mistakes).

Mistakes?
Can we be any more insulting?



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
If you only understood WHY this is going on. Greed aside, though it is the main motivating force, WHY they are workign so hard to depopulate, and expect to do a big one. Many of the annanuki mismanagers do not want to do this, for they are greedy and like the current false paradigm slave system just fine.

But Marduk's group is contracted to return and they want space, so alot of us have to go.

And I'm pretty sure some people on here know that but won't say.
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Technically we human beings are appropriated the responsibility for "stewardship" of the Earth and protectorate of it's resources, flora, fauna, and mineral.

If outside 'space pirate' forces attempt any sort of hostile take over and eradication of human society and sovereignty, than the "prime directive of non-interference" does not apply and any powerful outside entity has full right to step in and bring the unlawful interlopers to justice.

So I am not worried too much. Of course this is hypothetical because I don't have enough data to accurately classify the motivations or organizations of any alien entities (or even their very existences). I am expecting a mixed bag and a struggle between opposing forces. (As usual lol).



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 03:51 PM
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I don't know what the answer is, but something definitely needs to be done to prevent so many "dead beat parents" from having 5, 6, 8, however many children they can churn out, then ignore and abuse them.
Although a license would be nice, it wouldn't work without a lot of government intervention and then it would be twisted to be something worse in just a few years.
I guess education is still the best way to go. We need to ensure that the teenagers (and adults) know how much work is involved with having children, especially at a young age, teach them how to prevent it through the use of birth control and find more productive ways to promote abstinence as long as possible.
I just don't know exactly how we're going to find a way that works

Childrearing classes as a requirement would be a good start. Don't even address the birth control, abstinence, abortion ideas, focus on raising children and putting the work into it that needs to go into it and take away the public support for those who use childbirth as a "raise in their check" and find a way to help provide for them that doesn't get abused the way the welfare system does.


of course if we are going to let TPTB control us without opposition anyway, they may as well control that too

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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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I post that part too, but there are some weird things regarding this planet, its population and the different groups of the annanuki. The ones that would return, and are already here, and waiting, claim this as their planet, and we have destroyed it and starved our own people so they are pulling karma as rights. But the ones actually doing this by intent and attempting to offload the karma onto us, who have no real ability to change it, are also of their own race, for they left a branch of annanuki here to run things till the cycle supposedly clears their right to come back and take up real estate.

But its also about us growing up now, yearning for the equality and sharing, being kind. With that, we would rise above anything that happens, for that is graduation.

Whether or not not doing that is another 26 000 year cycle of slavery depends on who is talking.

I don't see any of that, but Love and Goodness and freeing the planet.

This is what is behind all the depopulation however.

Considering that BC has that strange article on ETs residents, in the Gov papers, I find it all something to pay attention to, and that Fukushima could very well be intended to depopulate the west coast, which may be their preference location even.

Most of the bad things carried out are of their making.

But I feel things are going to be done and handled to overcome the darkside plans, though it doesnt necessarily stop things getting bleak.

I also feel its a time to really practice seeing how far our consciousness, spirit and connections to Infinity could have at changing things around us. Ie. many waking up are in danger zones of various types possibly to do just that, hold a frequency and awareness and visions that prevent those events from doing their worst.

But this is ultimately what is behind it all.

What makes NO sense is if our species, and our people are so willingly programmed into their control grid as to basically walk into the cages and shackle themselves.

The posts on this thread are beyond shocking.

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posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 04:11 PM
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the only reason something like this wouldn't work is pretty simple. the people that make the rules get to decide who can reproduce and who can't. in a perfect world this might work, but then again we wouldn't need it.

unfortunately i can agree that some people don't deserve kids, but then again i don't see any feasible solution where there isn't a blatant abuse of this power.



posted on Jun, 17 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by Idonthaveabeard
Then if you want kids later in life you apply for a license to have your castration reversed. To have a baby (weather rich, poor, black, white or whatever) you must prove your home is a stable loving environment that has the means to support, love and raise a child.




lol that would not have worked with my parents......amazing what the world sees on the outside, then behind doors it is a completely different situation.....

you know how many abusive homes look PERFECT from the outside and when around others?

and really who decides what is a stable and loving environment?

while I get your point completely, a liscense wont work. look how many people pass their vehicle driving license, and get behind the wheel and cant drive worth crap!


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