License to have children

Originally posted by deepankarm
reply to post by jiggerj

 

In my country, the number of students from poor families beating reputed competition exams is almost ten to one as compared to rich ones.
I am an Indian,MIT Cambridge post-graduate with an uneducated mother and a matriculate father.

MIT. Good man! But think of the numbers you're talking about in your country. The number of poor children with both, brains and opportunity, must be (just a guess) one child out of every 5 million children?

The population of India grew by 181 million over the last ten years. That's 181 million children in just ten years! Don't you think you are the exception to the rule that poverty breeds poverty?

Your idea is asinine...... and people like you are responsible for the male to female problem occurring in China after decades of manipulation and government interference. So you think You should Dictate huh...!

I'm glad there are people who take the second amendment seriously, to keep Dictators at bay.... just sayin...

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by stanguilles7
Sounds kinda "Big Government-ey" to me.

I don't know. Maybe it should happen. Mr. intelligent man capable of supporting a family will probably have two kids. Mr. dumb guy who can't support a family will have 5 or more kids.

There are some women without the mental power to balance a checkbook, and yet they are trusted to raise kids properly? It's absurd.

And why do you have to be highly intelligent to love your children, Banks are overrated anyway.

Love brings people together. But it takes brains to know what to do with that love.

reply to post by BoyTheEarthTalksTo


And to those of us who are allergic?

Originally posted by VoidHawk

Originally posted by BoyTheEarthTalksTo
If someone is collecting welfare it may be a good idea to require the birth-control shot?

Here we go again, attacking the poor!

We dont need castration, we just need better education.
TPTB have deliberately dumbed people down so that we end up with the problems we see today, then everyone begs them to CASTRATE THEM.

Wake up, what we see today is EXACTLY what they want us to see.

All you that want castration lets start with your children fisrt shall we?

I agree. You know, lots of great people came from poor parents... but I know of none that came from dumb ones. I think an IQ test should be involved instead of attacking your income. These days there are not as many ways to make and income and that shouldn't stop someone from passing on good genes. I am one that is considered very low income, and I provide for my child. I don't waste my money on cigarettes, beer, and porn like most adults. I am a responsible parent. When me and my child need new clothes I buy most for him then me barely enough to get by. I save for my childs college. I only have one, but my genes are passed on. I love my child and would not want to not have one. I have merely made a replacement though, basically. What bothers me is all of these lazy dummies pumping them out and ignoring them. Yes most of them are on welfare and poor... but there are perfectly fine people on the same these days because of the economy. The government controls our income for the most part at the moment, it shouldn't be the only criteria... and maybe if you think only being poor is the problem perhaps we should start with your brood.

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by deepankarm
reply to post by jiggerj

 

In my country, the number of students from poor families beating reputed competition exams is almost ten to one as compared to rich ones.
I am an Indian,MIT Cambridge post-graduate with an uneducated mother and a matriculate father.

MIT. Good man! But think of the numbers you're talking about in your country. The number of poor children with both, brains and opportunity, must be (just a guess) one child out of every 5 million children?

The population of India grew by 181 million over the last ten years. That's 181 million children in just ten years! Don't you think you are the exception to the rule that poverty breeds poverty?

I honestly think that sometimes the challenges of being poor bring out the intelligence of an individual. You have to use more brains to survive.

yreply to post by Idonthaveabeard


I have to sternly disagree on this for a number of reasons:

1. It is how our society is ran that we have limited resources, and people cannot care for their children (not to take away the responsibilty from the parents, but things would be much different). We cannot point the finger at pople having children as our government is paying our farmers not to farm, or refuse to seek out alternative fuels.

2. Let the fed try to tell us they're going to "temporarily" castrate you at birth as see how far that really gets them. They would have mass riots at the very least.

Overpopulation is a myth...one perpetrated by Gov. and big corp to keep the masses at a "controlable" level. The resource excuse has been proven time and time again to be total B.S.

After reading more of the thread, I realize part of my previous post was misguided, allowing for mandatory birth control for the receiving of long-term public aid. That's not right - abuses of welfare systems are a problem of the welfare system. As others have said, regarding child-rearing, its a lack of caring and intelligence (not education level - intelligence) that leads to bad parenting, which MORE OFTEN, not always, leads to bad children.

That said, there is no good way to make the decision without being omniscient. A rich, highly intelligent couple can sexually abuse their child, raising that child's likelihood of becoming a sexual predator him/herself, for example. There just is no good way to decide who is properly fit to parent and who is not.

Improved education and a cultural shift toward better, more involved parenting by more people is what we need.

Originally posted by KingDoey

Originally posted by VoidHawk

Originally posted by BoyTheEarthTalksTo
If someone is collecting welfare it may be a good idea to require the birth-control shot?

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All you that want castration lets start with your children fisrt shall we?

I dont have children, and never want children so why do I have to pay for other peoples? The poor should be attacked because if they cannot afford kids then why do they have them? They are the problem. Its a no brainer really...

This is just your assumption all bad parents are on welfare. There's plenty of well to do bad parents out there.
I sincerely doubt your contribution to taxes all went to support other families. Ask your government where it's going to and direct your anger at them.

There could come a time when you might need assistance. You could get in an accident, lose your job, or suffer a serious illness and become disabled and will need to collect disability or shudder...welfare.

We all have to pay taxes. Some of us are paying more so stop whining you had to chip in.

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by deepankarm
reply to post by jiggerj

 

In my country, the number of students from poor families beating reputed competition exams is almost ten to one as compared to rich ones.
I am an Indian,MIT Cambridge post-graduate with an uneducated mother and a matriculate father.

MIT. Good man! But think of the numbers you're talking about in your country. The number of poor children with both, brains and opportunity, must be (just a guess) one child out of every 5 million children?

The population of India grew by 181 million over the last ten years. That's 181 million children in just ten years! Don't you think you are the exception to the rule that poverty breeds poverty?

Sorry not true.
For an example, in a village where my cousin lives, there were roughly 200-300 poor children and nearly 50 rich ones.
Even while rich ones got better education, the number of students got selected in civil services exams is nil.
And there were 19 selections from poors.
I know that there is a problem of education in most of the areas but it's changing.
Almost every top rank holders come from poor families.
We have the most number of engineers and doctors.
But hey, we are going up while you are going down.
I am grateful of your country for my education but i feel sorry for your society.
Its one thing when an uneducated society goes down but when intelligent ones do the same, i feel sad for humanity.

Thats a little much dont ya think?

I mean I can understand making someone take an education class and have to pass a test before they can reproduce...but a license? Sounds like more socialist type garbage to me. The government should not have control of such a thing.

Think of the implications of such a thing being enforced globally. People will be taking 9 month sabbaticals to have illegal kids. Then what? your gonna take the kid away cause they didn't have a license? The kid was still born.....what do you propose to do? Kill the baby? Raise slave labor? Orphanages that overflow causing a greater burden on the state?

Where do you draw the line? Todays its a license to have kids...then a license to have sex....then a license to buy food....

Kind of overboard don't ya think? People no matter how stupid they are should be allowed to do what they want as long as its not hurting anybody else.

Im not sure you thought this through.

reply to post by KingDoey


You were a child once upon a time

Originally posted by Plotus
Your idea is asinine...... and people like you are responsible for the male to female problem occurring in China after decades of manipulation and government interference. ...

And we all know what happened in China due to this policy don't we? Less girls because culture demands boys...hence a population of abundant gay chinamen. I'm not kidding...its one of the biggest homosexual countries known to man all because of this backward policy and high female abortion rates.....

I think it should be the other way around...we need more Chinese women

Hubba hubba hubba...who do ya love?

reply to post by Idonthaveabeard


Really?? are we going back in time?? are we going back to those ridiculous laws which went way out of hand where if your sibling was retarded you were not allowed to procreate just because you have a family history..

This is the stupidest thing i have ever heard.. we might as well of let the likes of hitler have his way.. he had a vision similar to this.. and his master race where not everyone had the right to exist.

Yes it all started out just as noble as the op makes it out to be but it all goes down hill from there. If you want to always be free protect the rights of others.

reply to post by Idonthaveabeard


To all you people who agree with the OP! YOU ARE ALL IGNORANT! The carrying compacity of this planet would be alot higher if equality and edjucation were priorities! It would be alot higher if materialism were not rampant! It would be alot higher if we had switched to a sustainable infastructure back in the 1970s when we knew we would have a problem sustaining our populations! But because this is not cost effective for profits we don't and we did'nt! I don't care how many laws that our totalitarian governments make we will never have a sustainable populus! This reason is obvious, our state don't care about people! They care about campaign
contrabutions and so that leads us into a world where there are haves and have nots! this will not change
no matter how your arrogance convinces you that a reduction of population would ever let this be the case!
You people need to do some real research by some independent sources not by the same corporate machine
that leads you to be PC! For some of you people biggotry is a problem! So i suggest you educate yourselves
about those you deem unfit to propagate! Shame on you all for surrendering your freedom of the most basic right!
May God have mercy on you all!

Originally posted by uberangel

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by deepankarm
reply to post by jiggerj

 

In my country, the number of students from poor families beating reputed competition exams is almost ten to one as compared to rich ones.
I am an Indian,MIT Cambridge post-graduate with an uneducated mother and a matriculate father.

MIT. Good man! But think of the numbers you're talking about in your country. The number of poor children with both, brains and opportunity, must be (just a guess) one child out of every 5 million children?

The population of India grew by 181 million over the last ten years. That's 181 million children in just ten years! Don't you think you are the exception to the rule that poverty breeds poverty?

I honestly think that sometimes the challenges of being poor bring out the intelligence of an individual. You have to use more brains to survive.

My thoughts exactly.
You may not believe but my parents earned about 1.5 dollars daily when i was ten.

Originally posted by deepankarm

For an example, in a village where my cousin lives, there were roughly 200-300 poor children and nearly 50 rich ones.
Even while rich ones got better education, the number of students got selected in civil services exams is nil.
And there were 19 selections from poors.

For the sake of easy math let's turn the 19 selections into 20. Twenty children selected out of 200 is 2.5%. That leaves 97.5% Unselected. If this were true of the entire country (don't get me wrong, I LOVE India) it means that 97.5% are an incredible burden on the economy. If your country had a government welfare program, in order to support the poor you (as one of the fortunate ones) would have to fork over all of your pay.

As for my country (U.S.), I don't know why we don't have more homegrown geniuses. Maybe the statistics would balance out if we had over a billion people? I just don't know.

This proves that community has been so separated for so long. The very reason nothing gets done is because we do not love and take care of even our own family(just ship them off to a home) let alone love our neighbor like they are part of the family. Let me tell you every little punk in your city is yours to make sure he does not grow up to rob you. I remember when all men acted like fathers. If a punk was walking by you and made a smart remark he would get spanked or some times punched for disrespecting a adult. All kids whether you accept it or not are important maybe you should mentor one to help them become a better leader for you and your future.

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by deepankarm

For an example, in a village where my cousin lives, there were roughly 200-300 poor children and nearly 50 rich ones.
Even while rich ones got better education, the number of students got selected in civil services exams is nil.
And there were 19 selections from poors.

For the sake of easy math let's turn the 19 selections into 20. Twenty children selected out of 200 is 2.5%. That leaves 97.5% Unselected. If this were true of the entire country (don't get me wrong, I LOVE India) it means that 97.5% are an incredible burden on the economy. If your country had a government welfare program, in order to support the poor you (as one of the fortunate ones) would have to fork over all of your pay.

As for my country (U.S.), I don't know why we don't have more homegrown geniuses. Maybe the statistics would balance out if we had over a billion people? I just don't know.

My friend, the exam i mentioned is just a single one.
There are thousands of exams like that.
I was just pointing out that money and parental education are not the main factors.
Starved people savour every piece of bread more than the rich.
I have opened few schools in my native district for underprivileged and i am certain that you will be touched after seeing the pure hunger for success in their eyes.

My first reaction to this was 'ARE YOU CRAZY!!!' There is no such thing as 'temporary castration'. Plus where does dominion over one's own body sit within this. You would be happy to give up the right of your own body to the whims of the state?

Let's reverse this - say the world's population was hitting rock bottom, would you be happy to play stud - every day - 7 days a week and would you be happy to see your spouse or teenage daughters (or any female that menstrates and that can be as young as 10 or 11) used as brood mares for the good of the state - churning out babies every ten months - with all the inherent medical issues that that entails - not withstanding the emotional and mental problems that would entail?

I've taken a look at population graphs and birth rates and it would seem that the 1st world birth rates are falling and the 3rd world birth rates have increased - wonder why?

Nature will curtail excessive growth - one way or another. It always has in the past. Plague, famine, floods, the odd asteroid. ;-)