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Is Homophobia The Most Misused Term On The Face Of This Planet Used By The People?

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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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I say used by the people because there's alot of misused terms that the media and govt. misuse as well.
But here's it's the people specifically.

Even if you say "it doesn't mean fear of gays it means fear of becoming gay" at the end of the day it's called Homo Phobia and because of it being termed like that people use it in a certain fashion.

They use it as if people are actually scared of gays, and I don't get that.

Then they come up with some BS link about how research shows that if you don't agree with their lifestyle then you must have secret gay thoughts.

Ya and islamaphobes secretly want to be muslims
libertarians secretly are in love with taxes and big govt.
liberals secretly want to be conservative and own a closet full of cowboy belt buckles

It's such nonsense

It's a topic where it's hard to say things freely
Because even with this post people will call it homophobic
But I'm not against gays, however I am against using cheap and innaplicable analogies to get your point accross and use terms in the wrong fashion to further your point.

And it happens just way too often.

So this is NOT an anti-gay thread or even a pro-gay thread.

It's just about why is this term being used so much as if it makes any sense to use it in that fashion?

Anyone see will smith slap that reporter accross his face?


People were calling this a hate crime....


This is the dumbing down of society......




posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 09:36 PM
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No.

But I'm pretty Sure "Communist' is in the United states.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 09:43 PM
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I would call the Westboro Baptist church members homophobes. I would not call someone uncomfortable at a gay bar a homophobe. It's a broad sweeping term that can be used to demonize people and also aptly explain the knee jerk and crazy reactions to gays by others. I would also categorize people that think gays are trying to convert them or there children as homophobes. I don't care what the actual definition of the word is, I would have to case by case judge something to be homophobic.

I really don't get the issues surrounding gay people. Let them do as they please, the 'gay agenda' is simply their desire to be treated the same as everyone else under the law (except for hate crime nonsense which I always find preposterous). Why anyone cares what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedroom confounds me. Maybe gay people are different where I live, they just seem like normal people...

lold at the video. I'd probably do that to just about anyone that 'tried to kiss me on the mouth'.
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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 09:44 PM
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Go to any etymology website with a lot of info, and start looking at any random words you use.

For a fun game, see how many words you find that mean the exact opposite of what they originally meant. See how many are grossly misused out of context.

You will be hard pressed to find many words that aren't misused or corrupted.
There are a few, but there are more of the other.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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Its right up there with "racist" and "nazi"



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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By the logic of those who use that word anyone who is disgusted by cannibals is a closet cannibal. Or anyone who is disgusted by Georger Bush is a closet conservative. It is just verbal judo to make the opposition shut up. Do not fall for it. Stand your ground.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 09:46 PM
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I have a theory about Will slapping that guy.

For years now, there have been rumors of Will and his wife being gay.

If true, and if he was outted, to him that would end his carrer,(I dont think it would)

He knows this, Thats why he reacted the way he did. He wants nothing to do with homosexuality.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
I say used by the people because there's alot of misused terms that the media and govt.


That's you're opinion. There are people, many of whom refer to themselves as conservatives, tea partiers, who have made it clear that they don't like homosexuality, they don't want homosexuals to be in schools, don't want them to get married, many even don't want homosexuals to openly serve in the army. Homophobia is a good term to use, because I don't see any rationality behind such blatant discrimmination, only fear.

I also agree with the member above, "communist" and "socialist" is probably an overused term, especially on this forum.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 09:47 PM
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Also I thought ATS was pretty much in agreement that the words 'love' and 'hate' are the most overused/misused. There was a thread but I am to homophobic to find it right now. I hate that.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by Numbers33four
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By the logic of those who use that word anyone who is disgusted by cannibals is a closet cannibal. Or anyone who is disgusted by Georger Bush is a closet conservative. It is just verbal judo to make the opposition shut up. Do not fall for it. Stand your ground.


It is used as pejorative ridicule aimed at shutting down the discussion.
It is an unfair and illegitimate form of argument (ad hominem), is off topic of the subject (the person in the discussion isn't the subject, a specific behavior of humans is the subject).

We are all guilty of this from time to time, but the goal is to attempt to rise above such petty ridicule tactics and to endeavor to create a fair and reasonable debate so that reasonable conclusions can be drawn without having to face peer pressure dynamics attempting to override your natural thought process.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 09:49 PM
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i would say the most misused term by people is.. Racist, or racism. Most people dont have a clue what it means to actually be a racist.. Or to commit racism. We throw the terms around a lot. He raciss, shes racist.. Thats racism.. This is racism... Theres a huge diffeerence between not liking an individual, and not liking a race.. Or being descriminitory towards a race. As for homophobia. What is homophobia? Is it the fear of gay? Or he fear of being gay? I dont mind gays, but I wouldnt want them disrupting my lifestyle, as I take no part in disrupting thiers.



posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by Myendica
I dont mind gays, but I wouldnt want them disrupting my lifestyle, as I take no part in disrupting thiers.


This is the solution to many of our current problems in society.

The solution is, I mind my business, and you mind yours.
We can meet in the middle as friends and conduct mutual human business in a fair and reasonable manner.

We would live in a veritable Golden Age if even half of the population stuck to this mantra.
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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by Numbers33four
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By the logic of those who use that word anyone who is disgusted by cannibals is a closet cannibal. Or anyone who is disgusted by Georger Bush is a closet conservative. It is just verbal judo to make the opposition shut up. Do not fall for it. Stand your ground.


It is used as pejorative ridicule aimed at shutting down the discussion.
It is an unfair and illegitimate form of argument (ad hominem), is off topic of the subject (the person in the discussion isn't the subject, a specific behavior of humans is the subject).

We are all guilty of this from time to time, but the goal is to attempt to rise above such petty ridicule tactics and to endeavor to create a fair and reasonable debate so that reasonable conclusions can be drawn without having to face peer pressure dynamics attempting to override your natural thought process.


You will never have a fair and reasonable debate with the homosexual agenda. They operate according to a scorched earth policy and will not be happy until every kid is forced as part of the education process to try out being gay.
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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 10:05 PM
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Oh, there's tons of terms that are commonly misused by the general public, encouraged by the media- a whole lot of them come from psychoanalysis and psychiatry. It drives me nuts to see Americans misusing the pop-psy term of the month as a put down!

I suspect it might spring from the idea of being an informed consumer, where people try to learn do-it-yourself analysis like they try to learn pharmaceutics. Like all those years of schooling are really a waste of time- you just need to read a few books from the grocery store to know all about "Men Who Hate Men Who Love Men But Secretly Love Them" and other such things- like obesity is genetic and homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. Or just watch an episode of Oprah- that works too.

There are people of limited intelligence and education everywhere, in every country... what is striking in the US is how they don't know that they are though! Humility is extinct there.

But that is my own uneducated analysis of the situation- I prolly saw it on Oprah or that Dr. whatever-his-name is......

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posted on Jun, 15 2012 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by Numbers33four

You will never have a fair and reasonable debate with the homosexual agenda. They operate according to a scorched earth policy and will not be happy until every kid is forced as part of the education process to try out being gay.
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I agree 100% with you. I honestly believe this is their end goal.

But let's define "They". "They" are part of a certain elite non-religious group - not necessary all gays.

BTW: I also support gay marriage and believe they shouldn't be discriminated against in work.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by Frankenchrist
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I have a theory about Will slapping that guy.

For years now, there have been rumors of Will and his wife being gay.

If true, and if he was outted, to him that would end his carrer,(I dont think it would)

He knows this, Thats why he reacted the way he did. He wants nothing to do with homosexuality.




Or he didn't appreciate somebody violating his personal space without his permission. I don't see how some random guy kissing him against his will would make him see gay.



posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by Frankenchrist
reply to post by ModernAcademia
 


I have a theory about Will slapping that guy.

For years now, there have been rumors of Will and his wife being gay.

If true, and if he was outted, to him that would end his carrer,(I dont think it would)

He knows this, Thats why he reacted the way he did. He wants nothing to do with homosexuality.




That made no sense at all.... You just made that rumor up cause your probably gay yourself and feel bad for the [SNIP] that got smacked.... He's lucky he didnt break his jaw
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 12:41 AM
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I dont know about other guys out there but I am a huge homophobe, in all it's flowery forms.
Its not that I dont like gay people, some of my fourth best friends are homosexuals.
But honestly, I cant spend more than an hour with one and not feel like he's undressing me with his eyes. I now know how a pretty woman feels walking past a construction site.
I also have proximity issues, my friends know this. You can say what you want but you dont have to do so right in my face.

Men have a general understanding, they dont touch unless shaking hands, never cross swords, never ever wink a each other, that kinds of stuff. Plus, and a mean this in the best of ways, homosexuality is good because it means more for the rest of us.

Homophobia is the fear of homosexuals. Whether it be a particular homesexual or becoming one. There's nothing wrong with it and quite frankly I think homosexuals should accept, just as they expect us to accept them, that most people do not agree to their lifestyle. It's their choice just as homosexuality is.

From a personal viewpoint I'd like to extend a tip of the hat to the straight men out there. It aint easy falling pray to, what in today's society, seems to be social convention.
Even metrosexuality, shave your chest hair and be 'todayls man'. I like my chest hair, it has multiple uses. It works for warmth, crumb catcher and tooth floss. And if I want I can yank a bunch of it out and weave a small net with which to catch fish and small animals.


I love being a man.


 
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 01:04 AM
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The "reporter" who kissed Will Smith is apparently a Ukranian presenter called Vetalli Sediuk, and he has a similar schtick of getting a rise out of celebrities to Borat.

I don't see anywhere that he's actually gay, or that anyone seriously called Smith's playful fisticuff a "hate crime", and I've glanced through a few sites and blogs on the matter.
He also apologized to Smith at a later stage, saying his stunt went too far.

Sediuk also had a recent encounter with Madonna:

www.vibe.com...

Homophobia is a spin-off on "homosexual", "homo" meaning "the same" (not man), and it's a dislike or fear of certain desires and contacts towards the same sex in the self or others.

One would have to decide in each case whether the term is abused or not.
Outright hatred, paranoid fears, violent fantasies, or actions and slurs against gay people would be homophobic.
In severe cases heterosexuality may be expressed less as a love and desire for women in men, but rather as a constantly active expression of hatred against homosexuals.
There could be many causes, ranging from religion and culture to internalized homophobia (what everyone is so hysterical about), reaction formation, some kind of traumatic experience with homosexuality, lack of success with women or falling short of a masculine ideal and many more.

I find heterosexism is often confused with homophobia, and it's a belief held by both some gay and straight people that heterosexuality is ultimately better than being gay in certain ways.
Some of my Christian friends are like that, but they don't discriminate against gay people, and we can respect each other and build friendship on other things that connect us.
I also think especially younger adult gays can flaunt and push themselves in ways that can be highly annoying and may elicit homophobia.
So as a gay man I must say that gays are not always blameless, and can lack guidance and maturity.

However, like in this video a whole bunch of celebrity people have made an issue which is now discussed in terms of "gay" and "homophobia", and it's actually exploitation either way.
For some people all publicity is good publicity, never mind the us vs. them hatred it again stirs up.
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posted on Jun, 16 2012 @ 01:44 AM
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Originally posted by dayve

Originally posted by Frankenchrist
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I have a theory about Will slapping that guy.

For years now, there have been rumors of Will and his wife being gay.

If true, and if he was outted, to him that would end his carrer,(I dont think it would)

He knows this, Thats why he reacted the way he did. He wants nothing to do with homosexuality.




That made no sense at all.... You just made that rumor up cause your probably gay yourself and feel bad for the [SNIP] that got smacked.... He's lucky he didnt break his jaw


I didnt make that up. Google it.

I did not say that Will was gay. The rumors are out there, and he knows it.

Will gay rumor

and here

and here too


So no, I didnt just make this up.

And also remember, This is BEFORE he slapped that dude.


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